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Old 12th February 2024, 08:09 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
What makes the situation worth talking about is what's wrong with the DP for putting itself in situations like this in the first place and how to get it to quit doing this to itself in the future. And the first step to solving a problem is getting the person/party that has it to admit it.
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This does remind me uncomfortably of RBG not stepping aside when it was her time. Biden has surrounded himself with competent people and I wouldn't fear a second term, but I do fear for the election.
Exactly. Some better thread titles for what's really at stake here would be...
  • How much support from the non-rich can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How much support from minorities can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How much support from the young can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How much support from male voters can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How many states like Ohio and Florida can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How many elections can the Democrats lose (or just barely scrape by & escape from what should have been landslides in their own favor) before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How long can the Democrats keep going on with everybody, even themselves and their own "base", unable to muster a real argument for them other than "But at least they aren't the Republicans", before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?

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Old 12th February 2024, 09:03 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
Exactly. Some better thread titles for what's really at stake here would be...
  • How much support from the non-rich can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How much support from minorities can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How much support from the young can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How much support from male voters can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How many states like Ohio and Florida can the Democrats lose before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How many elections can the Democrats lose (or just barely scrape by & escape from what should have been landslides in their own favor) before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
  • How long can the Democrats keep going on with everybody, even themselves and their own "base", unable to muster a real argument for them other than "But at least they aren't the Republicans", before they will admit that their whole approach is completely backward?
Its the last one that is key. As long as the Republican party keeps up their death spiral of insanity, chasing their moderates out of their party, abandoning their policies in favor of political wins, and basically supporting full fascism, then the Dems can still win with "But at least they aren't the Republicans".

A lot of hate what the Democratic party has become under the influence of wealthy backers, but in our two-party system, they are the best option. That's why a lot of us would love for the GOP to come back to its senses, it's just not clear how that could possibly happen.
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Old 12th February 2024, 09:07 AM   #83
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Yeah, another severe accomplishment by Trump. Drag others down into his pit of stupidity - and beat them there.

I wonder if there would be another Dem even willing to go against Trump? To me it seems a bit like no one there wants to be the one who is going to lose against Trump. So they let grandpa do his thing and if he is going to lose, then he's too old for anything else in politics anyway. No problem for him...
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Old 12th February 2024, 09:07 AM   #84
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That's a great article. Though I enjoyed this part:

"Whether Reagan was suffering clear symptoms from Alzheimer’s while in office has been a subject of fevered debate for many years. In 2011, his son Ron Reagan wrote in his book Reagan at 100 that he felt “something was amiss” with his father’s mind during his second term, though the younger Reagan later clarified that this did not mean that the president was suffering from dementia during that time."

It's also noteworthy to point out the press hated Reagan then almost as much as they hate Trump now. So obviously they pounced at his poor performance during the first debate against Mondale in '84. However his performance at the second debate, which some seem to forget, was spectacular and lead to his landslide victory.

His greatest debate performance IMO and the birth of a legendary quote :“I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

Biden is no Ronald Reagan and Democrats know it. As it stands, Biden cannot debate Trump, and everyone knows why whether they'll admit it or not.
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Old 12th February 2024, 09:55 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
That's a great article. Though I enjoyed this part:

"Whether Reagan was suffering clear symptoms from Alzheimer’s while in office has been a subject of fevered debate for many years. In 2011, his son Ron Reagan wrote in his book Reagan at 100 that he felt “something was amiss” with his father’s mind during his second term, though the younger Reagan later clarified that this did not mean that the president was suffering from dementia during that time."

It's also noteworthy to point out the press hated Reagan then almost as much as they hate Trump now. So obviously they pounced at his poor performance during the first debate against Mondale in '84. However his performance at the second debate, which some seem to forget, was spectacular and lead to his landslide victory.

His greatest debate performance IMO and the birth of a legendary quote :“I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

Biden is no Ronald Reagan and Democrats know it. As it stands, Biden cannot debate Trump, and everyone knows why whether they'll admit it or not.
Even Mondale laughed at that line.

If the GOP ran a halfway decent candidate (ie Haley) it'd be a landslide. But they are not. I fear Trump will upset the liberal-democratic world order and usher in a new age of authoritarian dictatorships. A Trump presidency may significantly lower the quality of life for the average person for centuries to come. A senile old fart is vastly better.
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Old 12th February 2024, 11:09 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
That's a great article. Though I enjoyed this part:

"Whether Reagan was suffering clear symptoms from Alzheimer’s while in office has been a subject of fevered debate for many years. In 2011, his son Ron Reagan wrote in his book Reagan at 100 that he felt “something was amiss” with his father’s mind during his second term, though the younger Reagan later clarified that this did not mean that the president was suffering from dementia during that time."

It's also noteworthy to point out the press hated Reagan then almost as much as they hate Trump now. So obviously they pounced at his poor performance during the first debate against Mondale in '84. However his performance at the second debate, which some seem to forget, was spectacular and lead to his landslide victory.

His greatest debate performance IMO and the birth of a legendary quote :“I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

Biden is no Ronald Reagan and Democrats know it. As it stands, Biden cannot debate Trump, and everyone knows why whether they'll admit it or not.
This post is laughable. It really tickles my funny bone. The press didn't hate Reagan. One could argue that some members of the press didn't support Reagan's policies but hate? Total nonsense.

As for a debate. Biden shouldn't debate Trump. But not because he wouldn't fare well. No, Biden shouldn't elevate a wannabe dictator out to destroy democracy. A serial sexual abuser and repeated fraudster that belongs in prison.
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Old 12th February 2024, 11:39 AM   #87
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besides it was trump that started skipping debates and he's never had a strong debate performance. he barely makes sense and he's been pooping his pants.
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Old 12th February 2024, 11:39 AM   #88
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The real question is when will the democrat leadership and democrats on this forum admit, bides mental acuity is a huge liability in the election, one that will help get Trump elected.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...in/ar-BB1i7R7A

86% of americans think biden is too old and 61% think trump is. Running biden gives the issue to trump. Running anyone else, literally anyone else makes it a liability for trump.

I too will vote for the senile old bastard, I'd rather vote for someone that wasn't obviously senile. How many people aren't going to vote at all, vote third party, or even vote for trump because they think biden is senile?

This definitely a thing where saying "but trump is old too!" Sure but he's not as old and not as obviously in cognitive decline and its not even the top 10 reasons to vote against trump.

Its shocking to me that some many folks are whistling past the grave yard on this. Its like they'd rather be right and have trump in office.

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Old 12th February 2024, 11:57 AM   #89
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The better question to me is why do so many people on the right, and those that generally oppose Biden for whatever their reason, need, and I mean absolutely need, people on the left to "admit Biden has cognitive decline"?

Why? Even if "we" admit it, then what? He's running either way. His cognitive ability gets brought up in literally every thread, but I never see what the grand outcome is supposed to be.

Ok, an 81 year old man has cognitive decline. He also has a speech impediment.

As most have pointed out in this thread the choice is between Trump and Biden, Biden is a no-brainer. If the desire is to just hear people say it, then it has nothing to do with politics, it's about ******* crying your ass off until people agree with you. Which is all this thread is.
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Old 12th February 2024, 12:32 PM   #90
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To be honest, it doesn't really matter what anyone on this forum thinks or says about Biden, including myself.

On the other hand, pundits and high ranking dems continuing to act like Biden's clear cognitive decline isn't real reads as delusion or gas lighting and will lose even more votes than the obvious decline. That I care about. I desperately want the Dems to run someone else. I desperately want the Reps to run someone else too but that seems even less realistic.
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To be honest, it doesn't really matter what anyone on this forum thinks or says about Biden, including myself.

On the other hand, pundits and high ranking dems continuing to act like Biden's clear cognitive decline isn't real reads as delusion or gas lighting and will lose even more votes than the obvious decline. That I care about. I desperately want the Dems to run someone else. I desperately want the Reps to run someone else too but that seems even less realistic.
I see minor cognitive decline in Biden. Nothing I haven't seen in myself at 65. Nothing that is an impediment to him doing the job.

What I do see however, in both him and his administration is quality decision-making. He has promoted good policies and doesn't make the Presidency about himself.

Unfortunately, people look at the Presidency like it is a beauty contest. It's not. This is where television and instant media makes a mistake. I don't want to say that being a good public speaker that presents a vibrant and vital image isn't an asset. It is.

But that is overrated. FDR was an invalid. Can you imagine FDR being elected today? Now if you asked me if I would prefer a vibrant articulate 45 year old as a political candidate, then my answer would be yes. But absolutely think that Biden is more than capable to be President.
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The better question to me is why do so many people on the right, and those that generally oppose Biden for whatever their reason, need, and I mean absolutely need, people on the left to "admit Biden has cognitive decline"?

Why? Even if "we" admit it, then what? He's running either way. His cognitive ability gets brought up in literally every thread, but I never see what the grand outcome is supposed to be.

Ok, an 81 year old man has cognitive decline. He also has a speech impediment.

As most have pointed out in this thread the choice is between Trump and Biden, Biden is a no-brainer. If the desire is to just hear people say it, then it has nothing to do with politics, it's about ******* crying your ass off until people agree with you. Which is all this thread is.
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I see minor cognitive decline in Biden. Nothing I haven't seen in myself at 65. Nothing that is an impediment to him doing the job.

What I do see however, in both him and his administration is quality decision-making. He has promoted good policies and doesn't make the Presidency about himself.

Unfortunately, people look at the Presidency like it is a beauty contest. It's not. This is where television and instant media makes a mistake. I don't want to say that being a good public speaker that presents a vibrant and vital image isn't an asset. It is.

But that is overrated. FDR was an invalid. Can you imagine FDR being elected today? Now if you asked me if I would prefer a vibrant articulate 45 year old as a political candidate, then my answer would be yes. But absolutely think that Biden is more than capable to be President.
Pretty much all of that but especially the highlighted bit is straight up denial. What bother's most about it, is to the extent that the other leading dems believe it, they are setting themselves, biden, and the rest of us up for failure.

And none of it matters, it could all be true but only a minority of voters believe. The underlined bit is true. Problem is, it is true, so find Dem that looks good on TV and makes people feel like he can actually lead a country.

ETA, to be clear, the majority of the GOP are even more delusional about Trump and his failings.

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Pretty much all of that but especially the highlighted bit is straight up denial. What bother's most about it, is to the extent that the other leading dems believe it, they are setting themselves, biden, and the rest of us up for failure.

And none of it matters, it could all be true but only a minority of voters believe. The underlined bit is true. Problem is, it is true, so find Dem that looks good on TV and makes people feel like he can actually lead a country.

ETA, to be clear, the majority of the GOP are even more delusional about Trump and his failings.
I don't think, "I'd rather just have someone that looks good more than someone who makes sound decisions that are in the best interest of the country" is the flex you think it is.
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Pretty much all of that but especially the highlighted bit is straight up denial. What bother's most about it, is to the extent that the other leading dems believe it, they are setting themselves, biden, and the rest of us up for failure.

And none of it matters, it could all be true but only a minority of voters believe. The underlined bit is true. Problem is, it is true, so find Dem that looks good on TV and makes people feel like he can actually lead a country.

ETA, to be clear, the majority of the GOP are even more delusional about Trump and his failings.
No it is not. And you claiming it is over and over doesn't make it true.

Biden is an old man. He's an octogenarian. There are clear and obvious signs of aging. He looks older. His voice sounds older. And people often equate aging with dementia. But they are not synonymous. My great grandfather lived to 103. And at 91 he was sharp. There was nothing wrong with his mental acuity

Still, I agree that Biden's age doesn't probably make him the best of political candidates. I grant you that. And admittedly that worries me a little. But youth and vibrancy doesn't necessarily make a good candidate either. Everyone looks fondly at the young JFK and his beautiful wife. And JFK was a great public speaker as well. But he was a so so President and he barely won the 1960 election.

I thought Hillary Clinton would have made an outstanding President once she was in office. But I never considered her to be an outstanding political candidate.

I think Biden has done a great job as President. As good as could be expected given the slight majority during his first two years.

If I had my druthers, I'd like to see Harris step aside as VP. Maybe to accept another position in the cabinet and maybe have Newsome take her place. That way, you have what I would imagine to be a very electable insurance policy.
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I don't think, "I'd rather just have someone that looks good more than someone who makes sound decisions that are in the best interest of the country" is the flex you think it is.
That's not the "Flex" I'm making, I want some with sound judgement and is also electable.

To be clear, I don't think biden has sound judgement, its just more sound than trump. Which is true of pretty much everyone who could possibly be a presidential candidate, so how about you find some that has better than a 50/50 chance of beating Trump.

I think biden is clearly suffering from age related dementia, I don't know how many times you need mention talking with a person that's been dead for ten years to demonstrate that to some folks satisfaction.

And again it doesn't actually matter whether he's demented or not, most people think he is. Polling is pretty clear, his age and the impacts on is cognitive abilities are clearly the most common concern voters have regarding Biden. Run someone who's a spry 70 year old and that's issue for Trump rather than the Dem.

ETA" I really just don't understand how anyone can watch a Biden press conference and think, sure he's a little old but sharp as a tack! Or at least my 91 year old grandad. More importantly, Biden running for second term makes more likely that Trump will win.

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There's a lot of ought vs is going on in the defense of Biden.
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Even the NYT is now calling on Biden to step aside.
No, a conservative opinion columnist for the New York Times said Biden should step down.
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No, a conservative opinion columnist for the New York Times said Biden should step down.
Exactly!
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Pretty much all of that but especially the highlighted bit is straight up denial. What bother's most about it, is to the extent that the other leading dems believe it, they are setting themselves, biden, and the rest of us up for failure. ...


Denial of what exactly? Spell out the specifics as they relate to the job of POTUS.


This Brian Tyler Cohen podcast spells it out very nicely. It's 12.5 minutes long but midway BTC notes a long list of Biden's accomplishments in office so far. If 12 minutes is too long skip ahead to minute 3 to hear about the real denial the Democrats are in and listen from 4.5 minutes to just past 6 minutes for Biden's accomplishments.

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The real question is when will the democrat leadership and democrats on this forum admit, bides mental acuity is a huge liability in the election, one that will help get Trump elected.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...in/ar-BB1i7R7A

86% of americans think biden is too old and 61% think trump is. Running biden gives the issue to trump. Running anyone else, literally anyone else makes it a liability for trump.

I too will vote for the senile old bastard, I'd rather vote for someone that wasn't obviously senile. How many people aren't going to vote at all, vote third party, or even vote for trump because they think biden is senile?

This definitely a thing where saying "but trump is old too!" Sure but he [Trump] is not as old and not as obviously in cognitive decline and its not even the top 10 reasons to vote against trump.

Its shocking to me that some many folks are whistling past the grave yard on this. Its like they'd rather be right and have trump in office.
LOL, are you serious?? Trump is so openly and obviously off his tiny rocker that he is a laughingstock outside of the USA. He's a joke, a caricature of the "dumb mafioso" from a 3rd-rate gangster comedy film. The one and only thing Trump has said that is true is that the world is laughing at the USA. Because of him.
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No, a conservative opinion columnist for the New York Times said Biden should step down.
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Exactly!
Douthat says he should step down, but the NYT editorial board says Biden needs to do much more to prove he is up to the job. What they do not do is simply assume that Biden's performance at the press conference is a nothingburger, or worse, that it was some kind of stellar performance. Nothing in that press conference was an exemplar of why there is nothing to worry about, despite claims to the contrary.
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Douthat says he should step down, but the NYT editorial board says Biden needs to do much more to prove he is up to the job. What they do not do is simply assume that Biden's performance at the press conference is a nothingburger, or worse, that it was some kind of stellar performance. Nothing in that press conference was an exemplar of why there is nothing to worry about, despite claims to the contrary.
Who cares? The media is always trying to make news as opposed to reporting it. Even the NY Times isn't above creating clickbait.
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Who cares? The media is always trying to make news as opposed to reporting it. Even the NY Times isn't above creating clickbait.
Clickbait??!

The editorial is headlined: "The Challenges of an Aging President"

Is the president aging? Yes! Even he agrees with that. Even YOU agree with that, look: "Biden is an old man. He's an octogenarian. There are clear and obvious signs of aging. He looks older. His voice sounds older. And people often equate aging with dementia. But they are not synonymous."

Isn't the campaign and possible debates going to be a challenge? Yes, of course it will!

I don't believe that you believe the editorial is cynically designed to purely generate clicks.

The things they write make perfect sense. They are not urging him to drop out, they are urging him to demonstrate the vigor that many of his supporters believe he is still capable of.

Maybe he is, but in that case why is he hiding it?

You say: "Unfortunately, people look at the Presidency like it is a beauty contest."

Yes, people do that. SHOULD they? No. But they DO! Who are these people? Many of them are the VOTERS! If the voters think it is a beauty contest, then telling them it isn't is a hopeless task.

This is really where the denial comes in. The denial is that voters are too stupid to understand the real virtues of Biden, his performance, his record, etc... and rely too much on superficial things. Yet these superficial things are a big problem for Biden because the stupid voters think they are!
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Anyway, I am certainly in agreement with the "concern trolls" who worry about how much energy Biden will be able to put into the campaign.

I'm not ready to rule him out, but perhaps the best way to judge him will be in the upcoming State of the Union Address. If he can deliver a full address of a couple of hours, and maybe even get some zingers in at the crazy GOP and Trumpista loons, then I'll probably be satisfied that he's okay. Or at least, I will be willing to move in that direction.

Of course, if it doesn't go well, then...
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I am sadly coming to the opnion that Biden should not run again.
I agree that just about anyboyd is better then Trump, but polls seem to indicate Biden cannot win. American voters are idiots.
The past few years have been tought for me, as a liftime of optimsi about the United States has vanished.
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This post is laughable. It really tickles my funny bone. The press didn't hate Reagan. One could argue that some members of the press didn't support Reagan's policies but hate? Total nonsense.

As for a debate. Biden shouldn't debate Trump. But not because he wouldn't fare well. No, Biden shouldn't elevate a wannabe dictator out to destroy democracy. A serial sexual abuser and repeated fraudster that belongs in prison.
The Press absolutely hated Reagan, it's untrue to claim otherwise. Perhaps not to the same degree and effort as the Media has invested into hating Trump, but nonetheless.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to continue your blind support for Biden. Hey it's a free Country while it lasts. Only 86% of the Country feels Biden is too old to run again. Congrats on being in that 14% group!
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The Press absolutely hated Reagan, it's untrue to claim otherwise. Perhaps not to the same degree and effort as the Media has invested into hating Trump, but nonetheless.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to continue your blind support for Biden. Hey it's a free Country while it lasts. Only 86% of the Country feels Biden is too old to run again. Congrats on being in that 14% group!
Umm... yeah...

I'm not sure what press you were listening to, but the talking heads rambling to us here in Kansas absolutely loved him. Admittedly, I was fairly young at the time. But I remember that quite clearly. Of course, radio was a bit more relevant back then, too.

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even in mental decline, Biden understands Washington politics better than most Republicans.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I am sadly coming to the opnion that Biden should not run again.
I agree that just about anyboyd is better then Trump, but polls seem to indicate Biden cannot win. American voters are idiots.
The past few years have been tought for me, as a liftime of optimsi about the United States has vanished.
The polls mean nothing. It is very difficult to get a sample for a poll who reflects voters. You can look at the trumpian candidates in 2022 to see how well they did. But to me 2022 looked like 2020. Trump had gained no voters in that period.
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The polls mean nothing. It is very difficult to get a sample for a poll who reflects voters. You can look at the trumpian candidates in 2022 to see how well they did. But to me 2022 looked like 2020. Trump had gained no voters in that period.
He doesn't necessarily have to gain voters. Instead he, and the Republican Party can take steps to ensure that his supporters are highly motivated to turn out to vote (and can easily do so) whilst those who may be inclined to vote against him are dissuaded from voting (or are unable to do so).

Targeted in the right states, he could win the Presidency whilst still losing the popular vote by a record margin (for an elected President).
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That sort of thing never shows up in polls. The slim margin 10 000 vote states.
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LOL, are you serious?? Trump is so openly and obviously off his tiny rocker that he is a laughingstock outside of the USA. He's a joke, a caricature of the "dumb mafioso" from a 3rd-rate gangster comedy film. The one and only thing Trump has said that is true is that the world is laughing at the USA. Because of him.
This is true. But we did elect this buffoon, so can't laugh too loudly.
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He doesn't necessarily have to gain voters. Instead he, and the Republican Party can take steps to ensure that his supporters are highly motivated to turn out to vote (and can easily do so) whilst those who may be inclined to vote against him are dissuaded from voting (or are unable to do so).

Targeted in the right states, he could win the Presidency whilst still losing the popular vote by a record margin (for an elected President).
Agree. Presidential elections always target certain states and not the popular vote. If popular vote was the goal, the campaign strategy would be completely different.

Trying to dissuade voters from the other candidate while gaining some of your own- in the states that you need to win- is the whole dirty conniving game.


And to bring back to topic: Biden still in cognitive decline and believing it isnt there doesnt make it go away.
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There you have the weird result of American poltics. Some 100 000 voters get to decide if we are liberal or conservative for four years. And do big damgage to our partnerships.
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And to bring back to topic: Biden still in cognitive decline and believing it isnt there doesnt make it go away.
Ok, and? Like I said, that he's in cognitive decline is mentioned in every ******* thread that either Biden or Trump are mentioned in, and vice versa.

So, now what? As I've asked before, and the reason this thread is so ******* dumb, is what the hell is next? Like, do you guys just want to hear other people say it? Does that somehow help or change anything? Do you just want to talk about it? He's running, unless he dies, he will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS. Is that it now? Does this thread die?
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The Press absolutely hated Reagan, it's untrue to claim otherwise. Perhaps not to the same degree and effort as the Media has invested into hating Trump, but nonetheless.
More nonsense. But whatever

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Whatever you need to tell yourself to continue your blind support for Biden. Hey it's a free Country while it lasts. Only 86% of the Country feels Biden is too old to run again. Congrats on being in that 14% group!
I use to work for a major pollster in the 1980s. It was hard enough to get good samples then before cell phones. Now it is pretty much impossible.
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Ok, and? Like I said, that he's in cognitive decline is mentioned in every ******* thread that either Biden or Trump are mentioned in, and vice versa.

So, now what? As I've asked before, and the reason this thread is so ******* dumb, is what the hell is next? Like, do you guys just want to hear other people say it? Does that somehow help or change anything? Do you just want to talk about it? He's running, unless he dies, he will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS. Is that it now? Does this thread die?
This issue will go away when people stop making excuses for him as if it is just some mild forgetfulness we all have. Then we can get on with thinking of potential solutions to that issue.

No matter what we ponder on these pages, there will be an official response beyond 'he is really sharp behind closed doors' because no one believes it and Biden cannot prove otherwise.
It wont be him on the ticket in November.

It would be much easier to solve if Kamala was competent to step in-

...and that leaves us to let this thread die and go to the other thread about who replaces him.



It will be a strange election year.
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This issue will go away when people stop making excuses for him as if it is just some mild forgetfulness we all have. Then we can get on with thinking of potential solutions to that issue.

No matter what we ponder on these pages, there will be an official response beyond 'he is really sharp behind closed doors' because no one believes it and Biden cannot prove otherwise.
It wont be him on the ticket in November.

It would be much easier to solve if Kamala was competent to step in-

...and that leaves us to let this thread die and go to the other thread about who replaces him.

It will be a strange election year.
What a bunch of crap. And who says Harris isn't competent? I don't think she is a likeable candidate. But I don't question her competency. I don't question Biden's competency either.

I don't think the vast majority of people have a clue what makes a President competent. Image plays far too great a role to the electorate. What should matter is policy and honesty. Are their policies in the best interest of the vast majority of the citizens? Are the people they appoint competent and committed to that same end?

Everything else is packaging.
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MSNBC and Raw Story running stories on incoherent Trump.
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