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18th October 2005, 09:09 AM | #41 |
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There's an amusing column about Behe's testimony by Mike Argento.
Some more of Argento's columns are linked from the ACLUPA blog. |
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18th October 2005, 05:47 PM | #42 |
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Argh! I have become a transcript junky! I need my fix!
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...but it is mere methadone...I need my transcripts...
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19th October 2005, 06:43 AM | #47 |
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For deeper scientific insights into ID Creationism and the Dover case, try The Panda´s Thumb. Granted, the above column is fun to read, and these IDC clowns get all the ridicule they deserve.
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Could someone get a list of all these good links together so I can add them to the box on the forum homepage? - TIA
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19th October 2005, 08:13 AM | #49 |
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Witness says God isn't only possible designer
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I think the plaintiffs should call Hovind to the stand.
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I want to known on which day did God created Suzy, since she appears to be becoming intelligently designed into a hamster. And if YOU believe in Evolution instead of Jesus (and how in Chickworld could you believe in both?) you'll end up in hell. So thats almost everyone I've ever known, most of whom are Christians, in Hell. What a nice loving religion Chick has, the worship of the appeal to fear. |
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20th October 2005, 02:52 AM | #61 |
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From the New Scientist article (Mojo's link above) -
Talking about Behe's cross examination - "“You've got to admire the guy. It’s Daniel in the lion’s den,” says Robert Slade, a local retiree who has been attending the trial because he is interested in science. "But I can’t believe he teaches a college biology class."" Sorry, Mr. Slade, I just cannot admire Behe. |
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Well, it's a fine line between courage and stupidity, and I think I know which side Behe's on. Still, I think Mr. Slade's incredulity concerning Behe's academic chops is of more import to this case than his admiration of Behe's guts.
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Agreed. Personally I read into Mr. Slade's comments that possibly the only thing he admired about Behe was his guts.
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20th October 2005, 06:07 AM | #65 |
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Okay, I think I'm officially in "transcript withdrawl". These short articles aren't doing it for me anymore.
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20th October 2005, 06:23 AM | #66 |
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I'm not sure if I can admire Behe's guts. If he had them, he'd come up with a testable ID hypothesis and test it.
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"And this is the theory of intelligent design, which emerges from this end."
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A "creationist science" text book becomes an "intelligent design" textbook Dover trial transcripts (Not yet updated with days 7, 8 and 9) Audio analysis Mike Argento column Mike Argento column 2 New Scientist column Witness says God isn't only possible designer How's that? |
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Arrgah! I can't stand it when people try claiming that science and religious faith are compatible. They're nothing of the sort, which is precisely why it's inappropriate to teach religious doctrines in a science class.
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20th October 2005, 09:55 AM | #76 |
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I'm not a scientist, but I do look like one.
In glancing through Behe's testimony, nuch is made of the fact that biological structures are referred to as machines, and that this is not a metaphor, but a definition of the structure. Behe then says that because it is a machine, that means it's designed. If I toss a loose deck of cards into a corner, one or more of the cards may be propped against the wall. That propped card is an inclined plane, a simple machine. Would Behe's "inductive reasoning" lead him to believe that it was designed, or would he concede that a machine can be produced through random processes? The other point I'd like to make is about the "simple test" that neither side will do: take a bacteria with no flagellum and, over the course of a couple of years, apply selective pressures over 10,000 generations. If the bacteria develop flagella, that would, according to the article, "prove" evolution. To me, this a very poorly designed test that would prove nothing to either side. Outcome 1: No flagellum. ID: See? God/Designer did it. Evolutionist: What made us think we could apply just the right combination of selective pressures to produce the predetermined outcome? This is stupid! It proves nothing. Outcome 2: Flagellum. ID: See? God/Designer did it. Evolutionist: Wow! I did it! Man, I hope someone else is able to read my notes and replicate this sucker! |
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http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/new...10_18_2005.asp
please read the last paragraph carefully... This is really, really troubling. Frightening, even... science standing in the way of an education? |
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One thing that bothers me about all the legal wrangling is that logic goes out the window.
The "Watchmaker" bit about assuming a designer bothers me. If I see an inanimate mechanism, yes, I assume a designer. A Chevy small block canot reproduce, or we'd all be up to our ears in them. some things-An arch, for example, I can ascribe to natural processes-the Desert Southwest is full of the bloody things. But the anthropomorphization (Huh?) of watches and such by comparing them to living beings escapes me. Maybe I'm not logical enough? |
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I feel the same way about mousetraps. The most damning aspect of the mousetrap as a useful analogy is the fact that it requires a human (or a clever orangutan, perhaps) to set it and bait it in order for it to have any capability whatsoever for trapping mice. How can this be compared to a living thing?
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