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Old 31st October 2021, 11:48 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Drive offs from petrol stations is a regular call for the police, who have to give the driver the opportunity to return and pay. Being allowed to fill up before payment opens the door to mistakes (forgot wallet, I've done that), to insufficient funds and card rejected. It makes proving theft surprisingly hard.
I would think this would be seen as a poor use of police resources. If the cops refused to respond to such calls, the oil industry (it's not like they don't have any money) would have to upgrade their equipment. Pay-at-the-pump with a credit card or pay-before-you-pump with cash has been the norm in the U.S. for decades.
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Old 31st October 2021, 11:49 AM   #362
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Wait. Isn't the commemorative coin worth more than the face value? Wouldn't that be a good deal for the store? I would love to sell you $20 worth of anything you want in exchange for a $20 double eagle (which is currently worth around $1900). Is this really a police matter?
Most of these coins are just pretty coins, usually not worth very much more than their face value, plus of course to get that value someone would have to send the coin to their head office, they would then have to get it valued and sold etc.

The way to have got him would be to accept his coin as legal tender and then not given him any change. See the quote above by the Royal Mint.
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Old 31st October 2021, 02:50 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Wait. Isn't the commemorative coin worth more than the face value? Wouldn't that be a good deal for the store? I would love to sell you $20 worth of anything you want in exchange for a $20 double eagle (which is currently worth around $1900). Is this really a police matter?
Did you read my earlier post? If I recall correctly he's picking these up for around £60 on Ebay.
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Old 31st October 2021, 02:54 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
Did you read my earlier post? If I recall correctly he's picking these up for around £60 on Ebay.
Which doesn't make sense as they are legal tender and can be exchanged for £100.
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Old 31st October 2021, 03:04 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Which doesn't make sense as they are legal tender and can be exchanged for £100.
Perhaps the people selling them on ebay are either not aware of that, or have acquired them in such a way that means they are happy for a lower return and less attention from an official source?
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Old 31st October 2021, 03:20 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Perhaps the people selling them on ebay are either not aware of that, or have acquired them in such a way that means they are happy for a lower return and less attention from an official source?
Or they are hoping the auction will go over the face value?

Cheapest I can find the £100 Trafalgar Square commemorative silver coin on ebay is an auction with a starting price of £99 and some 'buy it nows' at around £120 to £140.
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Old 1st November 2021, 06:32 AM   #367
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Perhaps the people selling them on ebay are either not aware of that, or have acquired them in such a way that means they are happy for a lower return and less attention from an official source?
A quick google search would tell someone they can take it to the post office and get a £100 in a different legal tender.
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Old 1st November 2021, 07:11 AM   #368
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Most of these coins are just pretty coins, usually not worth very much more than their face value, plus of course to get that value someone would have to send the coin to their head office, they would then have to get it valued and sold etc.

The way to have got him would be to accept his coin as legal tender and then not given him any change. See the quote above by the Royal Mint.
Originally Posted by Darat View Post
A quick google search would tell someone they can take it to the post office and get a £100 in a different legal tender.
Well, maybe their first google search didn't find the right answer.
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Old 1st November 2021, 09:40 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Which doesn't make sense as they are legal tender and can be exchanged for £100.
Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Perhaps the people selling them on ebay are either not aware of that, or have acquired them in such a way that means they are happy for a lower return and less attention from an official source?
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Or they are hoping the auction will go over the face value?

Cheapest I can find the £100 Trafalgar Square commemorative silver coin on ebay is an auction with a starting price of £99 and some 'buy it nows' at around £120 to £140.
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A quick google search would tell someone they can take it to the post office and get a £100 in a different legal tender.
3.45 mark confirms my recollection is only out by around £13.50. You might find the whole video interesting as it contains his interrogation and he runs rings around a desperate officer who is clearly out of his depth.

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Damn video won't open here no matter what I try (maybe because my browser is in restricted mode) - go here to watch it.

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Old 2nd November 2021, 03:32 AM   #370
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Two Met police officers have admitted taking photos of the bodies of murdered sisters Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry at the crime scene and sending them via WhatsApp to other officers.

47 yo PC Deniz Jaffer and 33 yo PC Jamie Lewis pleaded guilty to misconduct in public office. Sentencing will take place at a later date.

CPS reveals PC Lewis edited one of the pictures by superimposing his own face onto the photograph with the victims in the background.

The judge told the officers it’s extremely they will face custodial sentences of some length.

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Old 2nd November 2021, 03:51 AM   #371
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
3.45 mark confirms my recollection is only out by around £13.50. You might find the whole video interesting as it contains his interrogation and he runs rings around a desperate officer who is clearly out of his depth.

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Damn video won't open here no matter what I try (maybe because my browser is in restricted mode) - go here to watch it.

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Shows police ineptitude but also that he is a dick and doesn't know the law as well as he thinks he does.
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Old 2nd November 2021, 06:20 AM   #372
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
...snip...he is a dick and doesn't know the law as well as he thinks he does.
You should watch his other videos, they will confirm your assessment.
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Old 4th November 2021, 11:27 AM   #373
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https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/04/polic...-day-15540812/

"A policeman who said he was so badly hurt in a crash he ‘couldn’t even lift a kettle’ has been jailed for defrauding his force of £150,000.
For more than two years, PC Matthew Littlefair, 36, claimed full pay and benefits while ‘putting on an act’ that he was too injured to work."

Despite evidence from his own phone that he did 10,000 steps a day, he still turned up at court in a wheelchair!
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Old 4th November 2021, 12:04 PM   #374
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Cleveland police and crime chief faces sexual assault investigation
Steve Turner to be investigated after referral to police watchdog over alleged conduct before assuming role

Steve Turner, who became Cleveland police and crime commissioner in May, is resisting pressure to resign after the revelation by the Mirror.
Turner, a Conservative, was already in the spotlight after he was named in parliament as having been cautioned some years ago for theft when he worked at a supermarket.

His job gives him oversight of Cleveland police, which in 2018 became the first English police force to be rated inadequate across all areas.
The police watchdog, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), has now begun an investigation into the allegation of a historical sexual offence. The investigation will be carried out by another force.

An IOPC spokesperson said: “Any allegation that a criminal offence may have been committed by a police and crime commissioner (PCC) must be referred by the appropriate authority to the IOPC to determine whether the matter should be investigated.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-investigation
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Old 10th November 2021, 03:08 PM   #375
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A FORMER Met Police sergeant is among eight people charged with bribery offences in connection with the licensing of business premises in Westminster.

The charges follow an investigation by the force’s "Line of Duty" Directorate of Professional Standards Anti-Corruption Command.

They were charged today (Wednesday, November 10) with conspiracy to commit bribery.

The charges centre around allegations of bribery to get certain door security firms working in nightclubs and strip clubs in the area.

https://www.essexnewsandinvestigatio...ster-licensing
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At least this story is on the same day;

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2021...ree-more-women

"Following a referral of evidence by Hertfordshire Constabulary, the CPS has now charged David Carrick with a total of 14 alleged offences against four women."

as this story;

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-11-24/...sisters-sacked

"Met officers who took photos of murdered Wembley sisters Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry sacked"

In the past, it is likely those officers would have got a warning and kept their jobs.
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Old 4th December 2021, 07:14 AM   #377
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Very little information as yet, but the head of Police Scotland's organised crime, counter terrorism and cyber crime unit has been suspended due to a "criminal allegation".

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/senior-...allegation?top

He will now be able to sit at home and earn £90k doing nothing, probably for the next few years, since such investigations are notoriously slow.
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The Met say in relation to the Downing St Christmas party that they don’t investigate crimes retrospectively.
That is literally the only way you can investigate crimes.
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The Met say in relation to the Downing St Christmas party that they don’t investigate crimes retrospectively.
That is literally the only way you can investigate crimes.
The Speaker needs to understand this new policing policy, he wants the police to investigate cocaine use in Parliament!
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Just read the report about the murders of 4 people, the police could have prevented 3 of those murders if they had shown any competency and the murderer was only stopped at death 4 by the sisters of one victim investigation.

Stephen Port: How Met failings contributed to the deaths of three men https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59576717

As ever no one was held responsible:
…… Seventeen police officers involved in the original response into the four deaths were investigated by the police watchdog.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct did not refer any of them for misconduct proceedings. Seven of the officers have since been promoted….
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Old 11th December 2021, 04:42 PM   #381
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There was a long report on this on Radio 4 PM in the week.

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The Met is not fit for purpose
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Neither is West Mercia. The BBC report that a year after the killing of the footballer Dalian Atkinson by a police officer who tasered and kicked him, West Mercia have apologised, with the Chief Constable saying there was an "obligation" for her to "acknowledge and accept" his human rights were breached.

Would anyone accept an apology that was a year later and clearly only written by a lawyer out of "obligation"?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59798500
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Merseyside

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...droidApp_Other
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A police officer took selfies at a murder scene where a teenager had been stabbed to death, and sent “appalling” racist, homophobic and offensive images via WhatsApp, the Guardian has learned.

PC Ryan Connolly from the Merseyside force committed a litany of disciplinary offences over a six-year period while a serving officer, a tribunal has decided.

Also associated with known criminals
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I think you meant “His fellow police officers.”
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Last sentence of the article:
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He is barred for life from rejoining the service.
In the USofA, other departments would competing to offer him a job.
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I think you meant “His fellow police officers.”
Ouch!
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Really WTAF is going on with police selection procedures? Let alone the sort of checks when moving between jobs which the NHS routinely uses (I nearly lost a job offer because of the police playing silly buggers over DBS stuff when I moved from Teesside to Northumberland, as apparently Wales confuses Durham police and Northumberland police don't understand Bristol postcodes, which raises other issues about police recruitment)?

And then there is the apparent lack of any adequate supervision which would surely pick up the dodgy action and behaviours?

All these cases which hit the national meejah are only the tip of the proverbial: our local meejah has all manner of stories about dodgy dibbles which rarely go national.
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Last sentence of the article:

In the USofA, other departments would competing to offer him a job.
It's easier to keep track of who's joining the 48 police forces in the UK than the nearly 18,000 in the US.
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The interesting thing is Canada has a similar system: most cities run their own police department. The RCMP provides service to smaller communities.

The training isn't anywhere near the standards in this thread. Here in Winnipeg one can apply at age 18 with a high school education, although preference is given to people who have a post-secondary education and a "demonstrated commitment to the community through volunteer experience." There is a fitness test and a psychological assessment (the cynic in me suggests it's to weed out the nice guys.) If accepted, the trainee gets 20 weeks of classroom education, 16 weeks of field training, and a two year probationary role.

The pay is relatively generous by Winnipeg standards. The starting salary is more than what I made after 35 years as an I/T professional (mind you, I wasn't particularly aggressive about my pay; I just wanted enough to live comfortably and build a retirement fund.)
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A commitment to give Starlight Tours to the indigenous community, free of charge?
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A commitment to give Starlight Tours to the indigenous community, free of charge?
Oh yes. There are issues with policing in many countries.
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Just read the report about the murders of 4 people, the police could have prevented 3 of those murders if they had shown any competency and the murderer was only stopped at death 4 by the sisters of one victim investigation.

Stephen Port: How Met failings contributed to the deaths of three men https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59576717

As ever no one was held responsible:
…… Seventeen police officers involved in the original response into the four deaths were investigated by the police watchdog.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct did not refer any of them for misconduct proceedings. Seven of the officers have since been promoted….
Now a TV series; I was shocked to realise how recent the case was, I was assuming it was a historical one, not from six years ago.

The police are getting a bit of a kicking on TV this week, we also have Anne, a dramatisation of one woman's fight for justice following the death of her son at Hillsborough.
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Another policeman in court.

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A police officer has appeared in court accused of having inappropriate relationships with multiple women.

PC Oliver Perry-Smith, of Thames Valley Police and based in west Berkshire, was charged with misconduct in public office after a probe by the Independent Office for Police Conduct.

He is accused of three misconduct charges and two of computer misuse.

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PC Perry-Smith allegedly engaged or attempted to engage in sexual relationships with female members of the public while on duty and wearing uniform over more than five years from September 2014.
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2013 - Female Prof from the University of Nottingham is arrested during a stop and search. She refuses to cooperate and is strip searched, some of her clothing cut off and derogatory remarks made about her hygiene.
2018 - Sgt in charge cleared by a disciplinary panel. The cops who make derogatory remarks are not dealt with at all.
2022 - She receives apology and compensation after obtaining CCTV footage the Met apparently had the entire time.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...atory-language
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She's just been interviewed on BBC radio 4's Women's Hour. It's very much worth listening to. Not available to download yet but watch this space.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0013rb0
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Old 27th January 2022, 08:43 PM   #397
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PC Perry-Smith allegedly engaged or attempted to engage in sexual relationships with female members of the public while on duty and wearing uniform over more than five years from September 2014.
I thought these were separate charges until the fourth time I reread it
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PC Perry-Smith allegedly engaged or attempted to engage in sexual relationships with female members of the public while on duty and wearing uniform over more than five years from September 2014.
You'd think he could at least change his underwear now and then.
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I wish I was surprised

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...droidApp_Other
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And to back up the report JimBob linked to - https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...yny-in-the-met - a first hand account from a woman who was a Met PC for 11 years.
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