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Even if no skyscraper has ever completely collapsed due to fire (though there are certainly arguments to the contrary, depending on your definition of completely collapse), it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Has any other spaceshuttle ever exploded shortly after takeoff due to defective o-rings? I didn't think so, thus the challenger was obviously blown up by more sinister means.

Has any other supersonic commercial aircraft ever had its landing gear fall off during takeoff? I didn't think so, thus the Concorde landing gear was obviously blown off by more sinister means.

I'm torn- these threads are entertaining, and I am certainly enlightened by the contrary information presented in reponse to the CTer claim. However, even if the point was conceded that non other skyscraper ever collapse completely due to fire alone, it would not add any logical support to the CT view of the WTC collapse as controlled demolition. You are not going to change their views of what happened, but perhaps there could be some enlightenment about logical fallacies. At the very least that might lead to more challenging to discredit CTs, and even more informative refutations.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I thought Belz was asserting that. Now, true he said "buildings", not "steel framed skyscrapers". But he said it in response to my statement about "steel framed skyscrapers".
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Answer my question, do you believe no planes hit the towers?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Ooh, nice picture Default. How do suppose that chunk of metal got yellow hot?

Any examples in history of building fires doing that?
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any examples of fires burning for weeks under a million tons of debris that DIDNT produce yellow hot metal?

...didnt think so



did you read my response in your other thread to you "molten iron" claim?
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Our little friend sure seems a bit like Killtown, no?
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Other then...

Deliberately misquotes others to his advantage
Ignoring answers to his questions he doesn't like
Changing the subject often
Abandoning threads
Claiming he wants to work with science and facts then never uses either
Thinking questions equals evidence

no, I don't think they're anything alike :D
 
Has any other supersonic commercial aircraft ever had its landing gear fall off during takeoff? I didn't think so, thus the Concorde landing gear was obviously blown off by more sinister means.
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If you want to explore this statistical approach, we can.

Suppose there were 10's of thousands of Concorde supersonic jets, not just a few. Suppose we had a 100 year history of Concorde jets taking off with no landing gear problems. Then suppose not one, not two, but three jets all suffered landing gears falling off, all on the same day, all at the same airport. There's a much more valid comparison. If that happened, three in one day, I would be very suspicious of foul play.

Further, let's suppose that the landing gears didn't just fall off, but suppose the metal parts were shredded into pieces, and the non-metallic elements were rendered into fine powder. Now I would be convinced that explosives were used. This is now a valid comparsion.

Comment please.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
If you want to explore this statistical approach, we can.

Suppose there were 10's of thousands of Concorde supersonic jets, not just a few. Suppose we had a 100 year history of Concorde jets taking off with no landing gear problems. Then suppose not one, not two, but three jets all suffered landing gears falling off, all on the same day, all at the same airport. There's a much more valid comparison. If that happened, three in one day, I would be very suspicious of foul play.

Further, let's suppose that the landing gears didn't just fall off, but suppose the metal parts were shredded into pieces, and the non-metallic elements were rendered into fine powder. Now I would be convinced that explosives were used. This is now a valid comparsion.

Comment please.
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Do you believe that no planes hit the towers?
 
please explain how these "explosvies" lasted up to 2 hours within a building ON FIRE and not detonate?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
If you want to explore this statistical approach, we can.

Suppose there were 10's of thousands of Concorde supersonic jets, not just a few. Suppose we had a 100 year history of Concorde jets taking off with no landing gear problems. Then suppose not one, not two, but three jets all suffered landing gears falling off, all on the same day, all at the same airport. There's a much more valid comparison. If that happened, three in one day, I would be very suspicious of foul play.

Further, let's suppose that the landing gears didn't just fall off, but suppose the metal parts were shredded into pieces, and the non-metallic elements were rendered into fine powder. Now I would be convinced that explosives were used. This is now a valid comparsion.

Comment please.
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My comment please:
Why are you avoiding answering WildCats question?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
If you want to explore this statistical approach, we can.

Suppose there were 10's of thousands of Concorde supersonic jets, not just a few. Suppose we had a 100 year history of Concorde jets taking off with no landing gear problems. Then suppose not one, not two, but three jets all suffered landing gears falling off, all on the same day, all at the same airport. There's a much more valid comparison. If that happened, three in one day, I would be very suspicious of foul play.

Further, let's suppose that the landing gears didn't just fall off, but suppose the metal parts were shredded into pieces, and the non-metallic elements were rendered into fine powder. Now I would be convinced that explosives were used. This is now a valid comparsion.

Comment please.
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You want a comment? OK, here's one: You're a proven liar.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
If you want to explore this statistical approach, we can.

Suppose there were 10's of thousands of Concorde supersonic jets, not just a few. Suppose we had a 100 year history of Concorde jets taking off with no landing gear problems. Then suppose not one, not two, but three jets all suffered landing gears falling off, all on the same day, all at the same airport. There's a much more valid comparison. If that happened, three in one day, I would be very suspicious of foul play.

Further, let's suppose that the landing gears didn't just fall off, but suppose the metal parts were shredded into pieces, and the non-metallic elements were rendered into fine powder. Now I would be convinced that explosives were used. This is now a valid comparsion.

Comment please.
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You're serious aren't you? Ok, it's not a valid comparison since in your analogy, the landing gear was not impacted by any external forces. A better comparison to yours would be if two large airplanes hadn't hit the two towers at high speed and then parts of falling debris hadn't hit the third tower. If the towers had just fallen down, no planes, no fires, just fallen.

In that case, I would be curious what happened.
 
Arus questioned
please explain how these "explosvies" lasted up to 2 hours within a building ON FIRE and not detonate?
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First, explosives did go off while the fires were burning. Whether these were intentional or accidental is an interesting question. Second, explosives can be fireproofed, and set off by remote control. Third, it appears that a variety of substances were used. It appears that some form of thermite was used as an incindiary to weaken the structure. Thermite is actually quite difficult to ignite, requiring tempertures beyond hydrocarbon fires. Then it appears some type of high explosives finished the job.
 
Default confused
Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234
If that happened, three in one day, I would be very suspicious of foul play.

there was foul play, or did you miss the part about terrorists hijacking planes and crashing them ito the towers with intentions of destroying them?
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I was referring to my hypothetical example about the COncorde. Come on.
 
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