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Old 30th May 2023, 06:39 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
You should talk to people at the Liberal Gun Club. They have views that will interest you.

https://theliberalgunclub.com
I think you are being led astray by their name:
...Our members opinions on things range from pure authoritarian to pure libertarian, it’s a diverse group, and hard to present a consensus that reflects the entirety of the membership....
They are using liberal with one of its meanings, and that meaning doesn't mean "left".
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Old 30th May 2023, 06:53 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I think you are being led astray by their name:
...Our members opinions on things range from pure authoritarian to pure libertarian, it’s a diverse group, and hard to present a consensus that reflects the entirety of the membership....
They are using liberal with one of its meanings, and that meaning doesn't mean "left".

If you actually read just a few of their posts regarding political issues, you would see that they are indeed on the liberal spectrum of American politics, hate all things MAGA & Trump & Conservative. And for the most part are on the side of the liberal and progressive social agenda.

But don't take my word for it actually go to the website and check it out.
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Old 30th May 2023, 07:07 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
If you actually read just a few of their posts regarding political issues, you would see that they are indeed on the liberal spectrum of American politics, hate all things MAGA & Trump & Conservative. And for the most part are on the side of the liberal and progressive social agenda.

But don't take my word for it actually go to the website and check it out.
Where do you think that quote came from? And of course what you say doesn't contradict what I said.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Where do you think that quote came from? And of course what you say doesn't contradict what I said.

Like I said read some of the discussion in the forum regarding political and social issues. You will see the vast majority of the people are clearly on the liberal and progressive side of things. Or you could ignore that.
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Like I said read some of the discussion in the forum regarding political and social issues. You will see the vast majority of the people are clearly on the liberal and progressive side of things. Or you could ignore that.
Libertarianism is now the progressive side of things, well I never.
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Libertarianism is now the progressive side of things, well I never.
They never claimed that. Nor did I.

Sigh. Do what you want, believe what you want.
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More than twenty mass shootings in USAia over the weekend. At least sixteen dead.
Business as usual.
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
They never claimed that. Nor did I.

Sigh. Do what you want, believe what you want.
Perhaps you could try reading the website and see what they say about their membership?
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Libertarianism is now the progressive side of things, well I never.
The spectrum of authoritarian to libertarian is orthogonal to the spectrum of conservative to liberal.
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Perhaps you could try reading the website and see what they say about their membership?

So you are going ignore the actual posts and opinions of the members of the forum? Gotcha.

Like I said if you want to get a true pulse on how the people feel read the various threads on political and social issues. Or not.
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More than twenty mass shootings in USAia over the weekend. At least sixteen dead.
Business as usual.
Most of the mass shootings in AMERICA this past weekend were in states with loose gun laws. Shame.
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More than twenty mass shootings in USAia over the weekend. At least sixteen dead.
Business as usual.
And the "big" news story shooting of the weekend had no fatalities. Just 9 wounded. No big deal, not dead. Just potentially crippled, in massive medical debt, and potentially now reliant on the US's paltry little bit of public assistance for survival.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/29/us/ho...day/index.html
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So you are going ignore the actual posts and opinions of the members of the forum? Gotcha.

Like I said if you want to get a true pulse on how the people feel read the various threads on political and social issues. Or not.
Like I said if you want to read what they said about their membership you'll need to read their website.
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Like I said if you want to read what they said about their membership you'll need to read their website.

What you quoted does not accurately represent the majority of the views expressed in the forum. They were simply stating that there is no litmus test to join and the variety of views expressed span a large spectrum from authoritarianism to libertarianism. However the majority of views expressed on political and social issues are indeed liberal and progressive. There are very few if any conservatives in the forum that I have ever experienced.
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If you don’t want to read what the website says that is up to you.
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If you don’t want to read what the website says that is up to you.
If you insist on not reading the actual views of the forum's members, that's up to you.
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7 shot outside a high school graduation ceremony in Richmond, Virginia, and 2 people are in custody, officials say.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/ri...oting-virginia
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CNN: 2 of the 7 people shot have died.
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7 shot outside a high school graduation ceremony in Richmond, Virginia, and 2 people are in custody, officials say.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/06/us/ri...oting-virginia
Imma guess they are not the white supremacist type.
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Imma guess they are not the white supremacist type.

Not a white supremacist.
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Edwards said officers inside the Altria heard gunshots outside around 5:15 p.m. and witnesses at the scene told 8News they heard dozens of shots fired. Four guns were eventually recovered at the scene by police.



Edwards said after a “highly-charged” event like Tuesday’s mass shooting, there is a likelihood for direct retaliation.
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Not a white supremacist.
Just because he's black doesn't mean he's not a white supremacist Nazi, remember?
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At least 9 injured in a mass shooting in downtown Denver, police say, soon after Nuggets’ NBA title win.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/us/de...-market-street
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At least 9 injured in a mass shooting in downtown Denver, police say, soon after Nuggets’ NBA title win.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/us/de...-market-street

This doesn't count as a real mass shooting because it was a drug deal gone bad. Ricardo Vazquez and Raoul Jones have been arrested. At least 6 of the 9 victims were innocent bystanders, or "gang members" as some people on this board call them.


A similar shooting occurred during an NBA playoff game in Milwaukee last year. 21 people were wounded. Every single person arrested, 8 or 9 I believe, was involved in a socioeconomic situation so it didn't count either.
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There was another "not-a-real-mass shooting" mass shooting with 9 victims in San Francisco last week as well.

Javier Campos Jr., a known gang member, pulled off a "targeted" drive-by shooting during a block party in the Mission District. Javier Campos Jr is no stranger to mass shootings as this is at least his 2nd.
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Jan. 23 shooting at a Valero gas station in Oakland during a music video for a Stockton rapper, the sources said. The Oakland shooting occurred after a group of Sureños crashed the set of the video, prompting a shootout between them and a number of alleged Norteño gang affiliates, police say.
Javier Campos Jr was roaming the streets before both mass shootings despite having multiple prior gun charges:
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Campos was out on bail in a multi-count felony case in Alameda County, filed last September. In that case, prosecutors charged him with multiple counts of drug and gun possession, stemming from his arrest at a Burger King in Oakland.



Campos also has two warrants for his arrest out of San Mateo County after he failed to show up for two separate trials in May. There, he is charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm and in another case conspiring with his girlfriend to sneak opiates into the county jail.
Both of these mass shootings may have been prevented if we could bother locking up gun criminals, but that would be systemic racism and ****.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/06/...hat-injured-9/
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"Gun criminals." Now that's a REAL trigger word!
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I admit to being a little bothered to claim that certain kinds of shootings "don't count".
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I admit to being a little bothered to claim that certain kinds of shootings "don't count".
I don't think that's Brainster's stance at all. They think that left ignores mass shootings when they are carried out by people of colour.
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I don't think that's Brainster's stance at all. They think that left ignores mass shootings when they are carried out by people of colour.
There's definitely a large segment of society that is ok with endemic misery and crime so long as its contained to certain designated communities, namely poor, often black or brown slums of major cities.

I wouldn't say that the "left" is disinterested in these considering much of the left's base comes from poor, minority neighborhoods. Left policies are constantly grappling with how to deal with policing, poverty, and general blight in these communities.

It's much more centrist liberals and conservatives who are content to ignore the troubles happening outside their neighborhoods and only get agitated when violence penetrates their world.

Conservatives only think about these communities as useful foils in their racist view of the world (but Chicago!), and liberals hardly think of them at all.
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Meh, our obsession with mass-shootings just shows what a sick society we have become.

We need to address socioeconomic inequality and mental health.
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Mass shooting should count as mass shooting based on number alone. That's what the terms means.
But it is indeed silly classification. There is difference between gang members shooting other gang members (and random bystanders), random people fighting over who will first buy an ice cream on a beach, and skewed guy shooting out a school, or even random crowd.
All can turn into mass shooting, but the situation and causes are different. Which means it might also need a different solutions. I certainly feel that mixing them all together serves no purpose.

And while white supremacists shooting random crowd make bigger news, they will never lead the charts. They also usually plan well ahead, are dedicated, and unscrupulous .. they will always find a way, as mass killing acts in Germany or Japan showed. And gangs will be hardest to get the guns from. It's not like they care about gun laws even today.

I wouldn't agree with "it's not white supremacists, it's the gangs" .. but I'd agree with "it's not JUST the white supremacists, it's the ALSO the gangs". Not exactly sure what exactly Bogative means. But I'm trying to go with the most honorable interpretation of ambiguous posts, not the most despicable.
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Mass shooting should count as mass shooting based on number alone. That's what the terms means.
But it is indeed silly classification. There is difference between gang members shooting other gang members (and random bystanders), random people fighting over who will first buy an ice cream on a beach, and skewed guy shooting out a school, or even random crowd.
All can turn into mass shooting, but the situation and causes are different. Which means it might also need a different solutions. I certainly feel that mixing them all together serves no purpose.

And while white supremacists shooting random crowd make bigger news, they will never lead the charts. They also usually plan well ahead, are dedicated, and unscrupulous .. they will always find a way, as mass killing acts in Germany or Japan showed. And gangs will be hardest to get the guns from. It's not like they care about gun laws even today.

I wouldn't agree with "it's not white supremacists, it's the gangs" .. but I'd agree with "it's not JUST the white supremacists, it's the ALSO the gangs". Not exactly sure what exactly Bogative means. But I'm trying to go with the most honorable interpretation of ambiguous posts, not the most despicable.
I agree 100%.

Categorizing a random mass-shooting of strangers at a movie theater by a deranged gunman as the same as a gang shooting against targeted gang members between the Crips & Bloods, or a Muslim terrorist targeting a local fair, or a white supremacist targeting a black church, is NOT the same thing and requires very different solutions. Very foolish for us to label them the same type of phenomenon.
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Meh, our obsession with mass-shootings just shows what a sick society we have become.

We need to address socioeconomic inequality and mental health.
I agree that that would go quite a distance towards addressing the issue of mass shootings, as well as a host of other societal ills. But - and here's the unpopular part - you won't get far unless you also address the issue of guns.
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Meh, our obsession with mass-shootings just shows what a sick society we have become.

We need to address socioeconomic inequality and mental health.
I completely agree with you last sentence, but we also need to do something about the lack of sensible gun laws.
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8 injured, including teens, in shooting in Los Angeles County neighborhood, authorities say.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/17/us/ei...ing-california
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8 injured, including teens, in shooting in Los Angeles County neighborhood, authorities say.

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Probably gang related.
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8 injured, including teens, in shooting in Los Angeles County neighborhood, authorities say.

Only 8, those are rookie numbers, they need to pump those numbers up.

At least 20 shot, 1 fatally, in Willowbrook after Juneteenth celebration turns violent: witnesses
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Only 8, those are rookie numbers, they need to pump those numbers up.

At least 20 shot, 1 fatally, in Willowbrook after Juneteenth celebration turns violent: witnesses
Again, gang related.

Not the same as random mass-shootings by crazy people.
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Old 18th June 2023, 06:01 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Again, gang related.
Or Illinois neo-Nazis and white supremacists. Those are the greatest threat to the nation, like the greatest ever, ever.
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Old 18th June 2023, 06:09 AM   #80
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Damn St. Louis neo-Nazis and white supremacists must be at it again!

10 juveniles injured in downtown shooting, 1 killed.


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Previous incidents in the past where large crowds have resulted in fights, shootings, and overall crime have fueled outrage over dangerous situations for residents with some directed at late night businesses. They have vehemently denied they’re to blame, instead asking for more police patrol.
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