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Old 26th July 2023, 03:53 PM   #201
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I predict as Kennedy continues on he'll become wilder and wilder - I think he's holding back
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Old 26th July 2023, 03:55 PM   #202
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I predict as Kennedy continues on he'll become wilder and wilder - I think he's holding back
This would not surprise me one bit. Trump and DeSantis have done exactly that.
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Old 26th July 2023, 06:19 PM   #203
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I predict as Kennedy continues on he'll become wilder and wilder - I think he's holding back
It's just like drug addiction, you need to keep taking more.
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Old 27th July 2023, 05:25 AM   #204
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I predict as Kennedy continues on he'll become wilder and wilder - I think he's holding back
I don't think he's really getting any crazier, it's just that he's never had this high of profile. He's been saying nutty stuff for years, but until now it's never had much traction outside the woo-woo community.

The coverage is sprinting to catch up with his body of work, and as time goes on the public learns more and more about his nutso positions, but I don't think he's changing much.
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Old 29th July 2023, 08:10 AM   #205
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I don't think he's really getting any crazier, it's just that he's never had this high of profile. He's been saying nutty stuff for years, but until now it's never had much traction outside the woo-woo community.

That's still the case. He still doesn't have traction outside the woo community. How could he? The new thing is that a majority of GOP members and voters have joined the woos.
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(They don't appear to think of JFK Jr. as a Democrat.)
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Old 30th July 2023, 04:49 AM   #206
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Junior tweeted about his application to get Secret Service security and whined about not getting it. Even thought it’s way too early in the election for security to be provided.

The tweet would have just been whining, but in listing number of days the numbers 14 and 88 were listed prominently. Yeah….
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Old 30th July 2023, 08:06 AM   #207
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Prediction. Trump will be elected President and this ******** will be his VP. It's bi-partisan doncha know.
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Old 30th July 2023, 08:31 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
The tweet would have just been whining, but in listing number of days the numbers 14 and 88 were listed prominently. Yeah….
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
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Old 30th July 2023, 08:34 AM   #209
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I can't wait for these anti-vax terrorists to drop dead. **** em all.
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Old 30th July 2023, 12:39 PM   #210
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Originally Posted by Ron Obvious View Post
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
RFK Jr.: “My enemies are watching everything that I say. …So I am very, very careful that any public statement that I make is sourced.”

But somehow that slipped by?
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Old 30th July 2023, 01:12 PM   #211
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
RFK Jr.: “My enemies are watching everything that I say. …So I am very, very careful that any public statement that I make is sourced.”

But somehow that slipped by?
Rather a revealing word to use. Not "those who disagree with me" but "my enemies".
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Junior tweeted about his application to get Secret Service security and whined about not getting it. Even thought it’s way too early in the election for security to be provided.

The tweet would have just been whining, but in listing number of days the numbers 14 and 88 were listed prominently. Yeah….
Clue me in. What's meant to be significant about 14 and 88?
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Old 30th July 2023, 04:45 PM   #213
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88 stands for HH, or Heil Hitler. H being the 8th letter of the alphabet. Can't remember off the top of my head why 14 is significant but its along the same lines.
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Old 30th July 2023, 06:14 PM   #214
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88 stands for HH, or Heil Hitler. H being the 8th letter of the alphabet. Can't remember off the top of my head why 14 is significant but its along the same lines.
idk either but conspiracy nuts are really into numbers and symbology, which is why you know it's not a coincidence
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Old 30th July 2023, 06:21 PM   #215
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The 14 words of white supremacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

There is evidence that the number in question was changed to 88 from the actual figure of 57. That cigar is looking like a phallic symbol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajority...t=2&utm_term=1
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Wow. Trying to hide it by not trying to hide it.
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Old 30th July 2023, 10:50 PM   #217
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Junior tweeted about his application to get Secret Service security and whined about not getting it. Even thought it’s way too early in the election for security to be provided.

The tweet would have just been whining, but in listing number of days the numbers 14 and 88 were listed prominently. Yeah….

There are other numbers in the same tweet. And relevant information has been added about his complaint.

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Since the assassination of my father in 1968, candidates for president are provided Secret Service protection. But not me.

Typical turnaround time for pro forma protection requests from presidential candidates is 14-days. After 88-days of no response and after several follow-ups by our campaign, the Biden Administration just denied our request. Secretary Mayorkas: "I have determined that Secret Service protection for Robert F Kennedy Jr is not warranted at this time."
Our campaign's request included a 67-page report from the world's leading protection firm, detailing unique and well established security and safety risks aside from commonplace death threats.

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Secret Service protection is only afforded to "major candidates" within a period of 120 days from the general election.

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/...ial%20election.

It is, at time of writing, it is 465 days until the general election, putting this request far out of range of the law.
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I don't know why he thinks 14 days and 88 days should be hyphenated.
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Old 1st August 2023, 09:24 AM   #218
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
RFK Jr.: “My enemies are watching everything that I say. …So I am very, very careful that any public statement that I make is sourced.”

But somehow that slipped by?
Is that spelled correctly? Or should it be sauced?
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Old 4th August 2023, 01:15 PM   #219
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The 14 words of white supremacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

There is evidence that the number in question was changed to 88 from the actual figure of 57. That cigar is looking like a phallic symbol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajority...t=2&utm_term=1
It always reminds me of Herbie Brennans' gamebooks.
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
RFK Jr.: “My enemies are watching everything that I say. …So I am very, very careful that any public statement that I make is sourced.”

But somehow that slipped by?
Unfortunately his sources are uniformly loons and conspiracy theorists.
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Meet the Misfits Working to Elect RFK Jr.

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Kennedy’s campaign isn’t just uniting the fringes of the left and right—it’s enriching them, too.

Robert F. Kennedy’s quixotic, conspiracy-fueled bid for the Democratic nomination has ladled out tens of thousands of dollars on a clutch of failed GOP candidates, several high-profile anti-vaxxers, a “homeless” leftist, a Cambridge Analytica vet—and some good old-fashioned nepotism.

With ousted congressman and failed Ohio gubernatorial candidate Dennis Kucinich at the helm, the campaign has brought aboard a crew of oddballs with backgrounds in everything from granola pop spirituality to data harvesting and cryptocurrency, from leftist podcasting to Republican and even Libertarian Party politics.

And, of course, the campaign has also drawn staff from the extended Kennedy family and his accomplices in the anti-vaccine movement.

“I don’t judge people. Apparently you do,” Kucinich told The Daily Beast when questioned about the backgrounds and qualifications of the campaign’s staffers. “This is a campaign of people who love America, who want to save America from this situation that we’re in. If The Daily Beast thinks it’s going to smear them, it’s got another thing coming, I can tell you that.”

Here’s a round-up of the most unexpected—and unsurprising—figures on the receiving end of disbursements from the Kennedy campaign.
You can read the names of the motley crew of scumbags and how much they're getting paid.
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Meet the Misfits Working to Elect RFK Jr.



You can read the names of the motley crew of scumbags and how much they're getting paid.
Unfortunately I can't, because it's paywalled.
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Unfortunately I can't, because it's paywalled.
Here are a few of them to get an idea of the quality of those he's hired:

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For Kennedy’s daughter-in-law, ex-CIA officer Amaryllis Fox Kennedy, RFK Jr’s operation has placed that rate at $21,263.27 in just the month of June. An article in Time asserted Fox Kennedy, wedded to the contender’s namesake son, has been running the campaign’s digital strategy. Fox did not respond to questions about her credentials for this role, or what kind of competitive interview and vetting process she underwent to obtain it.
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Other outlets have reported that Eisenstein is working as an adviser to the campaign on messaging. But none yet has reported the price: $44,253.45 paid so far to the woo-woo guru’s company More Beautiful World LLC, despite Eisenstein’s longtime advocacy of a “gift economy.”
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Kennedy doled out $10,000 in June for “digital consulting” from a firm called Achayot Partners, which according to its anonymous one-page website “provides professional speaking and training on privacy, data protection and the use of blockchain technology.”

Materials filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission show Achayot Partners’ CEO and 50 percent owner is Brittany Kaiser, a former director at Cambridge Analytica, the 2016 Trump campaign vendor that harvested data from the social media profiles of millions of Americans. Kaiser has since reinvented herself as a whistleblower and online privacy advocate—the other half of Achayot Partners belongs to her sister Natalie, with whom Kaiser co-founded the nonprofit Own Your Own Data. Brittany has also developed an interest in cryptocurrency, which she’s reportedly used to funnel money to both WikiLeaks and Ukraine. Additionally, she now chairs a Bitcoin mining operation that claims to exclusively utilize green energy.
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One of the foremost purveyors of debunked theories linking vaccines to autism, Bigtree isn’t a doctor—but as a producer he has worked with people playing them on TV (and, yes, he actually cites this as a credential). Kennedy so far awarded Bigtree, known for wearing a Star of David to compare public inoculation campaigns to the Holocaust and pushing disinfo about the measles vaccine in the middle of a deadly outbreak, $13,550 for “communications consulting.”
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And now he is reportedly considering a run as an independent.

Of course the real question is whether he would draw more votes from Trump than Biden, given his apparent popularity among GOP voters.
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And now he is reportedly considering a run as an independent.

Of course the real question is whether he would draw more votes from Trump than Biden, given his apparent popularity among GOP voters.
He can consider anything he likes. I doubt he can muster enough support to get on more than a couple state ballots.
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He can consider anything he likes. I doubt he can muster enough support to get on more than a couple state ballots.
Like Ralph Nader in 2000, he can siphon off just enough liberal votes to give Trump the Presidency.
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when it comes to siphoning votes, the only people excited about him are conservatives
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Like Ralph Nader in 2000, he can siphon off just enough liberal votes to give Trump the Presidency.
All he would siphon are nutjob anti-vax votes and those, unfortunately, come from both sides.
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when it comes to siphoning votes, the only people excited about him are conservatives
Yeah. I am not kidding that his name was floated as a potential Trump running mate. By republicans.
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Well, actually he's ahead of Trump in the polls.

Harvard Harris Poll

On page fourteen, it lists Robert F. Kennedy, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders,
Elon Musk, and Kamala Harris ahead of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Basically, it's a mixture of Inflation and Biden Too Old. Sigh.
We may well wind up with a Kennedy in the White House again.
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All he would siphon are nutjob anti-vax votes and those, unfortunately, come from both sides.
Before the pandemic this was true. Nowadays it's nearly all Right wing
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Before the pandemic this was true. Nowadays it's nearly all Right wing
I would say that the right wing capture of the anti-vax movement happened some time in the 2000's, personally.
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Well, actually he's ahead of Trump in the polls.

Harvard Harris Poll

On page fourteen, it lists Robert F. Kennedy, Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders,
Elon Musk, and Kamala Harris ahead of Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Basically, it's a mixture of Inflation and Biden Too Old. Sigh.
We may well wind up with a Kennedy in the White House again.
Uh, yeah....no.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
And I can show you the same for left wing Democrats. Progressives are pretty much the party of science*. I can see why you might have missed that.


*Except Progressive's still haven't discovered the science of marketing.
They seem to be having problems with rudimentary biology as well.
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And now he is reportedly considering a run as an independent.

Of course the real question is whether he would draw more votes from Trump than Biden, given his apparent popularity among GOP voters.
Is that any question at all? His key positions are 100% right wing, and on vaccines he's notably to the right of Trump himself.

If he runs as an independent any spoiling effect will be overwhelmingly negative for Trump. Anyone voter who is this much of an anti-vaxxer nut to like someone like RFK Jr. has almost certainly already been radicalized to the far right during the whole covid vaccine freakout.

I wonder if RFK Jr. discussing being an independent is really a bid to get onto the Trump ticket as VP. Trump could probably use a bit of help shoring up his reputation among the anti-vax right who were pretty upset in Trump's role in greenlighting the development and deployment of the much hated covid vaccine.
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i believe the current thought on the Q-right is that if Trump and RFK jr. are on the same ticket, at the precise moment they are inaugurated they will merge and become JFK jr.
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I don't understand why so many people accept RFKjr as serious person. I watched one long-form YT interview and spotted half a dozen+ kook-theories.
Vaccines (COVID & polio), big-pharma, FDA(NSAIDs), CIA-killed-Kennedy, frogs-change gender due to pollution,
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Originally Posted by stevea View Post
I don't understand why so many people accept RFKjr as serious person. I watched one long-form YT interview and spotted half a dozen+ kook-theories.
Vaccines (COVID & polio), big-pharma, FDA(NSAIDs), CIA-killed-Kennedy, frogs-change gender due to pollution,
Because some people love the kook theories.
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Originally Posted by stevea View Post
I don't understand why so many people accept RFKjr as serious person. I watched one long-form YT interview and spotted half a dozen+ kook-theories.
Vaccines (COVID & polio), big-pharma, FDA(NSAIDs), CIA-killed-Kennedy, frogs-change gender due to pollution,
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Because some people love the kook theories.
Nah. I think he polls well in lists because of name recognition. I'll bet polling the same people on what they actually know about his views would find widespread ignorance.
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