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Old 9th February 2024, 03:32 PM   #81
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Trump Immigration policies were terrible and inhumane.
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Trump is not interested in doing anything to stop illegal immigration. Without it, his business demographic would have fewer people to exploit with lower wages and poor working conditions.

I hope no one thinks my complaints about Biden makes me pro-Trump. If I had to vote in person instead of by mail with Biden or Trump being my only choices, I would walk a mile barefoot on broken glass to vote for Biden instead of Trump. (yes that is hyperbole)
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Trump Immigration policies were terrible and inhumane.
Woah, look at those goalposts move.
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Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
Woah, look at those goalposts move.
Who is moving the goalpost? There is a difference between doing nothing and not doing something cruel, stupid and ineffective.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Yes he is.

But I think that Trump being the Republican standard bearer will result in damaging the nation or doing substantial damage to the Republican party. In fact, I'm convinced that at the leaders of the Democratic party absolutely love the idea of running against Trump and MAGA.
Then, in keeping with this thread, you should take the results of this report very serious. Biden wont make it to the election. He used to have good days once in a while, but not anymore.

If it ends up Biden and Trump come November, Trump will most certainly win.


I'd rather not have either one.
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Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
Woah, look at those goalposts move.
Really?

Your post #71

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Biden - or least his handlers in this sequel to Weekend at Bernie's - made a policy choice for an open boarder.
Trumps inhumane border policies being removed does not equal an open border.

In fact here are his executive orders. Please tell us which one flings the borders to completely open!

https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-...ive-actions/#1
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Old 9th February 2024, 04:02 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
We all know if Trump was president it wouldn't have happened. Biden - or least his handlers in this sequel to Weekend at Bernie's - made a policy choice for an open boarder. One of his first acts as president was to revoke Trump executive orders on immigration enforcement.
Hard to take arguments about border policy seriously from someone who doesn’t know how to spell “border”.
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Well dang, we can't charge him with anything without seeming to be utter Trumpsuckers so let's just do some low case passive/aggressive stuff to appease the big guy.
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
From the link I posted;


While Biden is not using it, it is being used as an excuse for not prosecuting him.
Okay so Biden didn’t use it as a defense like you originally claimed. Thank you for correcting your false assertion. Probably better to stick with the truth going forward.
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
Then, in keeping with this thread, you should take the results of this report very serious. Biden wont make it to the election. He used to have good days once in a while, but not anymore.

If it ends up Biden and Trump come November, Trump will most certainly win.


I'd rather not have either one.
I don't take this report seriously. It is nothing but a political hack job. He had nothing to support an actual prosecution but as a Republican, he felt he had to say something critical.
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Originally Posted by Fidelio View Post
Well dang, we can't charge him with anything without seeming to be utter Trumpsuckers so let's just do some low case passive/aggressive stuff to appease the big guy.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
Oct 7 was a major world event in a precarious area for US trade and security interests. I thought it was a very big deal.

What if it had been "China fires rockets into Taiwan and takes over global shipping lanes!!"

Then should Biden reschedule? or keep his good faith commitments?

What do you think?

ETA:
Inspired by an earthquake I just felt here (always weird)...
What if the San Andreas fault has the "Big One" and Southern California and about 20 million people, including the ports are all in disarray.
Wouldn't it be weird if he chose not to delay the voluntary meetings for that?
Dammit, I should have fixed those quote tags.

Anyway, the executive branch clearly has more than one person doing different tasks. Unless you have a specific criticism of how Biden conducted his response to October 7th, then your criticism that he also honoured his commitments to the investigation is worthless.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Yes he is.

But I think that Trump being the Republican standard bearer will result in damaging the nation or doing substantial damage to the Republican party. In fact, I'm convinced that at the leaders of the Democratic party absolutely love the idea of running against Trump and MAGA.
Hooray, the upside is we get a weaker opponent, the downside is we lose our democracy? Sheesh, the leaders of the Democratic party are fools. Or cynics.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Okay so Biden didn’t use it as a defense like you originally claimed. Thank you for correcting your false assertion. Probably better to stick with the truth going forward.
Accurate!
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Old 9th February 2024, 04:52 PM   #95
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It seems that Biden is going to get away with it by using the "elderly" defense. Pence used the "opps" defense. Trump is using the especially insane "those are mine" defense. ....[snipped]

I doubt I would get the same kind of treatment had I done what they did while I was in the US Navy.
I believe this was addressed. I'll add that your analogies are lacking substance. The docs Biden had were mixed in with his papers. They weren't security risks etc. etc.


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... I'm more worried that he might not be able to beat Haley if the GOP switches.
I'm not. She isn't doing that well.


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You are absolutely correct about Trump, except his judges being corrupt, they've mostly ruled against him, which is an odd sort of corruption.
Cough-Cannon-cough cough...
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You are also wrong and naive about Biden.

Especially on the border, the administration has spent three years ignoring the border. That's as much a fantasy as the notion that he isn't senile. I'm still voting for biden though.
I think you are agreeing Biden has not been ignoring the border? The GOP has been sabotaging all efforts to pass legislation and this isn't the first time they've done that. Remember the campaign to do everything to make Obama a one term POTUS?

Biden isn't senile. Honestly some of the people in this thread don't have much of a clue what senility looks like.


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i guess that was before the gop shot themselves in the foot on one of their few legitimate talking points and tanked the border deal on trump's order.



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These both seem to be weird criticisms. If he complied as scheduled that is actually a good thing. If he had decided to reschedule or not comply in some way then it would of course be used against him. And then the flak is not a lawyer?! Oh the humanity!

Anyway, I’ve already said that Biden is indeed painful to watch when he calls Sisi the president of Mexico (SG, it doesn’t help matters when you come late to the party and still try to spin things the wrong way by claiming he obviously meant Israel, because he didn’t! He meant Egypt!). Trump is far worse in every way, but I would be really surprised if Biden does much campaigning or extended interviews. Although Trump has been skipping the primary debates, I wonder what would happen if he challenged Biden to presidential debates. Trump would be his usually blistering self, I expect, and would probably make a million errors and BS his way through any debates, but in debates that tends to matter far less than the impression you give by your manner of speech. Would anyone be confident of a Biden-Trump debate now?
Re the highlighted, oh the humanity indeed. I'm not worried about not reading Biden's gaffe story carefully when it wasn't relevant to showing gaffes are not the equivalent of senility much as people in the thread would like them to be.

Let's just look at the gaffe problem:

MAGA Accused of Double Standards After Donald Trump, Mike Johnson Gaffes
Ignoring the Trump stuff already discussed enough to be getting off-topic...
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... Meanwhile, Johnson, the speaker of the House of Representatives, last week appeared to confuse Iran with Israel while appearing live on Meet the Press. ...
And there is this today:

Jesse Watters Bombards Joe Biden On His Mental Fitness ― And Then Karma Strikes
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But Watters, at 45, had a “senior moment” of his own.

After parading the likes of Kayleigh McEnany, Stephen Miller and Dana Perino to pile on the president, Watters welcomed another guest. “South Carolina Governor Kristi Noem joins us now,” he said. Noem, of course, is the Donald Trump-lovin’ governor of South Dakota.

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Well dang, we can't charge him with anything without seeming to be utter Trumpsuckers so let's just do some low case passive/aggressive stuff to appease the big guy.
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Then, in keeping with this thread, you should take the results of this report very serious. Biden wont make it to the election. He used to have good days once in a while, but not anymore.

If it ends up Biden and Trump come November, Trump will most certainly win.
Are you serious? No good days? What does that mean, he never makes a mistake? Or no days go by without a conservative media attack headline?

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Who is moving the goalpost? There is a difference between doing nothing and not doing something cruel, stupid and ineffective.
It's not cruel to enforce immigration and border policies. Most every other nation does that. For some reason it's considered bad in the USA to prioritize citizens over non-citizens. Enter Japan illegally and demand benefits. Let us know how it goes.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I don't take this report seriously. It is nothing but a political hack job. He had nothing to support an actual prosecution but as a Republican, he felt he had to say something critical.
It isnt Republicans going after Biden. Recall that his own people started this whole 'folders in the garage' thing in the first place. And didnt you see what they sent him out to yesterday? A gauntlet.

Biden staying in office and getting the nomination, and lasting til November is good for Republicans. That is the best scenario.
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It's not cruel to enforce immigration and border policies. Most every other nation does that. For some reason it's considered bad in the USA to prioritize citizens over non-citizens. Enter Japan illegally and demand benefits. Let us know how it goes.
The bolded isn't true except as a GOP false narrative.

Perhaps we should stop funding NASA until the border is closed with armed guards every 100 feet.

How about we stop funding any infrastructure until [fill in your own solution to the border problem/crisis].

I have an idea, force all those homeless people to harvest the crops, man the dishwashers in restaurants, and take over the yard maintenance that undocumented workers do now. Then we can deport every undocumented worker in the country right away.
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It isnt Republicans going after Biden. Recall that his own people started this whole 'folders in the garage' thing in the first place. And didnt you see what they sent him out to yesterday? A gauntlet.

Biden staying in office and getting the nomination, and lasting til November is good for Republicans. That is the best scenario.
I believe it was Biden wishing to not look like Trump and his collection of top secret documents.

Garland and his apparent desire to make sure no one can claim his DoJ is political that is a big part of the problem. He kept a MAGA-Trumper special prosecutor on and according to Claire McCaskill, Garland had the option of editing the report, taking out the irrelevant comments about Biden being a forgetful old man.

Guess Garland didn't want to be charged with pulling a Bill Barr coverup.
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The bolded isn't true except as a GOP false narrative.
Justice Department accuses SpaceX of hiring bias against refugees

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SpaceX officials said on numerous occasions between 2018 and last year that it could hire only U.S. citizens and green card holders because of restrictive export control laws which govern the use of rocket and missile technology. The federal government cited several cases in which the company made this assertion publicly and listed citizenship as a requirement in job postings, even though “export control laws impose no such hiring restrictions.”
Wouldn't it be neat of the USA government prioritized its own citizens over foreigners?

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Perhaps we should stop funding NASA until the border is closed with armed guards every 100 feet.

How about we stop funding any infrastructure until [fill in your own solution to the border problem/crisis].
The US has no problems sending billions to protect borders of foreign countries; but somehow there's just no money to protect its own.

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I have an idea, force all those homeless people to harvest the crops, man the dishwashers in restaurants, and take over the yard maintenance that undocumented workers do now. Then we can deport every undocumented worker in the country right away.
That's it. The elite class needs its servants. That's for making it clear.
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I'm not. She isn't doing that well.
She isn't. But what happens if Trump is convicted in New York? And the Republican party has to replace Trump?

I have read polls that has Biden beating Trump but losing to Haley. It's early and I don't put a lot of stake in these polls. Still, I think she has a better chance of beating Biden in a head to head match than Trump. Trump is damaged goods.
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Justice Department accuses SpaceX of hiring bias against refugees

Wouldn't it be neat of the USA government prioritized its own citizens over foreigners?

The US has no problems sending billions to protect borders of foreign countries; but somehow there's just no money to protect its own.

That's it. The elite class needs its servants. That's for making it clear.
Refugees are not illegal immigrants. They are here and need employment like anyone else. It would be just as wrong to discriminate against them as it would be to discriminate against anyone else.
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Refugees are not illegal immigrants. They are here and need employment like anyone else. It would be just as wrong to discriminate against them as it would be to discriminate against anyone else.
They are not greencard holders. But only citizens have to follow the rules. Non-citizens? Nah. The elite class hates you.
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Justice Department accuses SpaceX of hiring bias against refugees

Wouldn't it be neat of the USA government prioritized its own citizens over foreigners?
Yeah and wouldn't it be nice if we had started a couple of decades ago educating the tech force we need today instead of having to hire foreign educated workers?


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The US has no problems sending billions to protect borders of foreign countries; but somehow there's just no money to protect its own.
You seem to be missing the fact the US, the UK and the EU are trying to keep Russia from invading a sovereign country. Apparently he wants the resource rich half of Ukraine.


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That's it. The elite class needs its servants. That's for making it clear.
Nice cherry pick there. So it's only the elite class that eat crops harvested by undocumented workers?

You need to look into the lobbyists in DC who prefer to hire undocumented workers so they can pay them less. Maybe they are encouraging the GOP to block any comprehensive reform.
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She isn't. But what happens if Trump is convicted in New York? And the Republican party has to replace Trump?

I have read polls that has Biden beating Trump but losing to Haley. It's early and I don't put a lot of stake in these polls. Still, I think she has a better chance of beating Biden in a head to head match than Trump. Trump is damaged goods.
The current polls are useless. I have more important things to worry about like educating people what senility actually looks like.
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Facepalm.

If Biden had insisted on 1 term this **** could easily be forgotten. I'm afraid he could only get away with being the not-Trump candidate once.
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They are not greencard holders. But only citizens have to follow the rules. Non-citizens? Nah. The elite class hates you.
What the hell are you babbling about? They are refugees and they are here. Long time U.S. immigration law allows anyone granted refugee status the right to legally remain in the country without fear of deportation. They qualify to work, travel abroad and apply for their spouse or children under the age of 21 to join them.

That's the law. And it has been for decades. Our laws also prohibits employers from discriminating against refugees. As President, Biden is responsible for making sure the laws are enforced.
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The current polls are useless. I have more important things to worry about like educating people what senility actually looks like.
I agree with that.
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Okay so Biden didn’t use it as a defense like you originally claimed. Thank you for correcting your false assertion. Probably better to stick with the truth going forward.
My original claim was that another person was using it as a reason not to prosecute Biden. I did not claim in the OP that Biden was using his age as an excuse.
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
My original claim was that another person was using it as a reason not to prosecute Biden. I did not claim in the OP that Biden was using his age as an excuse.
You clearly implied that Biden was using it as an excuse, and had to be reminded that the “elderly” thing was itself used to make a political attack, not to because they wanted to be overly lenient with Biden. Here is how you backtracked…

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It seems that Biden is going to get away with it by using the "elderly" defense. .
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From the link I posted;


While Biden is not using it, it is being used as an excuse for not prosecuting him.
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Do you think they're getting treated like the little people or getting preferential treatment?
He wasn’t using the defence of elderly! And it wasn’t used as an excuse. It was used as an attack.
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....He wasn’t using the defence of elderly! And it wasn’t used as an excuse. It was used as an attack.
Cry me a river.

You still think you would get this kind of preferential treatment if you mishandled classified documents by bringing them to your unsecured home?

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Cry me a river.

You still think you would get this kind of preferential treatment if you mishandled classified documents by bringing them to your unsecured home?
I’m not the one crying. I’m pointing out your errors. You should thank me.
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Old 9th February 2024, 07:31 PM   #114
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Hooray, the upside is we get a weaker opponent, the downside is we lose our democracy? Sheesh, the leaders of the Democratic party are fools. Or cynics.
Yes, it’s the fault of Democrats that the Republican party has turned into a psychotic cult.

And this tired “weak candidate” argument always conveniently overlooks the numerous weak candidates that Republicans have thrown at Trump. Biden at least has a winning record against him.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I’m not the one crying. I’m pointing out your errors. You should thank me.
I know what errors I made. Not the first, will not be the last.
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Old 9th February 2024, 07:33 PM   #116
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
....And this tired “weak candidate” argument always conveniently overlooks the numerous weak candidates that Republicans have thrown at Trump. Biden at least has a winning record against him.
It is almost as if the GOP is throwing the election to Biden.
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
I know what errors I made. Not the first, will not be the last.
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Old 9th February 2024, 07:45 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
Cry me a river.

You still think you would get this kind of preferential treatment if you mishandled classified documents by bringing them to your unsecured home?
One of the Legal Eagle YouTube videos had a few historical examples of very similar conduct. Some showing how one could avoid being charged after having classified documents and some showing how one ends up charged. One of the key elements was who corrected the issue when. Biden had his staff proactively search for any documents they might have, just like Pence, and they proactively returned them. Another example started as a mistake, and it was the delay after discovery that led to charges iirc.
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
One of the Legal Eagle YouTube videos had a few historical examples of very similar conduct. Some showing how one could avoid being charged after having classified documents and some showing how one ends up charged. One of the key elements was who corrected the issue when. Biden had his staff proactively search for any documents they might have, just like Pence, and they proactively returned them. Another example started as a mistake, and it was the delay after discovery that led to charges iirc.
Yeah, people like Trump and Alex Jones have faced or are likely to face harsher consequences for what they do by their persistent refusal to cooperate and even to antagonize those who are going through big-standard procedures.

This should not be difficult to understand.
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Old 9th February 2024, 08:14 PM   #120
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
Cry me a river.

You still think you would get this kind of preferential treatment if you mishandled classified documents by bringing them to your unsecured home?
You're trying awfully hard to create a false equivalence between what Biden did with classified documents and what Trump did and it looks like is still doing with them.

This is akin to claiming Clinton mishandled classified information because she had emails and calendars of appointments on her blackberry. And Huma Abedin downloaded some to her husband's laptop she was apparently using.

Can you seriously not recognize the difference?
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