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Old 8th October 2023, 05:15 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Alas, I suspect Israel will raze Gaza almost to the ground, then occupy it permanently. Then build new Israeli settlements by the sea.

After the footage I have seen of the Palestinains and their Hostages, I would not blamew the Isrealis.
You pro Palestianin fanboys have just lost massive public support in the West.
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Old 8th October 2023, 05:27 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Alas, I suspect Israel will raze Gaza almost to the ground, then occupy it permanently. Then build new Israeli settlements by the sea.
I doubt Israel will go that far. However, they've already destroyed one, entire apartment tower in Gaza. That should tell you how this is going to go. I expect Israel is planning to kill and destroy until Hamas begs to give the hostages back. That probably won't work but that seems to be where this is heading.
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Old 8th October 2023, 05:27 PM   #43
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The hunt is underway for Mohammed Deif.

Israel needs to resolve not only the current hostage situation, but also the cases of Oren Shaul and Hadar Goldin. The International Red Cross should immediately set up a M.A.S.H unit and offer to accept all the hostages (alive, wounded, or dead) that HAMAS holds, including the remains of Goldin & Shaul, and administer the transfer of Gaza dead and wounded that Israel has.

The sooner the hostage part of this fiasco is handled, the quicker the 'Swords of Iron' campaign can wind down.
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Old 8th October 2023, 05:40 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I doubt Israel will go that far. However, they've already destroyed one, entire apartment tower in Gaza. That should tell you how this is going to go. I expect Israel is planning to kill and destroy until Hamas begs to give the hostages back. That probably won't work but that seems to be where this is heading.
The multi-story buildings were empty, having had a 'knock on the roof' warning by the IAF for everyone to evacuate prior to their destruction. (From what I saw, it was the array of antennas on the roof that was the intended target)

Gaza will need rebuilding, and HAMAS operating as a functioning government is unlikely to continue after this. It will be the Saudis and Egyptians who step in to fill the void, with the end goal of a NewState in an expanded area of Gaza.
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Old 8th October 2023, 05:58 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
The article does not support your claim of "no mitigating circumstances whatsoever".
I thought you were talking about a current event.
Since the Press is under special protection, it's not my obligation to prove that the journalist didn't deserve to get shot, it's up to the IDF and it's defenders to prove that they had a good reason.
Or prosecute the shooters.

They never do.

But maybe you want to present a credible scenario when a reporter outside any firefight can legitimately get killed.?
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Old 8th October 2023, 06:15 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
I also expect some moves against Iran and Lebanon. With US support, even participation. With Russia supporting Iran it already has ties to Ukraine war.
It has a potential to be big.
I don't think it makes sense to go into Lebanon or to attack Iran at this point. This attack was perpetrated by Hamas, and not Hizbollah.
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Old 8th October 2023, 06:21 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Since the Press is under special protection, it's not my obligation to prove that the journalist didn't deserve to get shot, it's up to the IDF and it's defenders to prove that they had a good reason.
Or prosecute the shooters.

They never do.

But maybe you want to present a credible scenario when a reporter outside any firefight can legitimately get killed.?
How is the 'Press' under any special protection inside a combat zone?
Did you watch the video of AlJazeera reporter Youma AlSayyed during her live broadcast, as the IAF sent 'roof knocking' warning to the adjacent high-rise building, prior to destroying it a slight time later?
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Old 8th October 2023, 06:29 PM   #48
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I don't think it makes sense to go into Lebanon or to attack Iran at this point. This attack was perpetrated by Hamas, and not Hizbollah.
Those Jihadists who sit in Lebanon made a little rocketing ruckus of their own earlier today, and were quickly responded-to by a fair amount of IDF artillery and tank fire. While their leadership proclaims their solidarity, they actually know the price Lebanon would pay if a full war involving them would occur.

Iran is thrilled at what happened. It took the entire conversation about Saudi reconciliation with Israel off the table.
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Old 8th October 2023, 06:30 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
After the footage I have seen of the Palestinains and their Hostages, I would not blamew the Isrealis.
You pro Palestianin fanboys have just lost massive public support in the West.
In my opinion, Israel has every right to invade Gaza and mete out severe punishments to Hamas while achieving their goals of reclaiming their citizens and destroying Hamas as a fighting force.

They would not be justified in razing Gaza to the ground and settling it.
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Old 8th October 2023, 06:30 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I don't think it makes sense to go into Lebanon or to attack Iran at this point. This attack was perpetrated by Hamas, and not Hizbollah.
It depends on how deeply Iran was invovled with this attack. Wall Street Journal just publiches an artical saying this was Iran's baby from the beginning.
And Iran has been a jaor supporter of HAMAS.
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Old 8th October 2023, 06:37 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
It depends on how deeply Iran was invovled with this attack. Wall Street Journal just publiches an artical saying this was Iran's baby from the beginning.
And Iran has been a jaor supporter of HAMAS.
The same article has US officials denying they have seen evidence of the link:

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U.S. officials say they haven’t seen evidence of Tehran’s involvement. In an interview with CNN that aired Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.”

“We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings.
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Old 8th October 2023, 07:29 PM   #52
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You fellows are very naive, Israel pays spies in Gaza, it is full of spies, their government and Biden knew the Hamas planified an attack, they say to themself so much the better it will give us a pretext to planify a genocide in Gaza. This was all planified by the cia and israelians months before came the attack. Nothing came by surprise.
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Old 8th October 2023, 07:33 PM   #53
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The grown ups are trying to have a discussion.
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Old 8th October 2023, 07:35 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
The same article has US officials denying they have seen evidence of the link:



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Byt you can bet US Intelliggence is trying to find out the extent of Iran;s involvment.
ANd I can tell you one thing;That Six Billion going to Iran is going to get frozen again.
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Old 8th October 2023, 07:35 PM   #55
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"Planify"?
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Old 8th October 2023, 07:49 PM   #56
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"Planify"?
A wordydurd popularistic with the childlingettes these days.
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Old 8th October 2023, 08:25 PM   #57
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I support the Palestinians because they are treated unfairly, if the Israelis were in the same situation as the Palestinians I would support the Israelis
When are you going to tell us that this is all happening because of money?
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Old 8th October 2023, 08:29 PM   #58
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You fellows are studid, the attack by the Hamas was planned with the collaboration of the cia and Israel agents, when there is a crime like that the cia is not far behind. It was planned to serve as a pretext for Netanyahu to commit a genocide in Gaza, to raze the city and to build luxery houses for israelis.

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Old 8th October 2023, 08:31 PM   #59
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You fellows are studid, the attack by the Hamas was planned with the collaboration the cia and Israel agents, when there is a crime like that the cia is not fat behind. It was planned to serve as a pretext for Netanyahu to commit a genocide in Gaza, to raze the city and to build luxery houses for israelis.
Oh my Christ!
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Old 8th October 2023, 08:51 PM   #60
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As usual I call troll. Nobody is this stupid ..
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As usual I call troll. Nobody is this stupid ..
Gaza is the city where there is the more Israeli secret agents by sq. foot, this is impossible that they didn't know, i don't buy that and the stupidities you say.
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Old 8th October 2023, 09:22 PM   #62
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As usual I call troll. Nobody is this stupid ..
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who genuinely believe this. A friend of mine who was very smart until he slid down the 9/11 Truther rabbit hole would always say this kind of thing. A car bomb would go off and actually be claimed by Hamas or Hizbollah, and yet he would insist that it was caused by Israeli helicopters, for example. All terrorist attacks were false flags. So too were earthquakes, and no doubt Covid, etc...

Nevermind, though, I won't be reading or responding to Gaeten from now on. There is no need to clutter up your day with nonsense like that.
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You fellows are very naive, Israel pays spies in Gaza, it is full of spies, their government and Biden knew the Hamas planified an attack, they say to themself so much the better it will give us a pretext to planify a genocide in Gaza. This was all planified by the cia and israelians months before came the attack. Nothing came by surprise.
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Israel vows "mighty vengeance" - headline on ABC News Australia.
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Oh my Christ!
This garbage is all over the net; only to be expected.
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Israel vows "mighty vengeance" - headline on ABC News Australia.
I can' tsee how Isreal stops untik HAMAS has been totally destoryed.
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Death tolls being reported on ABC TV:

Israel 700 dead
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Arguments from incredulity aside, there is a question of just how did Israel not see this one coming?

The number of rockets that had to be stockpiled ahead of this should not have escaped notice. Some of the militants needed to be trained on powered paragliders. They were likely not trained on those inside the strip.

This looks like a large scale intelligence failure by a govrenment led by an old general who is supposed to be tough on Israel's enemies. Looks more like they don't have any real leadership.

And then there is the US response. We don't have an ambassador to Israel because of one senator. We don't have a working House because of party not being able to get their crap together. And we are missing a lot of military leaders because another senator wants to play his own games.
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After the footage I have seen of the Palestinains and their Hostages, I would not blamew the Isrealis.
Yeah, been hearing some seriously disturbing and harrowing accounts of the Hamas attacks.
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As usual I call troll. Nobody is this stupid ..
No, sadly. Here in the US at least, heartland of QAnon and the Trumpist cult, that is an all too believable level of stupid.
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Israel didn't see this coming because it would have distracted from important things like preventing Bibi's trial or fast-Tracking new settlements.
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Those Jihadists who sit in Lebanon made a little rocketing ruckus of their own earlier today,
Which still killed people.
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The head Ayatollah of Iran just announce dhis support of HAMAS.
More and more I am beginning to hink that Iran just cannot be trusted
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i suspect we will get the first video tapes of the hostages from HAMAS in the next couple of days.
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I doubt Israel will go that far. However, they've already destroyed one, entire apartment tower in Gaza. That should tell you how this is going to go. I expect Israel is planning to kill and destroy until Hamas begs to give the hostages back. That probably won't work but that seems to be where this is heading.
Given that the IDF regularly engages in acts against civilians that even the 1 Paras would flinch away from, I reckon the highlighted bit isn't part of Israel's thinking at the moment.
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Israel didn't see this coming because it would have distracted from important things like preventing Bibi's trial or fast-Tracking new settlements.
I can't stand Bibi either, but it interesting you seem more interested in blasting Bini then condmeing the HAMAS BAarbarity.
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Given that the IDF regularly engages in acts against civilians that even the 1 Paras would flinch away from, I reckon the highlighted bit isn't part of Israel's thinking at the moment.
ANother case of somebody who blast Israel constantly, but seems reluctant to criticise Hamas.
And he is till fighting the Troubles in Ireland I see.
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Israel didn't see this coming because it would have distracted from important things like preventing Bibi's trial or fast-Tracking new settlements.
Or because they saw it as an opportunity. Or because they've been given free rein in Palestine for so long they believed it could never happen.
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I had a an idea what if Hamas was pushed into the attack by Iran so eventually th US would get involved and start some kind of war in the region, or just to start a war with Israel against other Muslim countries.
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Haven't post here in a while.
I had a an idea what if Hamas was pushed into the attack by Iran so eventually th US would get involved and start some kind of war in the region, or just to start a war with Israel against other Muslim countries.
I am told London Times says Iran is behind this.
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