Solidarity with Denmark

David Swidler · 5th February 2006, 06:33 AM

It's the equivalent of a historical urban legend, but the story goes that when the Nazis occupied Denmark and mandated that Jews wear the yellow star, King Christian X put one on, and encouraged his gentile subjects to do the same. True or not, it illustrates the attitude that the Danish had, and the balls they had for standing up to the SS - the Danish resistance smuggled a good chunk of the Jewish population into Sweden on a single night.

As a Jew, I want to reciprocate in whatever small way I can and support Denmark. Any ideas that can be implemented by little old me, here in Israel where we have a front seat to all this madness?

Ryokan · 5th February 2006, 07:00 AM

I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the support of Denmark and Norway in this crisis. We are not used to being the center of attention, and action, in a situation of this magnitude (at least not since 1066).

So thank you for all the support, and all the Danish and Norwegian flags. I sincerely hope this madness blows over soon.

RandFan · 5th February 2006, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the support of Denmark and Norway in this crisis. We are not used to being the center of attention, and action, in a situation of this magnitude (at least not since 1066).

So thank you for all the support, and all the Danish and Norwegian flags. I sincerely hope this madness blows over soon.

Understood. We're with you.

The_Fire · 5th February 2006, 07:23 AM

It's nice to know that Denmark have support out there.

Thank you very much.

Ryokan · 5th February 2006, 07:25 AM

(wrong thread)

Skeptic · 5th February 2006, 07:33 AM

The story goes that when the Nazis occupied Denmark and mandated that Jews wear the yellow star, King Christian X put one on, and encouraged his gentile subjects to do the same.

There is also a story that when asked by the Nazis if he agrees that Denmark has a jewish problem, he said that it doesn't: the Danes insist on considering themselves absolutely equal, in achievement and intelligence, to the jews amongst them.

Both of these stories are almost certainly not true--as is undestandable, since being such a wise@$$ in real life with Nazi generals could lead to horrible consequences not only to the king himself but to the jewish Danes.

What IS true, however, is that the Danes bravely saved as many jews as they could despite dire Nazi threats, which is of course far more important.

zenith-nadir · 5th February 2006, 08:05 AM

I got your back against the Islamic fundamentalists Denmark. The cat is out of the bag now, exposed for the entire world to see.

If they - the fundamentalists - had their way Israel would be destroyed and we would all be living under Shahira Law with religious police, censorship and no room whatsoever for satire in any form.

vbloke · 5th February 2006, 08:14 AM

Like I've said in other threads, these cartoons were published in September

Why is all this happening now? the whole thing seems orchestrated to me.

Mark · 5th February 2006, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by zenith-nadir

I got your back against the Islamic fundamentalists Denmark. The cat is out of the bag now, exposed for the entire world to see.

If they - the fundamentalists - had their way Israel would be destroyed and we would all be living under Shahira Law with religious police, censorship and no room whatsoever for satire in any form.

I have always been a staunch supporter of Israel...but at the same time felt that they needed---in their own best interest---to try harder not to provoke their Muslim neighbors. No more. These people are this upset over a bloody cartoon fer chrissake!!!!!!!!! One that I guarantee most of them have never even seen.

Muslims as a group will not be appeased until everyone else either converts or is dead. There is simply no way to reach out to these cultural knotheads. Israel needs to do whatever they need to do to survive. And we all need to get serious about finding an alternative to oil so we can tell these 14th century cretins to go play in the sand and just kill each other over any minor slights to their flabby little heart's content.

Johnny Pixels · 5th February 2006, 08:19 AM

I wasn't going to take sides, but I've made my mind up after the burning of embassies yesterday. If you're offended then by all means complain, but don't go destroying things and endangering life.

Lisa Simpson · 5th February 2006, 08:24 AM

What we need is for our Danish and Norwegian forumites to post the names of companies that export their products worldwide.

I am drinking my coffee this morning out of a glass made by Bodum, originally a Danish company, but now located in Switzerland. It doesn't seem to count to me.

shemp · 5th February 2006, 08:29 AM

I hereby throw my support behind Denmark and all Danes! (even if they are smelly little wankers

) And I encourage all of you to eat Norwegian sardines and kippered herring three times a day! (You may wish to invest in some mouthwash too.)

kmortis · 5th February 2006, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

I hereby throw my support behind Denmark and all Danes! (even if they are smelly little wankers

) And I encourage all of you to eat Norwegian sardines and kippered herring three times a day! (You may wish to invest in some mouthwash too.)

Shemp, I hate sardines. Can I just have my avatar modified instead? I promise to read Hamlet this month.

The_Fire · 5th February 2006, 08:38 AM

Ok, heres a little thing.
This is a seachable database on danish exporters. Simply indput what you want and a series of compagnies should pop up, adresses etc.

http://www.danishexporters.dk

And then there is this:

http://www.export-denmark.dk/websiteuk.htm

Granted, its mainly the buisness oriented part of the population, whom are targeted by this, but it should give you some idea on what you are buying if you take a look at the manufacturer of the product.

Perforatu · 5th February 2006, 09:02 AM

I was looking for an excuse to get back into LEGO anyhow.

zenith-nadir · 5th February 2006, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Perforatu

I was looking for an excuse to get back into LEGO anyhow.

Try this, you won't be dissapointed.

webfusion · 5th February 2006, 09:09 AM

vbloke mentions:
"Why is all this happening now? the whole thing seems orchestrated to me.

Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. "We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide," said Abu Laban.

Mark · 5th February 2006, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by webfusion

vbloke mentions:
"Why is all this happening now? the whole thing seems orchestrated to me.

Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. "We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide," said Abu Laban.

OK, Abu, we realize it was insulting to you. Now ****** off. And try to develop a hobby or something.

RandFan · 5th February 2006, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mark

OK, Abu, we realize it was insulting to you. Now ****** off. And try to develop a hobby or something.

Damn beat me to the punch. Yeah, we get that it is insulting.

John de Combe · 5th February 2006, 09:46 AM

Denmark has always been one of my favourite countries.

Not only was my favourite toy Danish, but my favourite computer game - "Citadel" by Michael Jakobsen and Lars Osterballe from for the BBC B.

One of my favourite comedians, the brilliant Sandi Toksvig, is Danish too.

(Incidentally, when the loonies have been burning the Danish flag, haven't they been burning a cross... ...shows how much they care about religious tolerance)

Ryokan · 5th February 2006, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by John de Combe

(Incidentally, when the loonies have been burning the Danish flag, haven't they been burning a cross... ...shows how much they care about religious tolerance)

The Danish flag is based on a Crusader uniform, so in some ways, it's not that inappropriate.

Mark · 5th February 2006, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

The Danish flag is based on a Crusader uniform, so in some ways, it's not that inappropriate.

The Crusades were evil. They were also a thousand years ago. Any culture that can stay violently angry that long is not worthy of the term culture.

The_Fire · 5th February 2006, 10:07 AM

Computer game oriented: Hitman and Hitman 2 are danish as well.......

Dr Adequate · 5th February 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by David Swidler

It's the equivalent of a historical urban legend, but the story goes that when the Nazis occupied Denmark and mandated that Jews wear the yellow star, King Christian X put one on, and encouraged his gentile subjects to do the same. True or not, it illustrates the attitude that the Danish had, and the balls they had for standing up to the SS - the Danish resistance smuggled a good chunk of the Jewish population into Sweden on a single night.

From snopes :

Quote:

A Swedish newspaper cartoon (possibly the origin of this legend) depicted the monarch talking with the former Danish prime minster, who asks him, "What are we going to do, Your Majesty, if Scavenius makes all the Jews wear yellow stars?" (Erik Scavenius was the Danish foreign minister who became prime minister at the insistence of the Germans after the Danish government resigned in 1943.) The king responds by asserting, "We'll all have to wear yellow stars."

In fact, no such yellow star decree was ever passed, so it didn't come to that.

However:

Quote:

In fact King Christian rejected many aspects of the occupation, made speeches against the occupying force and became known as a protector of the Jews.

In December 1941, after an arson at the synagogue in Copenhagen, he sent a letter of sympathy to Rabbi Marcus Melchior.
]Here

Stuff which is probably true:

Quote:

Another popular story, generally accepted as truth, concerned Christian's resistance to the flying of the Nazi flag over Christiansborg Castle, home of the Danish Rigsdag, during the occupation. According to the story, the king summoned a senior Nazi general and instructed him to remove the flag. When the general refused to do so, Christian declared, "A Danish soldier will remove it." The German officer said that such a soldier would be shot. The king's reply was "I think not. For I shall be that soldier." The general immediately ordered the removal of the flag. Wikipedia

Stuff which is definitely true:

Quote:

In 1942, Adolf Hitler sent the king a long telegram congratulating him on his 72nd birthday. The king's reply telegram was a mere Meinen besten Dank. Chr. Rex (English: My thanks. King Christian). This perceived (and no doubt deliberate) slight greatly outraged Hitler and he immediately recalled his ambassador from Copenhagen and expelled the Danish ambassador from Germany.

I suppose the name of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg takes a lot of living up to. But history will never forget it.

The thing that Danes actually wore as a symbol of resistance during the Nazi occupation was called a kongemærket ("King's Mark") --- see my avatar.

Ryokan · 5th February 2006, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

The thing that Danes actually wore as a symbol of resistance during the Nazi occupation was called a kongemærket ("King's Mark") --- see my avatar.

The Norwegian symbol of resistance was the binder, i.e. saying 'we're sticking together'.

Wearing a symbol of the king would get you shot.

The_Fire · 5th February 2006, 10:36 AM

If I remember correctly, I once read in a history book that Christian 10th were put in house arrest in Amalienborg and promptly decided to take a ride on his horse everyday.

Ask a Dane to do something, they might.
Tell them, they resist, but, if they see the point, ultimately do it.
Threaten them and they do the oppersite.

Something our own politicians should have remembered during the Mastricht Treaty (EU ammendment) votes. And the reason why entertainer Jacob Haugsgaard got voted into parliament against his will......

monoman · 5th February 2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by John de Combe

Denmark has always been one of my favourite countries.

Not only was my favourite toy Danish, but my favourite computer game - "Citadel" by Michael Jakobsen and Lars Osterballe from for the BBC B.

One of my favourite comedians, the brilliant Sandi Toksvig, is Danish too.

(Incidentally, when the loonies have been burning the Danish flag, haven't they been burning a cross... ...shows how much they care about religious tolerance)

I remember that - top down display with some great scrolling. I think it had some synthasized speech as well saying "citadel....citadel...citadel"? Quality!

Did you know Sandi Tosksvig spent most of her youth in america and speaks with an american accent when over there?

Cylinder · 5th February 2006, 11:32 AM

What would be the appropriate type of flower to send to the Danish embassy?

Does Denmark have a national flower?

The_Fire · 5th February 2006, 11:50 AM

Its the Marquerite allthough the Daisy have a value as well since it's connected to our queens nickname.
The most popular flower is, from a sentimental viewpoint, ironicly, the Dandelion/Milk Govan.

Otherwise simply go with a "Language of the flowers" type of thing.

Edit: Clarification

Mycroft · 5th February 2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mark

The Crusades were evil. They were also a thousand years ago. Any culture that can stay violently angry that long is not worthy of the term culture.

Not only that, but the crusades were mutual. Christendom fought to stem the spread of Islam, but Islam fought to spread Islam as well.

Also, by any reasonable measure, Islam won the crusades.

a_unique_person · 5th February 2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the support of Denmark and Norway in this crisis. We are not used to being the center of attention, and action, in a situation of this magnitude (at least not since 1066).

So thank you for all the support, and all the Danish and Norwegian flags. I sincerely hope this madness blows over soon.

The people supporting you now include many who were attacking the EU at every turn only a moment ago.

Ryokan · 5th February 2006, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

The people supporting you now include many who were attacking the EU at every turn only a moment ago.

Well, my country isn't a member of the EU, anyway

a_unique_person · 5th February 2006, 04:07 PM

Touche. Europe, then.

The_Fire · 5th February 2006, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Well, my country isn't a member of the EU, anyway

Nah, you guys were smart enough, unlike Denmark in the 70'ties when it was still called EF, to stay out.
At least we got to keep our own currency....After beating our politicians over the head a couple of times....

Johnny Pixels · 5th February 2006, 06:16 PM

Hold on a minute!

Quote:

Denmark 4-1 England

Denmark scored three goals in seven second-half minutes as England were humiliated in their final game before their World Cup qualifier in Wales.

Nooooooooooooooooooo! Damn you Denmark!

ysabella · 5th February 2006, 06:37 PM

I guess we could all buy Danish feta cheese, but what is it labeled as now that the Greeks got angry? "Feta Fantasie"? "Danish Greek-Style Cheese"?

kittynh · 5th February 2006, 06:42 PM

reminds me of when they tried to make a movie about the life of the Prophet.

The closest they could come to showing HIM was his camel stick. So every now and again the movie would cut to ....a camel stick. The main character had to be HIS uncle, as HIS closer relatives could not be shown. Anthony Quinn played the uncle...

Even though if I remember Libya was the main financer of the movie, it lead to rioting all over the world. The movie makers wanted to build a replica of Mecca also, that didn't go over well (the Muslim leaders were afraid a replica would become a place of worship, like their faithfull couldn't tell the difference...)

It was also one awful movie.

må vi al være omkostningsfrit

Ed · 5th February 2006, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the support of Denmark and Norway in this crisis. We are not used to being the center of attention, and action, in a situation of this magnitude (at least not since 1066).

So thank you for all the support, and all the Danish and Norwegian flags. I sincerely hope this madness blows over soon.

A pleasure.

Ed · 5th February 2006, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cylinder

What would be the appropriate type of flower to send to the Danish embassy?

Does Denmark have a national flower?

Now that is a good idea.

Kaylee · 5th February 2006, 07:10 PM

Someone started a petition to support the Danish newspaper -- Jyllands Posten
http://www.petitiononline.com/danmark/petition.html

I signed it but I would like to do more. Any suggestions? Anyone know of any demonstrations being scheduled to show support for the Danes and the other European countries?

The only thing I can think of for now is to write an e-mail to my senators and representative. So far I think the only public comments by the USA State department has been to show understanding to the Muslims about their reaction to the cartoons and nothing about the assaults to Denmark's freedoms. Completely unacceptable.

I've been doing some reading since these posts and this has been going on for a long time. Theo Van Gogh (a Danish film director) was killed in 2004, a Danish parliament member, Geert Wilders, had been under death threats, an instructor at one of the Danish Universities, Carsten Niebuhr Institute was beaten for reading excerpts from the Koran to non-Muslims -- the list just goes on and on.

5th February 2006, 06:33 AM	#1
David Swidler Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 8,297	Solidarity with Denmark It's the equivalent of a historical urban legend, but the story goes that when the Nazis occupied Denmark and mandated that Jews wear the yellow star, King Christian X put one on, and encouraged his gentile subjects to do the same. True or not, it illustrates the attitude that the Danish had, and the balls they had for standing up to the SS - the Danish resistance smuggled a good chunk of the Jewish population into Sweden on a single night. As a Jew, I want to reciprocate in whatever small way I can and support Denmark. Any ideas that can be implemented by little old me, here in Israel where we have a front seat to all this madness?

5th February 2006, 07:07 AM	#3
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 60,135	Originally Posted by Ryokan I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the support of Denmark and Norway in this crisis. We are not used to being the center of attention, and action, in a situation of this magnitude (at least not since 1066). So thank you for all the support, and all the Danish and Norwegian flags. I sincerely hope this madness blows over soon. Understood. We're with you.
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5th February 2006, 07:23 AM	#4
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,267	It's nice to know that Denmark have support out there. Thank you very much.
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5th February 2006, 07:25 AM	#5
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5th February 2006, 07:33 AM	#6
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 18,312	The story goes that when the Nazis occupied Denmark and mandated that Jews wear the yellow star, King Christian X put one on, and encouraged his gentile subjects to do the same. There is also a story that when asked by the Nazis if he agrees that Denmark has a jewish problem, he said that it doesn't: the Danes insist on considering themselves absolutely equal, in achievement and intelligence, to the jews amongst them. Both of these stories are almost certainly not true--as is undestandable, since being such a wise@$$ in real life with Nazi generals could lead to horrible consequences not only to the king himself but to the jewish Danes. What IS true, however, is that the Danes bravely saved as many jews as they could despite dire Nazi threats, which is of course far more important.
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5th February 2006, 07:00 AM	#2
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 10,815	I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the support of Denmark and Norway in this crisis. We are not used to being the center of attention, and action, in a situation of this magnitude (at least not since 1066). So thank you for all the support, and all the Danish and Norwegian flags. I sincerely hope this madness blows over soon.

5th February 2006, 08:05 AM	#7
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,482	I got your back against the Islamic fundamentalists Denmark. The cat is out of the bag now, exposed for the entire world to see. If they - the fundamentalists - had their way Israel would be destroyed and we would all be living under Shahira Law with religious police, censorship and no room whatsoever for satire in any form.

5th February 2006, 08:14 AM	#8
vbloke Disturbing shirts Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 717	Like I've said in other threads, these cartoons were published in September Why is all this happening now? the whole thing seems orchestrated to me.
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5th February 2006, 08:18 AM	#9
Mark Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by zenith-nadir I got your back against the Islamic fundamentalists Denmark. The cat is out of the bag now, exposed for the entire world to see. If they - the fundamentalists - had their way Israel would be destroyed and we would all be living under Shahira Law with religious police, censorship and no room whatsoever for satire in any form. I have always been a staunch supporter of Israel...but at the same time felt that they needed---in their own best interest---to try harder not to provoke their Muslim neighbors. No more. These people are this upset over a bloody cartoon fer chrissake!!!!!!!!! One that I guarantee most of them have never even seen. Muslims as a group will not be appeased until everyone else either converts or is dead. There is simply no way to reach out to these cultural knotheads. Israel needs to do whatever they need to do to survive. And we all need to get serious about finding an alternative to oil so we can tell these 14th century cretins to go play in the sand and just kill each other over any minor slights to their flabby little heart's content.
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5th February 2006, 08:19 AM	#10
Johnny Pixels Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,389	I wasn't going to take sides, but I've made my mind up after the burning of embassies yesterday. If you're offended then by all means complain, but don't go destroying things and endangering life.

5th February 2006, 08:24 AM	#11
Lisa Simpson Guest Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 21,839	What we need is for our Danish and Norwegian forumites to post the names of companies that export their products worldwide. I am drinking my coffee this morning out of a glass made by Bodum, originally a Danish company, but now located in Switzerland. It doesn't seem to count to me.
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5th February 2006, 08:29 AM	#12
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Where the Old Man of the Mountain used to stand Posts: 58,410	I hereby throw my support behind Denmark and all Danes! (even if they are smelly little wankers ) And I encourage all of you to eat Norwegian sardines and kippered herring three times a day! (You may wish to invest in some mouthwash too.)
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5th February 2006, 08:37 AM	#13
kmortis Biomechanoid Director of IDIOCY (Region 13) Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Texas (aka SOMD) Posts: 32,150	Originally Posted by shemp I hereby throw my support behind Denmark and all Danes! (even if they are smelly little wankers ) And I encourage all of you to eat Norwegian sardines and kippered herring three times a day! (You may wish to invest in some mouthwash too.) Shemp, I hate sardines. Can I just have my avatar modified instead? I promise to read Hamlet this month.
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5th February 2006, 08:38 AM	#14
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,267	Ok, heres a little thing. This is a seachable database on danish exporters. Simply indput what you want and a series of compagnies should pop up, adresses etc. http://www.danishexporters.dk And then there is this: http://www.export-denmark.dk/websiteuk.htm Granted, its mainly the buisness oriented part of the population, whom are targeted by this, but it should give you some idea on what you are buying if you take a look at the manufacturer of the product.
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5th February 2006, 09:02 AM	#15
Perforatu Thinker Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 171	I was looking for an excuse to get back into LEGO anyhow.
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5th February 2006, 09:05 AM	#16
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,482	Originally Posted by Perforatu I was looking for an excuse to get back into LEGO anyhow. Try this, you won't be dissapointed.

5th February 2006, 09:09 AM	#17
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,735	vbloke mentions: "Why is all this happening now? the whole thing seems orchestrated to me. Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. "We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide," said Abu Laban.
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5th February 2006, 09:22 AM	#18
Mark Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by webfusion vbloke mentions: "Why is all this happening now? the whole thing seems orchestrated to me. Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. "We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide," said Abu Laban. OK, Abu, we realize it was insulting to you. Now ****** off. And try to develop a hobby or something.
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5th February 2006, 09:26 AM	#19
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 60,135	Originally Posted by Mark OK, Abu, we realize it was insulting to you. Now ****** off. And try to develop a hobby or something. Damn beat me to the punch. Yeah, we get that it is insulting.
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5th February 2006, 09:46 AM	#20
John de Combe Scholar Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 106	Denmark has always been one of my favourite countries. Not only was my favourite toy Danish, but my favourite computer game - "Citadel" by Michael Jakobsen and Lars Osterballe from for the BBC B. One of my favourite comedians, the brilliant Sandi Toksvig, is Danish too. (Incidentally, when the loonies have been burning the Danish flag, haven't they been burning a cross... ...shows how much they care about religious tolerance)
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5th February 2006, 09:49 AM	#21
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 10,815	Originally Posted by John de Combe (Incidentally, when the loonies have been burning the Danish flag, haven't they been burning a cross... ...shows how much they care about religious tolerance) The Danish flag is based on a Crusader uniform, so in some ways, it's not that inappropriate.

5th February 2006, 09:51 AM	#22
Mark Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,515	Originally Posted by Ryokan The Danish flag is based on a Crusader uniform, so in some ways, it's not that inappropriate. The Crusades were evil. They were also a thousand years ago. Any culture that can stay violently angry that long is not worthy of the term culture.
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5th February 2006, 10:07 AM	#23
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,267	Computer game oriented: Hitman and Hitman 2 are danish as well.......
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5th February 2006, 10:23 AM	#24
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 17,766	Originally Posted by David Swidler It's the equivalent of a historical urban legend, but the story goes that when the Nazis occupied Denmark and mandated that Jews wear the yellow star, King Christian X put one on, and encouraged his gentile subjects to do the same. True or not, it illustrates the attitude that the Danish had, and the balls they had for standing up to the SS - the Danish resistance smuggled a good chunk of the Jewish population into Sweden on a single night. From snopes : Quote: A Swedish newspaper cartoon (possibly the origin of this legend) depicted the monarch talking with the former Danish prime minster, who asks him, "What are we going to do, Your Majesty, if Scavenius makes all the Jews wear yellow stars?" (Erik Scavenius was the Danish foreign minister who became prime minister at the insistence of the Germans after the Danish government resigned in 1943.) The king responds by asserting, "We'll all have to wear yellow stars." In fact, no such yellow star decree was ever passed, so it didn't come to that. However: Quote: In fact King Christian rejected many aspects of the occupation, made speeches against the occupying force and became known as a protector of the Jews. In December 1941, after an arson at the synagogue in Copenhagen, he sent a letter of sympathy to Rabbi Marcus Melchior. ]Here Stuff which is probably true: Quote: Another popular story, generally accepted as truth, concerned Christian's resistance to the flying of the Nazi flag over Christiansborg Castle, home of the Danish Rigsdag, during the occupation. According to the story, the king summoned a senior Nazi general and instructed him to remove the flag. When the general refused to do so, Christian declared, "A Danish soldier will remove it." The German officer said that such a soldier would be shot. The king's reply was "I think not. For I shall be that soldier." The general immediately ordered the removal of the flag. Wikipedia Stuff which is definitely true: Quote: In 1942, Adolf Hitler sent the king a long telegram congratulating him on his 72nd birthday. The king's reply telegram was a mere Meinen besten Dank. Chr. Rex (English: My thanks. King Christian). This perceived (and no doubt deliberate) slight greatly outraged Hitler and he immediately recalled his ambassador from Copenhagen and expelled the Danish ambassador from Germany. I suppose the name of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg takes a lot of living up to. But history will never forget it. The thing that Danes actually wore as a symbol of resistance during the Nazi occupation was called a kongemærket ("King's Mark") --- see my avatar.
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5th February 2006, 10:26 AM	#25
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 10,815	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate The thing that Danes actually wore as a symbol of resistance during the Nazi occupation was called a kongemærket ("King's Mark") --- see my avatar. The Norwegian symbol of resistance was the binder, i.e. saying 'we're sticking together'. Wearing a symbol of the king would get you shot.

5th February 2006, 10:36 AM	#26
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,267	If I remember correctly, I once read in a history book that Christian 10th were put in house arrest in Amalienborg and promptly decided to take a ride on his horse everyday. Ask a Dane to do something, they might. Tell them, they resist, but, if they see the point, ultimately do it. Threaten them and they do the oppersite. Something our own politicians should have remembered during the Mastricht Treaty (EU ammendment) votes. And the reason why entertainer Jacob Haugsgaard got voted into parliament against his will......
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5th February 2006, 10:53 AM	#27
monoman Master baiter - I fish! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 967	Originally Posted by John de Combe Denmark has always been one of my favourite countries. Not only was my favourite toy Danish, but my favourite computer game - "Citadel" by Michael Jakobsen and Lars Osterballe from for the BBC B. One of my favourite comedians, the brilliant Sandi Toksvig, is Danish too. (Incidentally, when the loonies have been burning the Danish flag, haven't they been burning a cross... ...shows how much they care about religious tolerance) I remember that - top down display with some great scrolling. I think it had some synthasized speech as well saying "citadel....citadel...citadel"? Quality! Did you know Sandi Tosksvig spent most of her youth in america and speaks with an american accent when over there?

5th February 2006, 11:32 AM	#28
Cylinder Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,062	What would be the appropriate type of flower to send to the Danish embassy? Does Denmark have a national flower?
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5th February 2006, 11:50 AM	#29
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,267	Its the Marquerite allthough the Daisy have a value as well since it's connected to our queens nickname. The most popular flower is, from a sentimental viewpoint, ironicly, the Dandelion/Milk Govan. Otherwise simply go with a "Language of the flowers" type of thing. Edit: Clarification
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5th February 2006, 03:56 PM	#30
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,871	Originally Posted by Mark The Crusades were evil. They were also a thousand years ago. Any culture that can stay violently angry that long is not worthy of the term culture. Not only that, but the crusades were mutual. Christendom fought to stem the spread of Islam, but Islam fought to spread Islam as well. Also, by any reasonable measure, Islam won the crusades.
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5th February 2006, 04:05 PM	#31
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 46,283	Originally Posted by Ryokan I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the support of Denmark and Norway in this crisis. We are not used to being the center of attention, and action, in a situation of this magnitude (at least not since 1066). So thank you for all the support, and all the Danish and Norwegian flags. I sincerely hope this madness blows over soon. The people supporting you now include many who were attacking the EU at every turn only a moment ago.
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5th February 2006, 04:06 PM	#32
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 10,815	Originally Posted by a_unique_person The people supporting you now include many who were attacking the EU at every turn only a moment ago. Well, my country isn't a member of the EU, anyway

5th February 2006, 04:07 PM	#33
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 46,283	Touche. Europe, then.
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5th February 2006, 04:28 PM	#34
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,267	Originally Posted by Ryokan Well, my country isn't a member of the EU, anyway Nah, you guys were smart enough, unlike Denmark in the 70'ties when it was still called EF, to stay out. At least we got to keep our own currency....After beating our politicians over the head a couple of times....
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5th February 2006, 06:16 PM	#35
Johnny Pixels Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,389	Hold on a minute! Quote: Denmark 4-1 England Denmark scored three goals in seven second-half minutes as England were humiliated in their final game before their World Cup qualifier in Wales. Nooooooooooooooooooo! Damn you Denmark!