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Old 1st February 2023, 01:58 PM   #521
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Actually, he is in trouble with the New York State Election Commision..and it;s them he will be talking to.
That's one. But campaign finance violations are federal crimes. That's what he really has to be afraid of.
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Old 1st February 2023, 02:07 PM   #522
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That's one. But campaign finance violations are federal crimes. That's what he really has to be afraid of.
Does he, though? They seem pretty toothless to me. He might face a fine, his campaign manager might even face jail time, but I'm not aware of any politician who has faced real consequences for campaign finance violations.
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Old 1st February 2023, 02:24 PM   #523
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
Does he, though? They seem pretty toothless to me. He might face a fine, his campaign manager might even face jail time, but I'm not aware of any politician who has faced real consequences for campaign finance violations.
Here one who went to jail. A Republican :

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LISA WILSON-FOLEY, 55, of Simsbury, was sentenced today by U.S. District Judge Janet Bond Arterton in New Haven for violating federal campaign finance laws. Judge Arterton ordered WILSON-FOLEY to serve five months of imprisonment, followed by one year of probation, the first five months of which WILSON-FOLEY must serve in home confinement with electronic monitoring. WILSON-FOLEY also was ordered to pay a fine of $20,000, as well as the cost of her incarceration and electronic monitoring.

“While seeking election to the U.S. House of Representatives, Lisa Wilson-Foley conspired to hide from the electorate payments made to a shadow operative hired to assist her campaign both quietly and on the radio,” stated First Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael J. Gustafson. “It is troubling that she believed that there was nothing wrong with this criminal arrangement and it is equally disturbing that after pleading guilty, she chose to minimize her role in the scheme. Public officials, and candidates for public office, must be held accountable for criminal behavior. Hopefully, awareness that such conduct can result in jail will encourage other candidates and campaign workers to follow the law. I thank the U.S. Postal Inspectors for meticulously investigating this case in an effort to preserve fair and open elections.”
Here's Wikipedia link to several more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...nce_violations
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Old 1st February 2023, 02:28 PM   #524
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Dinesh D'Souza was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years' probation, and a $30,000 fine. Trump pardoned him. Again:

Dems are certainly not all innocent either:

Jesse Jackson Jr. "On February 8, 2013, Jackson admitted to violating federal campaign law by using campaign funds to make personal purchases.[4] Jackson pleaded guilty on February 20, 2013, to one count of wire and mail fraud.[5] On August 14, 2013, he was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison.[6][7] Jackson was released from prison on March 26, 2015." (Wikipedia)
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Old 1st February 2023, 02:50 PM   #525
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That's one. But campaign finance violations are federal crimes. That's what he really has to be afraid of.
I think the Feds have decided to let the New York commision take the lead in this case.
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Old 1st February 2023, 02:52 PM   #526
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Dinesh D'Souza was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years' probation, and a $30,000 fine. Trump pardoned him. Again:

Dems are certainly not all innocent either:

Jesse Jackson Jr. "On February 8, 2013, Jackson admitted to violating federal campaign law by using campaign funds to make personal purchases.[4] Jackson pleaded guilty on February 20, 2013, to one count of wire and mail fraud.[5] On August 14, 2013, he was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison.[6][7] Jackson was released from prison on March 26, 2015." (Wikipedia)
Trump was smart enough to include fine print in his donation forms that amount to he could do whatever the hell he wanted with the money.
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Old 1st February 2023, 04:16 PM   #527
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Speaking of Jesse Jackson Jr., according to his lawyer his job gave him bi-polar disorder and he's getting workers comp!

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...222-story.html
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WASHINGTON — Records from former U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.'s divorce case show how he has been able to collect hefty benefit checks from the federal government after serving time in prison for looting hundreds of thousands of dollars from his campaign fund.

Jackson, 51, receives about $138,400 a year — more than he made as a freshman congressman in 1995. Most of that — about $100,000 — is workers' compensation and tax-free, according to Chicago attorney Barry Schatz, who is representing Jackson in his divorce proceeding.

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Schatz couldn't explain how the former congressman's job had caused his bipolar disorder and depression. "I can't give you an explanation as to how and why," he said. "I can tell you that medical experts have diagnosed him, and as a result of the diagnosis, he is entitled to disability payments.

"If someone had a choice whether they wanted to be bipolar or not, I don't know of anybody that would want to choose to be bipolar, no matter what they were paid," he said.

Uh huh. I had workers comp before and I can tell you it doesn't work this way for most people! The guy is a thief yet he's collecting a hefty $100,000 check on my dime. **** you.

I wonder how Leland Ye (D) is doing? Cali state senator who got busted running guns for the Chinese mob. This was a state senator who ran on an anti-gun platform. Talk about a hypocrite.

In 2015, Yee pleaded guilty to felony racketeering charges for money laundering, political corruption, arms trafficking, and bribery.


So what has MTG done again? Yes she's a slimeball but she hasn't trafficked in weapons that we know of. The Republican party is full of bozos. Any gun runners? I wouldn't doubt it but I'm trying to make a simple point.

We have bad guys too, really bad. Let us not forget that all of these ******* are politicians and there are enough sneaky liars to go around on both sides.

Yes, the Republicans are disgusting as a whole and have been for quite some time, but there is plenty of corruption to go around.

None of these people are angels. Power corrupts. No, I do not think Biden is corrupt but he is as capable of lying to us as all the rest. He's a politician after all.

My default position must be that none of these people are good, just some are a lot worse than the rest. If they prove me wrong, awesome!

This is why I got on Biden for the documents they found. We automatically assume it was a blunder, and there is no reason to doubt that as of now. But my default outlook cannot automatically be that my guy is honest and the other guy is bad. I have to assume they are all bad until it is shown they are not. It's safer that way I think.

Politicians lie. All of them. Rant over
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Old 1st February 2023, 05:01 PM   #528
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
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This is why I got on Biden for the documents they found. We automatically assume it was a blunder, and there is no reason to doubt that as of now. But my default outlook cannot automatically be that my guy is honest and the other guy is bad. I have to assume they are all bad until it is shown they are not. It's safer that way I think.
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The difference here is that Trump insisted he had a right to keep hundreds of classified documents, even after the National Archives asked and then demanded that they be returned for over a year and even after the NA obtained a subpoena. Trump's lawyers even falsely claimed that all documents had been returned. Biden's lawyers, on the other hand, found classified documents while they were cleaning out an office and immediately called the authorities. Nobody was looking for them. Biden has cooperated completely with searches. No subpoenas or warrants or raids were necessary.

See the difference?
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The difference here is that Trump insisted he had a right to keep hundreds of classified documents, even after the National Archives asked and then demanded that they be returned for over a year and even after the NA obtained a subpoena. Trump's lawyers even falsely claimed that all documents had been returned. Biden's lawyers, on the other hand, found classified documents while they were cleaning out an office and immediately called the authorities. Nobody was looking for them. Biden has cooperated completely with searches. No subpoenas or warrants or raids were necessary.

See the difference?

I know all that no need to rehash.

Let's just say I'm trying not to automatically give benefit of the doubt to anyone as I think that is the best practice.

I am confident that Biden wasn't being sneaky and thought so from the start. But I am 100% fine with investigating to the fullest, within reason. No man is more important than this country.

And my main complaint was that it would make it "harder" to go after Trump as I already demonstrated in the other thread.

How many more committees will Republicans run now? "Better impeach Biden more than once!"

It's all bullcrap but it still makes things more difficult. That has been my point all along.

Anyways, I just read a CNN article about the guy who Santos ripped off...the dog owner.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/polit...dme/index.html

I'm gonna repeat my prediction that inappropriate behavior with children or child porn possession claims will be made against Santos. I think I gave it a year? He just creeps me out, I have nothing else to go on really. I mean look at him!

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I don't think anyone here has claimed or believes that there aren't bad apples among Dems, too. Look at Jesse Jackson, Jr. and Yee who were pointed out. But I'm still trying to find one Dem who claims our elections are rigged, tried to overturn an election through illegal means, and who thinks the J6 insurrectionists are 'patriots'.
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Old 1st February 2023, 06:03 PM   #531
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See the difference?
Apparently and sadly the news media is having a hard time seeing it.

Too much bothsidesisms and who cares as long as it sound like a scandal.
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The Justice Department has expanded their probe of Rep. George Santos to include the case of a disabled veteran whose service dog needed life-saving surgery in 2016.
FBI investigating George Santos' role in dying dog GoFundMe scheme (MSNBC on YouTube, Feb 2, 2023)
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Good. I have a feeling that Santos will be spending some time in jail before too awfully long.
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that's what everyone said about Trump since I was 5
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Another day, another Santos story. Talking Points Memo has a story up about the lawyer George Santos has hired to represent him in Brazil.

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...As we learned way back at the beginning of the Santos saga, he remained a wanted man in Brazil for check fraud he committed back in 2008. After he became an international celebrity in December, Brazilian authorities decided to reinitiate the case which had stalled when they couldn’t locate him. After the case was reopened Santos hired a Brazilian lawyer to represent him in the revived case. Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised, since it’s George Santos, that he managed to find a lawyer who’s always a convicted murderer. In fact, a convicted contract killer.

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The timeline goes like this: Vasconcelos was arrested shortly after the murder in December 2004 and incarcerated while awaiting trial. He was convicted in 2007 and sentenced to 18 years in prison but was then released into a halfway house and supervised release in 2009. He was then able to enroll in law school during his supervised release on his murder conviction. I spoke to a knowledgable observer of the Brazilian legal system who told me it was very hard to explain Vasconcelos’s quick release from custody and entry into law school without some corrupt machinations in the background.

The most interesting part of the story is how Santos managed to end up with this lawyer. There’s no clear or good explanation. The Folha reporter couldn’t find any record of Vasconcelos being connected with any law firm or listed anywhere as a lawyer. He’s not findable. So how did Santos find him? Santos has been busy for the last month and he hasn’t been able to travel to Brazil to retain counsel. So how did he manage to come up with Vasconcelos? According to Vasoncelos, it was because of his outstanding trial record and a personal recommendation...
Paywalled unfortunately, and the original article it is based on is in Portuguese. I will post something better if I find it before anyone else.
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that's what everyone said about Trump since I was 5
Santos isn’t rich.
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Santos isn’t rich.
Neither is Matt Gaetz. Maybe one day we'll find out what kind of crime it takes to overcome the activation energy of arresting a sitting congressman, but if child sex trafficking doesn't do it I doubt a little fraud will see justice either.
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Santos isn’t rich.
He's the new rich. Somehow within the last 2 years a fair amount of money appeared in his bank accounts. Much more than he could have earned, enough so that he had $700,000 to "lend" to his own campaign.
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Ah, there is a more convenient version of the story...

George Santos Reportedly Hires Lawyer Convicted of Brazilian Gang Killing
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Santos' latest bid for attention: Wearing an assault rifle pin on the floor of the House. Rep. Anna Luna of Florida also wore one. This led a California Congress member, Jimmy Gomez (D), to ask: "Where are these assault weapon pins coming from? Who is passing these out?"

Good questions but I guess we shouldn't expect any answers. Luna was endorsed by the Gun Owners of America group and is on record as wanting to roll back restrictions on firearms. Gun Owners of America Proudly Endorses Anna Paulina Luna
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Santos' latest bid for attention: Wearing an assault rifle pin on the floor of the House. Rep. Anna Luna of Florida also wore one. This led a California Congress member, Jimmy Gomez (D), to ask: "Where are these assault weapon pins coming from? Who is passing these out?"

Good questions but I guess we shouldn't expect any answers. Luna was endorsed by the Gun Owners of America group and is on record as wanting to roll back restrictions on firearms. Gun Owners of America Proudly Endorses Anna Paulina Luna
That's disgusting. Just disgusting. This love affair with guns has got to stop.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Santos' latest bid for attention: Wearing an assault rifle pin on the floor of the House. Rep. Anna Luna of Florida also wore one. This led a California Congress member, Jimmy Gomez (D), to ask: "Where are these assault weapon pins coming from? Who is passing these out?"

Good questions but I guess we shouldn't expect any answers. Luna was endorsed by the Gun Owners of America group and is on record as wanting to roll back restrictions on firearms. Gun Owners of America Proudly Endorses Anna Paulina Luna
Seems to be from Andrew Clyde, Rep. from Georgia, who is promoting protection for the 2nd amendment.
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Maybe someone should remind moron Clyde that there's another Constitutional 'freedom' people have: the right to life.

I'm sure the families of all the people, including children, who were killed by an AR-15 or similar assault weapon in Las Vegas, Orlando, Sandy Hook Elementary School, Sutherland Springs, El Paso, Robb Elementary School, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Aurora, and Dayton would love one of those pins.
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The guy owes thousands in unpaid parking tickets, and there's this:

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The New York Post reported in January that a Nissan Rogue driven frequently by Santos in recent months had been issued speeding tickets at least five times since he was elected on Nov. 8, "including four times in school zones."

This guy is no Trump, and Gaetz, well the Republicans kept him under the radar somehow. Again, ask a Republican voter who Matt Gaetz is and get a blank stare. "He did what? Nah....lies".

This Santos turd is in the news every day. Everyone knows about him. Will it make a difference? We all know it should. The campaign finance stuff could be pretty bad.

If the Republicans were...uh LOL...well if they were "smart" at all they'd let him hang himself. If I were in charge I'd bury the ******* for the good press, but obviously the GOP don't care about optics.

"School zones". Sure spends a lot of time speeding through them. I'm telling ya it's gonna come out!

I went to check Fox News to see if they mention Santos and the ad blocker kept me from seeing, I'm fine with that.

Went to National Review and did a page search for "Santos" and he is nowhere on the front page. They have at least three headlines for Hunter Biden though.

Here's a funny headline: "Can Ron DeSantis Save Higher Ed?" LOL. these people really believe this stuff, my gawd.

TOP STORY!: "Biden's Classified-Documents Scandal Will Save Trump From His"

Next top story: Biden and the student loan thing = bad! Then anti-electric vehicles. No wonder Republicans are so ******* stupid (sorry but the evidence is clear), and this isn't even Fox.

Hey Walker was right! China bad air brought us a spy balloon!

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I went to check Fox News to see if they mention Santos and the ad blocker kept me from seeing, I'm fine with that.
Let's see what we got on the front page. Biden failed handling of China spy balloon. Elon Muck is awesome. Democrats are socialist commies. Need to investigate Biden over failure of handling China spy balloon. American patriot high school swimmer disqualified for American flag patch presumably by crazy libtard snowflake socialist commies. Biden's failing failed failure China spy balloon.

Nope. No mention of Santos. Didn't even make the list over "Steve Doocy shares Kansas restaurant's cinnamon roll pancakes".
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Santos told donors that he had been a producer on the disastrous Spider-Man musical. The lead producer confirmed that Santos had no connection to the show. His resume grows as fast as his nose.
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
He's the new rich. Somehow within the last 2 years a fair amount of money appeared in his bank accounts. Much more than he could have earned, enough so that he had $700,000 to "lend" to his own campaign.
The same ultimate source as was for the money given to the DUP to run pro-brexit ads in England only newspapers, most probably. The same source that is currently under sanction.
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A prospective staffer in the D.C. office of Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) said Saturday that he was sexually harassed by the embattled congressman, who is facing calls to resign from both sides of the aisle after admitting to fabricating details about his biography.

Derek Myers made the allegation in a series of posts on Twitter, which included a complaint he said he filed with the Office of Congressional Ethics. A spokeswoman for Rep. Susan Wild (D-Pa.), the ranking Democrat on the House Ethics Committee, confirmed that the congresswoman received the complaint.
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That wasn't George. It was Kitara Ravache!
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Santos isn’t rich.
Nor does he hold the fate of the GOP in his hands.

Santos is worth a house vote so the GOP will be more likely to cut him loose than Trump who could with a flick of the wrist render the GOP inviable by starting a third party and telling his supporters to never support the GOP.
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Nor does he hold the fate of the GOP in his hands.

Santos is worth a house vote so the GOP will be more likely to cut him loose than Trump who could with a flick of the wrist render the GOP inviable by starting a third party and telling his supporters to never support the GOP.
(aside) Wish he would just do that... (/aside)
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Old 6th February 2023, 04:21 PM   #552
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Santos told donors that he had been a producer on the disastrous Spider-Man musical. The lead producer confirmed that Santos had no connection to the show. His resume grows as fast as his nose.
He will shortly be in Baron Munchausen territory.
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I still think Santos will end up resigning as part of a plea deal.
But the GOP embracing him is getting more and more embarassing by the moment.
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The more I hear about this guy the more I think he's Roger the alien from American Dad.
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Old 6th February 2023, 10:57 PM   #555
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
He will shortly be in Baron Munchausen territory.
What else could he do to enhance his reputation as a liar?

Declare that he is actually an Immortal and was once the prophet Mohammad.

That he hasn't told any lies at all and its all the evil medias fault.

He is the Devil himself making it plainly obvious that he can deceive anyone.

He is world's great spy

He is actually Sacha Baron Cohen in his greatest role so far!
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You know what the single most depressing thing about this fiasco is? The absolute bottom line worst thing about Santos?

He's not the worst elected Republican! Not even close!

Those are just the ones elected at federal level! There's even more loons at state level.
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
You know what the single most depressing thing about this fiasco is? The absolute bottom line worst thing about Santos?

He's not the worst elected Republican! Not even close!

Those are just the ones elected at federal level! There's even more loons at state level.
There's a point at which we need to accept that it's a feature, not a bug.
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Oh absolutely. There are still sensible Republicans, but they're either being ignored, shouted down or handing their spines in to kowtow to the lunatics.
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Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan View Post
Oh absolutely. There are still sensible Republicans, but they're either being ignored, shouted down or handing their spines in to kowtow to the lunatics.
If given that they are still Republicans I'm not sure the word "sensible" is appropriate. Unless by that we mean it is "sensible" in the sense that they like what the loons are doing and just see them as embarrassing as a matter of taste.
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There's a point at which we need to accept that it's a feature, not a bug.

That's what I've been saying the whole time:
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it's not unconstitutional for candidates to tell the truth about their backgrounds. Much the same way that there is nothing unconstitutional about candidates lying about their backgrounds. There could have been, and yet there isn't. Which more than "suggests the right to lie to voters about ones background is an intended feature." So is the right to make decisions that are diametrically opposed to whatever candidates promised their constituents during their campaigns. It's in the nature of representative democracy. It's a feature, not a bug.

You all tend to read into constitutions an awful lot of good intentions that just aren't there and were never meant to be there.
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