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Old 1st July 2023, 01:09 PM   #161
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Do you have *any* reason at all to assume that what you just wrote is remotely true? If not, please don't make stuff up.
This is what the shooter's wife accused the boy of doing. I literally said "assuming that's true".
True or not, the death toll is so high because the man had a gun. Yes, a knife would have been deadly too, and it's possible the number of victims would have been the same. Still I can't help but think had the aggrieved party simply stormed into the place in a rage but otherwise unarmed, there would have been a nasty beating and maybe one death, but not four.
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Old 1st July 2023, 01:28 PM   #162
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She used the phrase "culture of violence." That is racism, or so I've been told by the skeptic community.
No. The culture of violence in the USA is a culture that is endemic in the whole of American society, across all racial lines. The USA is a violent country, facilitated by their gun laws.
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No. The culture of violence in the USA is a culture that is endemic in the whole of American society, across all racial lines. The USA is a violent country, facilitated by their gun laws.
Yes of course but I think the, finer, difficult point to grasp, due to it's unpopular connotations, is that the "culture of violence" is more prevalent in a certain sector of the US population. This seems to be borne out by statistics. Even by dint of the fact that I've replied in this vein makes me racist.

If you genuinely can't see the obvious point that is being made in this particular case then I'd have to say that you are blinded by some other influence acting upon you.
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Old 1st July 2023, 03:06 PM   #164
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Yes of course but I think the, finer, difficult point to grasp, due to it's unpopular connotations, is that the "culture of violence" is more prevalent in a certain sector of the US population. This seems to be borne out by statistics. Even by dint of the fact that I've replied in this vein makes me racist.

If you genuinely can't see the obvious point that is being made in this particular case then I'd have to say that you are blinded by some other influence acting upon you.
Sorry, I seem to be a little lost. Is "this particular case" the case that Bogative was referencing in this quote?:

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She used the phrase "culture of violence." That is racism, or so I've been told by the skeptic community.
Because that is what I was responding to.
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
True or not, the death toll is so high because the man had a gun. Yes, a knife would have been deadly too, and it's possible the number of victims would have been the same. Still I can't help but think had the aggrieved party simply stormed into the place in a rage but otherwise unarmed, there would have been a nasty beating and maybe one death, but not four.
Absolutely, and that was more the intent behind my original post. We can't get anyone else's side of the story because they were all shot and killed. An entire family just wiped out.
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Sorry, I seem to be a little lost. Is "this particular case" the case that Bogative was referencing in this quote?:



Because that is what I was responding to.
Yes. I was agreeing with your larger point but you seemed, to me, to be missing or ignoring the nuance of Bogative's post. My apologies if this wasn't the case.
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Mass shooting in Baltimore, two dead and more than forty injured.
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Mass shooting in Baltimore, two dead and more than forty injured.

My guess is The Patriot Front.
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Old 2nd July 2023, 07:38 AM   #169
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Mass shooting in Baltimore, two dead and more than forty injured.
2 people are dead and 28 people were injured in mass shooting at a Baltimore block party, officials say.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/02/us/ba...hooting-sunday
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1 person in custody after 7 shot in Wichita, Kansas, nightclub shooting, police say.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/02/us/ka...tclub-shooting
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
2 people are dead and 28 people were injured in mass shooting at a Baltimore block party, officials say.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/02/us/ba...hooting-sunday
More deaths in one American inner city block party than week long nationwide riots in France. Amazing.
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Amazing.
Not really.
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Old 3rd July 2023, 06:35 AM   #173
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1 person in custody after 7 shot in Wichita, Kansas, nightclub shooting, police say.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/02/us/ka...tclub-shooting

9 shot. The original count did not include two area hospital walk-ins. The person arrested was not rapper Timothy "Mozzy" Patterson, but someone who intentionally drove into the crime scene while drunk.

According to police, this is the 12th incident at the "City Nightz" club this year, including a drive-by shooting earlier in May.

Imma guess this club is not a Proud Boys hang out.
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4 killed, 2 children wounded at mass shooting in Philadelphia. The suspect was armed with an “AR-style” rifle and a handgun, was wearing a ballistic vest, was carrying additional magazines of ammunition, and a police scanner.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/eight-...-20230703.html
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9 shot. The original count did not include two area hospital walk-ins. The person arrested was not rapper Timothy "Mozzy" Patterson, but someone who intentionally drove into the crime scene while drunk.

According to police, this is the 12th incident at the "City Nightz" club this year, including a drive-by shooting earlier in May.

Imma guess this club is not a Proud Boys hang out.
Imma guess Proud Boys don't have hang-outs. They are a bunch of armed incels who fester alone in their mom's basements, by the light of their monitors watching shooting porn.
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4 killed, 2 children wounded at mass shooting in Philadelphia. The suspect was armed with an “AR-style” rifle and a handgun, was wearing a ballistic vest, was carrying additional magazines of ammunition, and a police scanner.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/eight-...-20230703.html
Philadelphia police search for motive in a shooting believed to have left 5 dead and 2 children injured.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/us/ph...uspect-tuesday
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Shooting in Fort Worth leaves at least 3 dead and 8 others wounded.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/us/fo...hooting-deaths
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Shooting in Fort Worth leaves at least 3 dead and 8 others wounded.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/us/fo...hooting-deaths

A mass shooting happened in the same neighborhood 2 years ago.
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ComoFest is the annual Fourth of July celebration for Fort Worth’s Como neighborhood, a historically Black community on the city’s west side. In 2021, eight people were shot and wounded near a car wash following the festival.

It's almost an annual event. 'Come from fireworks, stay for mass shooting.'

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...ng-police-say/
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Shooting in Fort Worth leaves at least 3 dead and 8 others wounded.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/us/fo...hooting-deaths

Yeah, we are going to need to focus on the gun in this shooting.

https://heavy.com/news/kimbrady-carriker/
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Old 4th July 2023, 04:32 PM   #180
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Philadelphia police search for motive in a shooting believed to have left 5 dead and 2 children injured.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/us/ph...uspect-tuesday
Yeah, sorry I probably should have posted this one in the Trans thread.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...supporter.html
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Philadelphia police search for motive in a shooting believed to have left 5 dead and 2 children injured.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/us/ph...uspect-tuesday
Probably hatred for America.
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Probably hatred for America.
A hatred for an America that will ban guns. The shooter ticks all the boxes.
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A 9-year-old (gangbanger, presumably) was shot during a drive-by shooting while at a block party in Washington, DC. 8 others were wounded also.


3 killed, 6 wounded at a block party in Shreveport, Louisiana.


No suspect information currently available. More 'Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremist – White Supremacist' terrorist activity we keep being warned about, probably.
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Yeah, we are going to need to focus on the gun in this shooting.

https://heavy.com/news/kimbrady-carriker/
Sure are. So how did such a nut case GET a gun?
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So the holiday weekend saw sixteen mass shootings, around 120 casualties, including fifteen dead.
Ah, freedumb.....
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Is that a lot?
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Is that a lot?
Given where they happened, not really.
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Given where they happened, not really.
In the USA you mean?
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In the USA you mean?
No, just those localities. They aleady have high gun homicide rates.
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A 9-year-old (gangbanger, presumably) was shot during a drive-by shooting while at a block party in Washington, DC. 8 others were wounded also.


3 killed, 6 wounded at a block party in Shreveport, Louisiana.


No suspect information currently available. More 'Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremist – White Supremacist' terrorist activity we keep being warned about, probably.
I recognise that certain communities have a higher rate of violent crime than others. We can discuss the reasons for this. But US gun laws make the consequences far more serious. In the UK some communities have a much higher rate of violent crimes than others, but the lack of guns mean that the consequence is stabbings which tend to be individual rather than multiple.

The US has a problem. I have no idea how this can be solved.
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The US has a problem. I have no idea how this can be solved.

Quit being nice to criminals. That work wonders for El Salvador.
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Quit being nice to criminals. That work wonders for El Salvador.
Sarcasm? El Salvadors violent crime rate is substantially higher than ours, so I'd say its not working wonders.
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Sarcasm? El Salvadors violent crime rate is substantially higher than ours, so I'd say its not working wonders.

You must not be familiar with the current President there. He put away the low lying fruit, and the results are extraordinary.
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The Philly mass-shooter appears to be a BLM supporter who has dabbled in being a tranny.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/kimbra...-of-killing-5/
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The Philly mass-shooter appears to be a BLM supporter who has dabbled in being a tranny.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/kimbra...-of-killing-5/

Celebrate diversity!
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Celebrate diversity!
Its a good thing! Not all mass-shooters can be racist conservative malcontent whiteboys.
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Its a good thing! Not all mass-shooters can be racist conservative malcontent whiteboys.

Most of them aren’t.
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Most of them aren’t.
The ones that are of real concern, actually are.

Mass-shooters who plan ahead, are heavily armed and wear body armor tend very much to be insane malcontent conservative whiteboys.
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The ones that are of real concern, actually are.

Mass-shooters who plan ahead, are heavily armed and wear body armor tend very much to be insane malcontent conservative whiteboys.

Those who have a suicidal mission are usually White. Those that go bang-bang and flee are usually not. But the former is far less common than the latter.
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Those who have a suicidal mission are usually White. Those that go bang-bang and flee are usually not. But the former is far less common than the latter.
Gang Banger mass-shootings dont bother me as I don't live amongst them. Its the random insane whiteboys that worry me.
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