propaganda techniques of the twoof movement

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inspired by a Twoofer's story on bush's "Big lie", i began to think of propaganda.

They argue that Bush uses the Big Lie technique. What is it? Basically Goebbels, Hitler's Minister for Propaganda and enlightenment, said that small lies get you nowhere, but if you tell a big lie, people will belive you. Obviously, this is a comparison to Nazi Germany. But indeed it is used before, by many other people, including Alex Jones.

His "Big Lie" is this. An ancient cult thathas been around since the Romans is planning to take over the world by subterfuge, kill 80% of us and put the rest in Logan's run-esque cities. Thus, the Big lie is not exclusive to The Nazis. Gobbels was making a point about propaganda techniques. But that does not make the user a Nazi.

But what other techniques are they using?

The most obvious tactic of truthers is chanting "9/11 was an inside job" over and over again in various places, such as Ground Zero. As we all know, this is a lie. But, in lenin's terms, "a lie often told becomes truth". Thus, the truth movement have been using Leninist tactics since Loose change.

Thus, they tell big lies, such as Laser beams brought down the Towers or Therite/thermate being explosives, and repeat them over and over again until people "wake up" and agree with them.

Agitprop is also used. Agitprop was used during the Russian civil war to stir support among the peasants. The name comes from the Russian Department of AGITation and PROPaganda Basically, this appeals to emotions, such as anger and hatred. An example of agitprop is "Bush caused 9/11 so he could murder iraqi babies for oil".

Analogies to totalitarian regimes are also used. Bush is compared to Adolf Hitler many a time, with the "Big lie", and Gitmo (or the FEMA camps) to Nazi KZs, and the CIA/FBI to the Gestapo. But this just cheapens the horrific systematic slaughter of 22 million men, women and children because of their Nationality, race, creed, Political ideology and ethnicity. Yet, are we to compare them to the communists because of their propaganda (repeating a lie).

Newspeak is also used. But i will refer you to my essay on 9/11 truth's hypocrisy.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146217

And that is my essay on Truther propaganda
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
inspired by a Twoofer's story on bush's "Big lie", i began to think of propaganda.

They argue that Bush uses the Big Lie technique. What is it? Basically Goebbels, Hitler's Minister for Propaganda and enlightenment, said that small lies get you nowhere, but if you tell a big lie, people will belive you. Obviously, this is a comparison to Nazi Germany. But indeed it is used before, by many other people, including Alex Jones.

His "Big Lie" is this. An ancient cult thathas been around since the Romans is planning to take over the world by subterfuge, kill 80% of us and put the rest in Logan's run-esque cities. Thus, the Big lie is not exclusive to The Nazis. Gobbels was making a point about propaganda techniques. But that does not make the user a Nazi.

But what other techniques are they using?

The most obvious tactic of truthers is chanting "9/11 was an inside job" over and over again in various places, such as Ground Zero. As we all know, this is a lie. But, in lenin's terms, "a lie often told becomes truth". Thus, the truth movement have been using Leninist tactics since Loose change.

Thus, they tell big lies, such as Laser beams brought down the Towers or Therite/thermate being explosives, and repeat them over and over again until people "wake up" and agree with them.

Agitprop is also used. Agitprop was used during the Russian civil war to stir support among the peasants. The name comes from the Russian Department of AGITation and PROPaganda Basically, this appeals to emotions, such as anger and hatred. An example of agitprop is "Bush caused 9/11 so he could murder iraqi babies for oil".

Analogies to totalitarian regimes are also used. Bush is compared to Adolf Hitler many a time, with the "Big lie", and Gitmo (or the FEMA camps) to Nazi KZs, and the CIA/FBI to the Gestapo. But this just cheapens the horrific systematic slaughter of 22 million men, women and children because of their Nationality, race, creed, Political ideology and ethnicity. Yet, are we to compare them to the communists because of their propaganda (repeating a lie).

Newspeak is also used. But i will refer you to my essay on 9/11 truth's hypocrisy.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146217

And that is my essay on Truther propaganda
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Aren't these common to all CTs?
 
~enigma~ said:
Aren't these common to all CTs?
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Nazi Analogies weren't used in the JFK assassination, nor with the moon landing, Iran Contra, CIA cocaine, MKULTRA (Soviet analogies instead).

CIA drugs have some truth, yet it is IMPOSSIBLE to differentiate truth from lies. Ditto Operation Gladio.

The Big lie analogy is not used in Gladio, nor JFK.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Nazi Analogies weren't used in the JFK assassination, nor with the moon landing, Iran Contra, CIA cocaine, MKULTRA (Soviet analogies instead).

CIA drugs have some truth, yet it is IMPOSSIBLE to differentiate truth from lies. Ditto Operation Gladio.

The Big lie analogy is not used in Gladio, nor JFK.
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Seems to me you haven't been reading much about CTs. BTW if you really want Nazi analogies about all the CTs you mention, just check out ATS, infowars (rather infoidiots), websites belonging to Apollo hoax believers and flat earthers...or just the youtube comments from them.
 
A JREF star is born!

NWO Sentryman said:
inspired by a Twoofer's story on bush's "Big lie", i began to think of propaganda.

They argue that Bush uses the Big Lie technique. What is it? Basically Goebbels, Hitler's Minister for Propaganda and enlightenment, said that small
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I can see that you have a bright future, here at JREF. A first class intellect, coupled with a stunning ability to capture your great thoughts in the most concise of prose, reveals you to be an up-and-coming colossus, who will stand astride the truth, as revealed to us by that that most honest of institutions, the US government.

Those damn 911 twoofers better give up now, while they still have a chance to escape the prime of your debunking career!
 
metamars said:
I can see that you have a bright future, here at JREF. A first class intellect, coupled with a stunning ability to capture your great thoughts in the most concise of prose, reveals you to be an up-and-coming colossus, who will stand astride the truth, as revealed to us by that that most honest of institutions, the US government.

Those damn 911 twoofers better give up now, while they still have a chance to escape the prime of your debunking career!
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Says the man who thinks the world media outside the US is controlled by someone using a few thousand dollars.
 
its funny the only 'big lie' that anyone actually bought was the "truth?" movements
it grabbed every lunatic in this country hook line and sinker
AJ and the others know it and bottom feed off those poor saps to make careers for themselves

i find it funny also when "truth?"ers ask "whos paying you?" to gravy or other debunkers
when AJ makes millions peddling his lies
 
Justin39640 said:
a nickname for a movement that doesn't deserve its self appointed name
cause they are liars
;)
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I see. So saying "twoof movement" is an example of the name-calling propaganda technique, then.
 
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I would point out that the propaganda terms '19 Muslims' 'War on Terror' and even 'Osama bin Laden' came long before the expression '9/11 was an inside job'.
 
JihadJane said:
I see. So saying "twoof movement" is an example of the name-calling propaganda technique, then.
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no most people dont think they deserve to be linked with the word and make up alternatives
i also think youve been around long enough to know exactly why people say that
youre nitpicking for the sake of starting an argument
nothin else
 
NWO Sentryman said:
no, Twoof movement is mockery. Not propaganda.
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I see JihadJanes point. A generalisation like 'twoofer' implies that truthers are stupid. This isn't the case.
Truthers are mislead by dot connectors who are in fact extremely intelligent people and put together a very convincing story. I was mislead by a lot of this stuff and in hindsite can see the flaws but at the time it all seemed very plausible.
I do still think though in the back of my mind... what if they're right :eek:
 
A JREF Cheerio box for lying?

funk de fino said:
Says the man who thinks the world media outside the US is controlled by someone using a few thousand dollars.
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Certainly, you deserve something for your lie.

Anybody who is interested in what I really think about media control, can start by searching this forum on author:metamars & search string:Noam Chomsky.

Also, search on author:metamars & search string:Barrie Zwicker
(or author:metamars & search string:abstraction ladder).


Funk de Fino's lie involves traveling up the abstraction ladder, in the most self-serving and twisted of ways.... It is symptomatic of the debunker species that they endlessly need to conflate nuanced arguments with their simplistic, idiotic facades.

(Yet another reason for not barking simplistic slogans like "911 was an insider job". No reason for over-zealous 911 truthers to make the lying propagandists' jobs any easier.)
 
metamars said:
Certainly, you deserve something for your lie.

Anybody who is interested in what I really think about media control, can start by searching this forum on author:metamars & search string:Noam Chomsky.

Also, search on author:metamars & search string:Barrie Zwicker
(or author:metamars & search string:abstraction ladder).


Funk de Fino's lie involves traveling up the abstraction ladder, in the most self-serving and twisted of ways.... It is symptomatic of the debunker species that they endlessly need to conflate nuanced arguments with their simplistic, idiotic facades.

(Yet another reason for not barking simplistic slogans like "911 was an insider job". No reason for over-zealous 911 truthers to make the lying propagandists' jobs any easier.)
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You posted a picture which showed exactly that and you supported the picture.

And you got ripped for it.

Some posters here are scared of what they see in the mirror when they shave. They think someone is watching them.
 
"Name Calling:

Name calling occurs often in politics and wartime scenarios, but very seldom in advertising. It is another of the seven main techniques designated by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It is the use of derogatory language or words that carry a negative connotation when describing an enemy. The propaganda attempts to arouse prejudice among the public by labelling the target something that the public dislikes. Often, name calling is employed using sarcasm and ridicule, and shows up often in political cartoons or writings. When examining name calling propaganda, we should attempt to separate our feelings about the name and our feelings about the actual idea or proposal."

'Propaganda Techniques'

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/proptech.htm
 
JihadJane said:
"Name Calling:

Name calling occurs often in politics and wartime scenarios, but very seldom in advertising. It is another of the seven main techniques designated by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It is the use of derogatory language or words that carry a negative connotation when describing an enemy. The propaganda attempts to arouse prejudice among the public by labelling the target something that the public dislikes. Often, name calling is employed using sarcasm and ridicule, and shows up often in political cartoons or writings. When examining name calling propaganda, we should attempt to separate our feelings about the name and our feelings about the actual idea or proposal."

'Propaganda Techniques'

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/proptech.htm
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bushtards, mind readers, gov loyalists, shills, bushie lovers, sheeple, traitors, etc etc
 
funk de fino said:
bushtards, mind readers, gov loyalists, shills, bushie lovers, sheeple, traitors, etc etc
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Shills 'n Saps. Shills are professional debunkers and Saps are those who are led by the nose. Those last include the ones Mike rivero described here- the moral cowards :-

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."
 
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JihadJane said:
"Name Calling:

Name calling occurs often in politics and wartime scenarios, but very seldom in advertising. It is another of the seven main techniques designated by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It is the use of derogatory language or words that carry a negative connotation when describing an enemy. The propaganda attempts to arouse prejudice among the public by labelling the target something that the public dislikes. Often, name calling is employed using sarcasm and ridicule, and shows up often in political cartoons or writings. When examining name calling propaganda, we should attempt to separate our feelings about the name and our feelings about the actual idea or proposal."

'Propaganda Techniques'

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/proptech.htm
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Not all mockery is propaganda. In fact, I would be willing to bet that most mockery has nothing to do with propaganda at all. For instance, if I were to mock you for making such a ridiculous assertion, that would have nothing to do with propaganda, but merely my desire to laugh at the idiocy you spew. Sometimes mockery is just mockery.

JihadJane said:
The propaganda attempts to arouse prejudice among the public by labelling the target something that the public dislikes.
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Case in point. To what degree do you actually think the public is aware of the Truth Movement that a supposed effort to discredit them by name-calling on some obscure Internet forum would be even remotely effective?

I laugh at the idiocy you spew.
 
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bill smith said:
I would point out that the propaganda terms '19 Muslims' 'War on Terror' and even 'Osama bin Laden' came long before the expression '9/11 was an inside job'.
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Do you have any evidence for any of this, or are you simply making things up and presenting them as fact as usual? We know that the first 9/11 conspiracy theories were posted on the WWW on or about September 12th 2001, whereas GWB didn't start referring to the War on Terror until the 20th. Osama bin Laden had a name, of course, prior to 9/11, but when by your definition of the term (assuming that you subscribe to definitions, rather than adjusting the meaning of words to suit whatever argument you're trying to justify at the time) was it first used as a propaganda term?

"19 Muslims" is an interesting one, as it's frequently used by 9/11 conspiracy theorists as an argument against the possibility of the hijackers having carried out the attacks. If you want to complain about that one, you're welcome to it; it's on your side of the fence, not ours.

Dave
 
bill smith said:
Shills 'n Saps. Shills are professional debunkers and Saps are those who are led by the nose. Those last include the ones Mike rivero described here- the moral cowards :-
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Argument from authority or appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

(Mike Rivero, as a conspiracy theorist radio show host, might of course be considered a legitimate authority on moral cowardice.)

Dave
 
bill smith also believes that the FDNY not conspiring to murder their own is propaganda. Let's not give his odious thought processes any more credence than they deserve.
 
Squidgy said:
I see JihadJanes point. A generalisation like 'twoofer' implies that truthers are stupid.
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This is correct.

This isn't the case.
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This is not correct. Provide proof that twoofers are not stupid. Here is my proof that they are:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144632 (Stundies)
For further proof, simply click on the user profiles of Heiwa, bill smith, Red Ibis, Christopher7, Galileo, etc. Then hit the statistics tab, and click on "Find all posts by..."


 
bill smith said:
Shills 'n Saps. Shills are professional debunkers and Saps are those who are led by the nose. Those last include the ones Mike rivero described here- the moral cowards :-

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."
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911 TM are the biggest cowards of all time.
 
Squidgy said:
Truthers are mislead by dot connectors who are in fact extremely intelligent people and put together a very convincing story.
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Ha! I had to laugh when I read this. "A very convincing story", eh? I beg to differ. And "extremely intelligent"? Hmmm...I think I have to differ with that one, too.

Truthers are the dot connectors and vice versa.
 
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Originally Posted by JihadJane
What's a "twoof movement"?
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Justin39640 said:
a nickname for a movement that doesn't deserve its self appointed name
cause they are liars
;)
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"Twoof Movement":

  1. What most normal individuals experience several hours after completion of a substantial breakfast.
  2. RE: 9/11 conspiracy theorists, the intellectual equivalent of #1, above.

:D
 
Dave Rogers said:
We know that the first 9/11 conspiracy theories were posted on the WWW on or about September 12th 2001, whereas GWB didn't start referring to the War on Terror until the 20th.
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The term "inside job" popped up on USENET here @ 10.15pm on September 11:

Buildings brought down...

... by shape charges wrapped around steel. This is an inside job bought
to you by your friendly CIA/MOSSAD/FBI connection.
Source
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10:36PM, early use of the Reichstag comparison:

Indeed, as so many commentators and analysts have already noted, there is literally no way that what took place today in New York and
Washington D.C. was NOT an inside job.

This is directly analogous to the burning of the Reichstag in Germany by
Hitler: an event perpetrated by the Nazis yet blamed upon "Communists",
"Jews" and so on, and used to terrorize the German people into acceding
to the Nazi takeover of their nation. The BushMob, whose ties to the
Nazis are vast, extensive and firmly rooted in time, is undoubtedly
playing the same kind of card with today's "terrorist" attacks upon New
York City and Washington
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Early CD arguments on September 13:

It is such an OBVIOUS "no brainer" "inside" job.!!
...
- A plane hits tower #1, blowing a hole in it high up. The expected
things then happen:

- The building stays up. A reinforced concrete building is *extremely*
strong. Terrorists set off a large bomb *inside* that building without
significant damage. Notice that neither plane impact does anything
like break off a big hunk of building floors and send it crashing into
the street. The WTC towers were specifically designed to survive a
direct impact from a jumbo jet - which *both do*.
...
The second plane hits the second tower, lower and moving faster. It
blows a bigger hole through it, showering debris on the street, but
the building is clearly still standing and still looks quite solid.
...
- Perhaps a half hour later, the fire in the first building *goes
out*. It is still smouldering and letting off black smoke, but there
is no flame. Anyone who saw the documentary on that horrid skyscraper
fire in Philadelphia that led to the codes requiring sprinklers on
every floor knows why. There's no way to get fire apparatus into a
skyscraper effectively, so it needs to be designed into the structure
- which it is.
The water flows from the roof reservoirs down. Sprinklers can kill
incredible infernos, and that's what these do.


- The fire in the second building goes out.


- Then, later, the second building suddenly crumbles into dust, in a
smooth wave running from the top of the building (above the burned
part) down through all the stories at an equal speed. The debris falls
primarily inward. The tower does not break off intact and collapse
into other buildings. The bottom does not crumble before the top. The
burned out section crumbles also. The crumbling comes from the top
(above the damage). It moves at a uniform rate. All of the structural
members are destroyed in a smooth pattern, so there is no remaining
skeleton. The damage is uniform, symmetric, and total.


In summary, it looks exactly like a demolition - because that's what
it is.

Source
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John Judge on September 14:

The non-response (ground to air missiles -ed) as the Dulles plane flew over the White House and turned to go into the Pentagon is inexplicable that late in the scenario unless this was in inside job. I am sure there is a false sponsor ready to be handed to us.
Source
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MikeW said:
The term "inside job" popped up on USENET here @ 10.15pm on September 11:



10:36PM, early use of the Reichstag comparison:



Early CD arguments on September 13:



John Judge on September 14:
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Wow I never knew about any of these. Very interesting.
 
in general I think the twoof movement is filled with people who are JUST smart enough to start doing some research, but are either too intellecutally lazy, uninformed, or uneducated enough to fall for the first shiny thing to fit their preconceived notions of how "evil da guvmint is."

Too often they use the argument from authority, argument from ignorance, and arguments from incredulity in any discussions of 9/11.

we have 700 architects and engineers (even if it is only 300 licensed and degreed ones). 29 experts say blah blah blah

Or it is the NIST is full of crap. Freefall. Freefall. thermite blah blah blah. group 7 couldn't have fallen first

or you get the "we are talking about the pentagon, and there is 5 freaking frames? The pentagon has the best stuff in the world." blah blah blah.

I also think the biggest difference is their inability to admit that they are wrong when shown facts which show they are wrong. They just shift shift shift to another topic and do not admit one of their house of cards fantasies is gone.
 
metamars, you're aware that Chomsky has said that 9/11 conspiracy theories are bunk on multiple occasions, right?

One thing that truthers do which sticks out to me is how truthers use phrases like "official conspiracy theory" to try to define things by their terms. Hell, I read Debunking 9/11 Debunking for a paper I wrote in college and I didn't even notice how Griffin used the phrase "Bush-Cheney administration" until I was halfway through it. Then again, truthers are hardly unique in that regard.
 
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