The behaviour of UK police officers.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ever-have-employed-wayne-couzens-report-finds

An official report has revealed new and damning failures by police who missed Wayne Couzens’ prolific sexual offending, leaving him armed with police powers which he used to kidnap and murder Sarah Everard.

The failures laid out in the report by Dame Elish Angiolini are worse than previously thought, and she concludes Couzens should never have been a police officer. She highlighted a series of chances to spot his danger to women and his unsuitability be an officer that were missed by repeated bungling in three forces.
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Angiolini: "Good police officers work alongside those who abuse their powers, behave inappropriately with their colleagues and do a disservice to the profession of policing,.."

How can they be considered "good police officers"? Their entire justification is to prevent such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers.
 
Darat said:
Angiolini: "Good police officers work alongside those who abuse their powers, behave inappropriately with their colleagues and do a disservice to the profession of policing,.."

How can they be considered "good police officers"? Their entire justification is to prevent such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers.
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I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.

Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
 
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I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.

Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
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Yeah. My brother was a Police Custody Officer in Scotland. He was in a dead end carer job and a cop persuaded him to take the job as they needed good guys in the force. Later he saw that same cop joining others shoving around a confused kid with obvious autistic issues and we had a long talk about peer pressure and other issues.
 
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I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.

Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
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I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
 
bluesjnr said:
I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
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I have noticed that a lot of the YT videos are of a solo cop abusing their authority.
 
Nessie said:
I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.
Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
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From what you admit to above - I am sorry to say you were not what I would consider a "good" cop, and your behaviour is why the bad cops are still in police forces. You did not engage in criminal acts like your fellow officers but you knew they were, and you choose to turn a blind eye to it. As I said a good cop would be one who would be concerned about preventing such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers. You are unfortunately an example of how the "one" bad apple spoils the barrel. (I am not saying you were the bad apple.)
 
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I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
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I don't expect anyone to be an angel and policing is a high stress job, a job that unfortunately has you encountering day-in-day-out the worse our society offers, of course people will occasionally snap, even lash out, slip up, and of course people will take short cuts and so on, what is wrong is when those are allowed to become the norm. And as we have learned from the many horrifying reports about our police forces over the last few decades, they are the norm not the exceptions. Police officers have to be able to police themselves - and I don't mean with a department that looks into police complaints, corruption - I mean the day to day stuff. And that is always very hard to do, and sadly it appears that it is beyond the capability of the police because even those that don't misbehave themselves allow others to do so.
 
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I don't expect anyone to be an angel and policing is a high stress job, a job that unfortunately has you encountering day-in-day-out the worse our society offers, of course people will occasionally snap, even lash out, slip up, and of course people will take short cuts and so on, what is wrong is when those are allowed to become the norm. And as we have learned from the many horrifying reports about our police forces over the last few decades, they are the norm not the exceptions. Police officers have to be able to police themselves - and I don't mean with a department that looks into police complaints, corruption - I mean the day to day stuff. And that is always very hard to do, and sadly it appears that it is beyond the capability of the police because even those that don't misbehave themselves allow others to do so.
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It's not that it's beyond the capability it's because it's actively encouraged. They are a gang of ego driven tyrants who have completely lost the trust of the public. As I've said before there is no situation, and I mean none whatsoever, that I would reach out to the police for assistance with.

Look out for those wearing the, "thin blue Line", badge. This item has been banned by Commissioner Mark Rowley yet officers proudly flout this ruling.

Sir Mark said that in the US, the equivalent badge to the thin blue line one "has ended up being both a policing symbol and is being used by some hard-right groups".
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A gang.
 
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I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
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The worst I saw, was angry cops who had been assaulted dishing out some summary justice by being very rough with prisoners, some very awkward "banter" with female cops and staff and false arrests that were often more from the cop's lack of understanding of the law, than any malice.
 
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From what you admit to above - I am sorry to say you were not what I would consider a "good" cop, and your behaviour is why the bad cops are still in police forces. You did not engage in criminal acts like your fellow officers but you knew they were, and you choose to turn a blind eye to it. As I said a good cop would be one who would be concerned about preventing such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers. You are unfortunately an example of how the "one" bad apple spoils the barrel. (I am not saying you were the bad apple.)
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I am not turning a blind eye, when all I had was that I suspected others were up to no good. In a number of those situations, I know that cops more senior to me did take action, the worst being a cop suspected of robberies and housebreakings and another who was stalking a female cop. I had zero knowledge of what those cops, who I had worked with, were up to till it was being dealt with. I had been totally excluded.

I stopped a cop from fitting up another cop who he had fallen out with. I stopped a group of cops, off duty, from fitting up a local criminal who we saw in the pub. I would side with female cops when the banter was OTT. I stopped various charges and arrests because of a lack of evidence, which was very difficult, because senior management were constantly pressuring us to meet targets.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
 
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...because even those that don't misbehave themselves allow others to do so.
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I was lucky to have never been on a rogue shift, or department, where the bad cops ruled the roost. Any good cop who finds themselves in that situation, where they are being manipulated and pressured to join in, knows that to act, is career ending. Indeed, they may face being setup and driven out the job, ruining their entire future. Their least worst option is often to get out, either a transfer or leave the job entirely. To what extent are they allowing anything?

The cops who really do allow the bad cops, are those in management and Professional Standards. They do have the power to act and they are the worst at turning a blind eye. They are the ones who think coverups are justified to protect the reputation of the job. They recommend or authorise NDAs to hide misconduct. They transfer, rather than act to dismiss bad cops.

Save your contempt for them, rather than the cops who face ruin if they try to act.
 
A Met Sgt gets into bother because he advises someone "openly Jewish" that they cannot walk into and against a pro-Palestinian parade.

https://news.sky.com/story/met-poli...icing-minister-over-antisemitism-row-13120702

The majority of marches I worked at had a potential for conflict between Roman Catholics and Protestants. If anyone, not just someone who was openly from the other side, tried to enter and walk against the march, they would be at minimum removed and even arrested.
 
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