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shemp said:
I think some of H.L. Mencken's obituary of William Jennings Bryan would fit Trump perfectly today, just substituting "Trump" for "Bryan":
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But what of his life? Did he accomplish any useful thing? Was he, in his day, of any dignity as a man, and of any value to his fellow-men? I doubt it. [Trump], at his best, was simply a magnificent job-seeker. The issues that he bawled about usually meant nothing to him. He was ready to abandon them whenever he could make votes by doing so, and to take up new ones at a moment's notice. ... In his last great battle there was only a baleful and ridiculous malignancy. If he was pathetic, he was also disgusting.

[Trump] was a vulgar and common man, a cad undiluted. He was ignorant, bigoted, self-seeking, blatant and dishonest. His career brought him into contact with the first men of his time; he preferred the company of rustic ignoramuses. It was hard to believe... that he had traveled, that he had been received in civilized societies, that he had been a high officer of state. He seemed only a poor clod like those around him, deluded by a childish theology, full of an almost pathological hatred of all learning, all human dignity, all beauty, all fine and noble things. He was a peasant come home to the dung-pile. Imagine a gentleman, and you have imagined everything that he was not.
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That was exellent! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Your post inspired me to read a bit about Bryan. I knew he had been the Democratic Nominee against McKinley then Roosevelt and was famous for his "cross of gold" speech attacking the gold standard. As well as attacking evolution and the Scopes trial.

But I was unaware just how much of a charlatan and demagogue he was.

 
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Tero said:
Trump is hadling this badly. I don't think he knows what to do. He is preaching doom and gloom. The lighter material in his stand up is well worn insults.

Contrast this to Harris. I still can't say she is super at being charismatic and I did not like her speech back in 2020 debates and primaries. But Kamala will have a pretty good chance of convincing people that we are not screwed. After the pandemic and the post pandemic jerks and fits in the running of the world, she is the first one to announce that we are done with that. Done with trump, Biden sent to retirement. We can do this!
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I think she has come across as excited and invigorated. There is a lightness to her approach even when she is attacking. I haven't been a fan of her ads where she asks for money. But she has been (so far) fun to watch.
 
Garrison said:
I see also trump has hastily withdrawn from the next debate, usual nasty rhetoric from him excusing it but he's clearly running scared, without Biden's lacklustre performance in the first debate the coverage would all have been around his own gaffes and bizarre statements.
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Someone told him that when she was a prosecuting attorney, Harris had the raputation for being somebody a defense attorney hoped they would not have to go up against in court.She could shred a criminal;s defense pretty easy.
And those qualities would serve her well in a debate.
 
kookbreaker said:
Meh, Trump doesn’t want the company of rustic ignoramuses, he just likes to rile them up. He’s spent most of his life trying to suck up to the established rich and powerful.
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I have no doubt in private Trump has total contempt for a lot of his supporters. A con man always has contempt for his marks.
One reason Trump is such a bitter, hateful person is that his attempts to suck up to the establsihed rich and powerful have been a failure. He was always too crude and vulgar to fit in. They might do business with him, but he never got invited to the dinner parties.
 
angrysoba said:
Nobody cares.
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Perhaps not, but while I rarely find much in Chris's posts to agree with and would not be inclined to trust him with anything too important, his latest posts suggest a level of thoughtfulness not always seen, so let's be charitable. I mean, of course he might not be honest here, but let's imagine he is. In that case I think we can guarantee that a vote for Kennedy is taken away from Trump, not Harris. So yeah, Chris, I'd rather you had a political epiphany and decided to vote for Harris, but in the meantime, go for Kennedy, and do your best to convince your friends to switch over from Trump too. If you have the stomach for neither Harris nor Trump, and strongly value your ability to vote, it's the best alternative.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Wait for it...

Kamala Harris is using Beyoncé's "Freedom" as her campaign song.

'"Beyoncé gave permission to Harris to use [her song "Freedom"] on Tuesday, a campaign official confirmed to The Associated Press who was granted anonymity to discuss private campaign operations."

https://apnews.com/article/d575644248b9b609aafcd348f39146ef

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I heard Beyonce and Taylor Swift are considering doing a fundraising concert together for Harris. That would be epic.
 
stanfr said:
Meanwhile, by many measures the economy is booming:

CNN

Inflation down, and the post covid recession that most pundits, and of course Donald Trump, hoped and believed would crush us never materialized.

Stock market, which Trump insisted would crash under Biden, has soared.

Im still in pain at the grocery checkout, but as a retail shop owner I can attest that while people are spend-wary, they are still spending.

The traditional wisdom that a growing economy predicts the winner of an election would suggest that Dems will win big, especially for the presidency when the GOP candidate is insane and old.

Yet, it still appears to be a tight race, which is quite puzzling and disturbing, it suggests the scam of numerous lies told by right wing media and general distrust in government has had a profound effect. Hopefully Harris or whoever will take them to task for all the nonsense.
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Amazon's Prime Day set a new record in sales. Apparently there's a good bit of money out there going to retail.
 
angrysoba said:
I suppose Hulk Hogan and Dana White are also “immensely popular”. In fact Joe Rogan, while he is not an open supporter of Trump, is very popular.

I expect they get a lot of criticism from Democrats.
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Hulk Hogan openly admits he hates black people and Dana White is a wife beater. Whomever decided to put them on the stage with Trump is an idiot. Unless it was a conscious decision to appeal to racists and misogynists.
 
From an outside perspective it seems the US has two choices.
A party that wants to protect and expand the rights of the citizens of the US (even those you might not like).
And a party that wants to remove the rights of everyone they don't like (which might include you).
 
bruto said:
Perhaps not, but while I rarely find much in Chris's posts to agree with and would not be inclined to trust him with anything too important, his latest posts suggest a level of thoughtfulness not always seen, so let's be charitable. I mean, of course he might not be honest here, but let's imagine he is. In that case I think we can guarantee that a vote for Kennedy is taken away from Trump, not Harris. So yeah, Chris, I'd rather you had a political epiphany and decided to vote for Harris, but in the meantime, go for Kennedy, and do your best to convince your friends to switch over from Trump too. If you have the stomach for neither Harris nor Trump, and strongly value your ability to vote, it's the best alternative.
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It's probably worth noting that the poster in question is mikegriffith1, not one of the Chris username posters here.
 
I let these historians explain why Trump will lose:

I say, Blackadder, what a ghastly squit! - He's not going to win, is he? -
No, sir.
Because, firstly, we shall fight this campaign on issues, not personalities.
Secondly, we shall be the only fresh thing on the menu.
And thirdly, of course, we'll cheat.​
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I know the Vance boy is new to this whole politics thing, and he suffers from an intellectual deficit. But did he really just break the first rule of all politics everywhere? You don't **** with the cat people.
 
Craig4 said:
I know the Vance boy is new to this whole politics thing, and he suffers from an intellectual deficit. But did he really just break the first rule of all politics everywhere? You don't **** with the cat people.
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Yes but as someone else pointed out, have you seen what cats do to sofas?
 
Land Slade?

Had he really forgotten Landslide?

Trump seems to be making up words and using them and gibberish noises to replace words that have left his vocabulary.
 
Worry about the battleground states. But also worry about low information voters. Why do they bother to vote? Some sort of duty to their social group?

Current enthsiasm. It all lasts about a month to settle down to usual trenches. By the time of the election the low information voter will decide on a random news item like the Comey laptop that he brought out to kill crooked Hillary the last day.
 
Samson said:
This new woman has a low range IQ, possibly 120.
She was the only black woman in range for Biden.
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Racist MAGA talking points. How very unsuprising that you're echoing this ugly drivel.

This is dangerous to me, marvelous for you.
Of course you won't read my post on Ayaan Hirsi Ali who is a black woman of infinite merit. She just said this a few minutes ago from my inbox

"Yet there has been a palpable thaw in what can and can’t be said. Perhaps it was the failed assassination attempt against Donald Trump which exposed the dangerous game of comparing someone to Hitler for years on end and then pretending to be surprised when someone tries to rid the world of evil. Trump’s brush with death posed the following question in stark terms: if Trump is Hitler, as progressives and Democrats have been saying for nearly a decade, and killing Hitler is just and necessary, then why did Biden and others not welcome the attempt to murder him? President Biden’s stated instead: “I’m grateful to hear that he’s safe and doing well… There’s no place for this kind of violence in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it.” So the Hitler comparison was—of course—a sham.

Perhaps the thaw is a consequence of Musk’s takeover of X, which saw an opening up of taboo subjects following years of censorship by progressive moderators."
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She's as clueless as you are. The shooter wasn't motivated by politics. He intended to shoot either candidate, depending on opportunity.

"Infinite merit". Picture a large pack of laughing dogs.
 
Trump has his base, some 35% of the voters, and they will vote for Trump no matter what. But now that he is losing poll by poll, there will be no sympathy votes for Trump. The bullet did not ruin his ear. The jail thing...nothing. No bounce at polls in September.

Basically Trump can only be weakened by anything that would lead voters to feel sorry for him.

After the election the Democrats can then design the perfect retirement plan for Trump. Maybe 10 years of community service at the Florida/NJ soup kitchen.
 
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Usha Vance told friends Trump appalled her. Now she’s working to elect him.

Nicole MarkusJuly 27, 2024 at 6:00 a.m.

During her rise through America’s most prestigious schools, law firms and judicial clerkships, Usha Vance rarely — if ever — volunteered her opinions on the nation’s bitterly partisan politics to friends and colleagues.

But she did express revulsion at former president Donald Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, 2021.

Vance told friends she was outraged by Trump’s incitement of the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol and lamented the social breakdown that fueled his political support, according to one friend, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive conversations. Her view at the time contrasts with the later pronouncements of her husband and Trump’s newly minted running mate, JD Vance, who has downplayed the storming of the Capitol and called participants who were jailed “political prisoners.”

“Usha found the incursion on the Capitol and Trump’s role in it to be deeply disturbing,” the friend recalled. “She was generally appalled by Trump, from the moment of his first election.”

Speaking the morning after Usha Vance introduced her husband at the Republican National Convention and watched his speech from the same VIP box as Trump, the friend added, “It was surreal to see her sitting next to him last night.”

That sensation is widely shared among her friends, former co-workers and fellow alumni, more than two dozen of whom spoke to The Washington Post for this story. Some watched in disbelief on July 17 when Usha Vance, 38, addressed an overwhelmingly White crowd on the convention floor that tittered uneasily as she joked about her husband learning to cook Indian food and audibly gasped when she mentioned her vegetarian diet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/27/usha-vance-trump-jan6/
 
“Judusha” is an act. They are nothing but pure opportunists without core conviction or values. Most of us see right through them
 
Tero said:
Trump has his base, some 35% of the voters, and they will vote for Trump no matter what. But now that he is losing poll by poll, there will be no sympathy votes for Trump. The bullet did not ruin his ear. The jail thing...nothing. No bounce at polls in September.

Basically Trump can only be weakened by anything that would lead voters to feel sorry for him.
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That's exactly right.

Because he has no idea of how to cope with a woman or defeat he is doubling down on the stupid, like telling the evangelicals they won't need to vote again after he's president. That might be music to their ears, but it will turn off some of his less-insane voters. He's desperate and clutching at straws, but all he's going to do is continue to give reasons for the vast majority of non-MAGA out there to go and vote against him.

Fox News just released a poll showing Harris making good ground, and out of curiosity I had a look at RealClearPolitics front page to see what the right is saying, and they got nothing.

A couple of weeks ago, articles on why Biden is the devil who must be thrown out dominated, but they have no idea how to attack Harris. The most meaningful headline on the site was by Newt Gingrich, telling Republicans to beware of Harris.
 
What Trump has to worry about is that things will only gather momentum and if he starts to slide in the polls he's had it.
 
Seen on twitter

JD Vance is the Sarah Palin of Dan Quayles.

Trump couldn't have picked a better candidate if his secret plan is to lose the election.
 
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