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Old 18th June 2023, 06:19 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Again, gang related.

Not the same as random mass-shootings by crazy people.
Dude, the article doesn't say anything at all about gangs, just that it took place in a suburban area.
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Old 18th June 2023, 06:21 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Dude, the article doesn't say anything at all about gangs, just that it took place in a suburban area.

Its an educated guess.
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Old 18th June 2023, 06:27 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Its an educated guess.
What is educated about it? What details in the article lead you to that conclusion?
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
What is educated about it? What details in the article lead you to that conclusion?
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ival-rcna89914

Ok, here's an actual random mass-shooting.
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
What is educated about it? What details in the article lead you to that conclusion?
Party turned violent. Not pre-planned attack upon strangers.
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Party turned violent. Not pre-planned attack upon strangers.
Party turned violent means gangs? Only gangs have parties, you mean? Walk me through that a little more slowly, please.
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Party turned violent means gangs? Only gangs have parties, you mean? Walk me through that a little more slowly, please.
Lets let the news play out.

Personally the mass shootings that I am concerned about are pre-planned attacks upon random people. Not Gang shootings or crime related shootings, or idiots who get pissed off at their friends at a party
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Party turned violent means gangs? Only gangs have parties, you mean? Walk me through that a little more slowly, please.
20 wounded, 1 dead ? That's pretty wild for a party, even for US.
Looks like several shooters on both sides of the argument. Or drive by with automatic weapons ?
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Lets let the news play out.

Personally the mass shootings that I am concerned about are pre-planned attacks upon random people. Not Gang shootings or crime related shootings, or idiots who get pissed off at their friends at a party
I'm not asking you about your meta-concerns. I'm asking you about the bald assertion made: "Again, gang related." There is nothing in the reporting to indicate this. What element of the story made you say "aha! Gangs"? And I assume you meant white supremacist prison gangs? If not, what gangs did you mean to infer and why?
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2 people killed in mass shooting near Washington’s Gorge Amphitheatre during Beyond Wonderland music festival.

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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Lets let the news play out.

Personally the mass shootings that I am concerned about are pre-planned attacks upon random people. Not Gang shootings or crime related shootings, or idiots who get pissed off at their friends at a party

How about idiots who get pissed off at their friends at school?
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How about idiots who get pissed off at their friends at school?
Pre-planned mass-shooting? Im concerned.

Not pre-planned? Just another thug shooting other thugs.
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Four People Found Shot Dead Inside Idaho House

Note that this is not a repeat of the last "Four People Found Shot Dead Inside Idaho House" incident.

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Law enforcement in Idaho said four people were found dead inside a house after a shooting on Sunday night. According to a report, Idaho State Police said a 31-year-old man was detained after officers were called to the scene in Kellogg. The Shoshone County Sheriff’s Office said a call was made at around 7:30 p.m. concerning “four people deceased from gunshot wounds.” “The suspect has been detained and there is no threat to the community,” the sheriff’s office wrote in a Facebook update. A person at the scene told 4 News Now the shooting had come after an ongoing dispute between neighbors, but police have not yet confirmed a motive for the shooting.
I guess they mean there's no threat to the community if you don't include all the right-wing nutjobs running around with guns in Idaho. I consider just being in Idaho to be threatening.
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I guess they mean there's no threat to the community if you don't include all the right-wing nutjobs running around with guns in Idaho. I consider just being in Idaho to be threatening.

I LOL'd at this after I read the accompanying headline in the story you linked.

At least 60 shot, 10 fatally, in Chicago weekend shootings

Imagine how much more dangerous Idaho would be if it was full of Illinois right-wing nut jobs.

ETA: those numbers include 3 mass shootings.
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Note that this is not a repeat of the last "Four People Found Shot Dead Inside Idaho House" incident.
The fact that this has to be said.
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Pre-planned mass-shooting? Im concerned.

Not pre-planned? Just another thug shooting other thugs.
The victims aren't necessarily thugs.

And they are still dead leaving behind wives, husbands, partners, parents and children.
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The victims aren't necessarily thugs.

And they are still dead leaving behind wives, husbands, partners, parents and children.
Unplanned mass-shootings are very different than the premeditated ones, where the guy wears body armor, has lots of magazines, wrote a manifesto, etc. Its silly to lump them all together as the same phenomenon.
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Unplanned mass-shootings are very different than the premeditated ones, where the guy wears body armor, has lots of magazines, wrote a manifesto, etc. Its silly to lump them all together as the same phenomenon.
It wasn't you not lumping them together that bothered me, it was you implying that unplanned mass shootings aren't concerning.
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Pre-planned mass-shooting? Im concerned.

Not pre-planned? Just another thug shooting other thugs.
Quite a few of these shootings happen at parties, and children are shot. They don't count as legit victims in your view? Well, obviously not. Better question: what trait do the child victims share that makes you "not concerned" about them?
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Unplanned mass-shootings are very different than the premeditated ones, where the guy wears body armor, has lots of magazines, wrote a manifesto, etc. Its silly to lump them all together as the same phenomenon.
But surely the pre-mediated shootings are far less common than those committed by uninvited party guests?
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I spent the weekend in Ephrata, in central Washington State. There was a mass shooting at a concert at the Gorge Amphitheater, about 20 miles west.
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Quite a few of these shootings happen at parties, and children are shot. They don't count as legit victims in your view? Well, obviously not. Better question: what trait do the child victims share that makes you "not concerned" about them?

Isn't it obvious? They are the children of 'thugs'.

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Isn't it obvious? They are the children of 'thugs'.

"Nits will be lice."

Cromwell in Ireland is a hero to look up to.
"Thug adjacent." *double finger guns*
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Quite a few of these shootings happen at parties, and children are shot. They don't count as legit victims in your view? Well, obviously not. Better question: what trait do the child victims share that makes you "not concerned" about them?
I am worried about preplanned random shootings by crazy people or terrorists. Unplanned mass-shootings by folks at a party? Not really my problem. Been going on long before Columbine.
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It wasn't you not lumping them together that bothered me, it was you implying that unplanned mass shootings aren't concerning.
They don't affect me. I wont be a victim of such an event.
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They don't affect me. I wont be a victim of such an event.
Probably not. But it’s not guaranteed, and if not you, it may be somebody you love.
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They don't affect me. I wont be a victim of such an event.
The possibility of being within stray bullet range of such an event (or just walking down a street when one happens) is just not a concern, huh? Did you catch the story about the baseball player who was hit with a bullet that wasn't even fired in the stadium?
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Party turned violent. Not pre-planned attack upon strangers.
What about that scenario screams "gang related" to you?
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The possibility of being within stray bullet range of such an event (or just walking down a street when one happens) is just not a concern, huh? Did you catch the story about the baseball player who was hit with a bullet that wasn't even fired in the stadium?
That's just crazy talk.

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Probably not. But it’s not guaranteed, and if not you, it may be somebody you love.
The only thing guaranteed in life is death and taxes.

Yes, I know.
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Four People Found Shot Dead Inside Idaho House

Note that this is not a repeat of the last "Four People Found Shot Dead Inside Idaho House" incident.
Apparently, we now know the motive:

Idaho Man Charged with Killing 4 Neighbors Says He 'Lost It' After Wife and Daughter Saw One Naked

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An Idaho man charged with murdering four of his neighbors has said he 'lost it' after one of them exposed himself to his wife and daughter, according to an affidavit in support of his arrest.

On Sunday evening, Majorjon Kaylor, 31, of Kellogg, Idaho, was arrested after the shooting, according to Idaho State Police, and has been charged with four counts of murder and one count of burglary.

The victims were identified by the coroner as Kenneth Guardipee, 65; his daughter Kenna Guardipee, 41; and her sons 18-year-old Devin Smith and 16-year-old Aiken Smith.
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Few details have been released about the shooting but Kaylor and the neighbors had a dispute several days before the murder.

According to law enforcement documents reviewed by PEOPLE, Kaylor’s family called the police to report that 18-year-old Devin Smith indecently exposed himself from his bedroom window in view of Kaylor's wife, Kaylie, and their daughters.

“We responded to the call, investigated the call, and the report was done that day and submitted to the prosecutor’s office for charges,” Kellogg Police Chief Paul Twidt told the Associated Press. “I stand by what my officer did, and he did everything he could at the time. Nobody could have foreseen anything like this.”

Law enforcement documents show that Kaylor and Kaylie got into an argument with their neighbors on Sunday evening about the alleged indecent exposure and lack of consequences for the accused son.

According to the affidavit, Kaylie told police she was standing near her husband when she heard gunshots and saw two of the victims fall to the ground.

Kaylie told police that Kaylor said he did what he had to do and to tell their kids he protected them, per the documents. Kaylor told authorities he "snapped" and "lost it" before refusing to talk and requesting a lawyer, according to the affidavit.
Because showing your penis to someone, perhaps accidentally, is worth a shooting, right?
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Saginaw, Michigan rings in this weekend with 2 killed, 12 wounded.

An argument at a "street party" led to a fight which turned into gunplay.

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At least 5 different caliber casings were found on scene by police.

Must've been the far-right superduper extremist Michigan militiamen i'm always hearing about.

https://midmichigannow.com/news/loca...ty-in-saginaw#
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Apparently, we now know the motive:

Idaho Man Charged with Killing 4 Neighbors Says He 'Lost It' After Wife and Daughter Saw One Naked

Because showing your penis to someone, perhaps accidentally, is worth a shooting, right?
That's bug-**** crazy. I mean, it sounds like it was inevitable that something was going to set this guy off, but how damaged by prudish morality do you have to be to think that slaughtering an entire family was warranted by a glimpse of some teenager's junk? He needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars.
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Lets let the news play out.
So, you can't offer any reason for assuming that it was a gang shooting. Seems like it was more of an uneducated guess.
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Apparently, we now know the motive:

Idaho Man Charged with Killing 4 Neighbors Says He 'Lost It' After Wife and Daughter Saw One Naked





Because showing your penis to someone, perhaps accidentally, is worth a shooting, right?

What were they doing looking through his window?
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Old 25th June 2023, 04:11 PM   #117
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Kansas City shooting leaves 3 people dead and 5 injured.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/25/us/mi...hooting-sunday
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Old 25th June 2023, 04:18 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
What were they doing looking through his window?
Seriously, this.

If people are peering into someone else's window, how the **** do they get to be outraged by what they see?

Surely it is not hard to respect other peoples' privacy and not perve through their windows?
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Seriously, this.

If people are peering into someone else's window, how the **** do they get to be outraged by what they see?

Surely it is not hard to respect other peoples' privacy and not perve through their windows?
As you say, IF.

We don't know the circumstances. Were they peering through the window with binoculars as the son was putting his clothes on, or was the son standing at the bedroom window overlooking the neighbour's yard fondling his dick?

That said, even deliberate exhibitionism doesn't merit being shot.
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Again people here are arguing about the type of shootings and killings rather than being appalled that they are happening at all! This kind of thing just doesn't happen with the same frequency in the rest of the (supposedly) civilized world. And for Hercules to adopt an "I'm all right Jack" stance to this is horrifying.
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