Skepticism and The Normal

And how has OS012 advanced? Before this thread, nobody here had heard of it. Now they all think that it is bollocks. That's not an advance Bubb.

I have advanced my arguments past all other arguments for over 150 pages of dialouge here and on badscience. There simply has been no rebuttal against OS 012 that has not been shown to contain contradictions to reality.

So why haven't you actually answered it then? I view this discussion as a discussion: questions are put and answered to the satisfaction of both parties.

I have answered it. In your mind, you think the question stumps me, so therefore, you are looking a for a certain answer in my response. You assume it must be in my response because you model it in your mind a certain way. And now you are getting upset that objective reality is not providing you with the evidence of your magical thinking.

Let it go. You are having a false idea, which is natural, but you are tryiing to make your false idea true, and that is irrational


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Indeed it has.

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I have advanced my arguments past all other arguments for over 150 pages of dialouge here and on badscience. There simply has been no rebuttal against OS 012 that has not been shown to contain contradictions to reality.
Well "past them" in the sense that you're still prepared to spout your nonsense beyond the stage that others' arguments have shown it to be rubbish.

you think the question stumps me, so therefore, you are looking a for a certain answer in my response.
Er yes, I was actually looking for an answer in your response, rather than just random key-mashing. Are you going to argue that you've somehow answered the question specifically by not answering (NB, standard usage of "not" there).

You assume it must be in my response because you model it in your mind a certain way. And now you are getting upset that objective reality is not providing you with the evidence of your magical thinking.
What, you mean evidence that you've actually answered the question? Yes, that's what I was hoping for.


Originally Posted by Mojo
Where is the subjective component in the statement "Angelina Jolie is a woman"?

The observation of Angelina Jolie.
So that's the subjective component then.

The subjective component is 0.
What, "zero"? You mean there is no subjective component?

Funnily enough Bubb, I know what you mean despite the fact that you've still not explained your system, and you never will. You're saying that the statement has a subjective component because it is made by someone, you may even be saying that nobody will know whether it is true or not if they don't look at AJ. But that doesn't change the fact that AJ is a woman and remains so even if nobody has made that statement. So the truth of the statement i.e., it's relationship to reality, which is what Mojo was asking you about, has no subjective component at all.

I'm quite bored now and tired from simultaneously flogging the dead horse that is Bubb and shooting Bubblefish in a barrel, all very tedious.
 
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Well "past them" in the sense that you're still prepared to spout your nonsense beyond the stage that others' arguments have shown it to be rubbish.


Bubblefish is no longer rationally engaging magical statements

Respectfully,
The Managment.

Er yes, I was actually looking for an answer in your response, rather than just random key-mashing. Are you going to argue that you've somehow answered the question specifically by not answering (NB, standard usage of "not" there).

What, you mean evidence that you've actually answered the question? Yes, that's what I was hoping for.


Bubblefish is no longer rationally engaging magical statements

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So that's the subjective component then.

What, "zero"? You mean there is no subjective component?

The subjective component is unknown.

Funnily enough Bubb, I know what you mean despite the fact that you've still not explained your system, and you never will.


That's a contradiction right there.

You're saying that the statement has a subjective component because it is made by someone, you may even be saying that nobody will know whether it is true or not if they don't look at AJ.

True

But that doesn't change the fact that AJ is a woman and remains so even if nobody has made that statement.

agreed, so?

So the truth of the statement i.e., it's relationship to reality, which is what Mojo was asking you about, has no subjective component at all.

The truth of the statement could NOT BE A TRUTH if there was no subjective component, no point of view. If there is no point of view, Angelina would not exist, as SHE is a point of view as well. Your argument here is absurd. Your saying that if we remove all points of view in universe, then Angelina Jolie is woman is still true, yet if we remove all points of view, we can neither view anything, nor claim that points of view exist. That's impossible, it would be peri-normal even if it were possible. Peri-normal is mystery, niether true nor false.


I'm quite bored now and tired from simultaneously flogging the dead horse that is Bubb and shooting Bubblefish in a barrel, all very tedious.

That's because you are running of out rationalizations in your mind, and creating rationalizations from false ideas is very tiring and exhausting.

Me, I am refreshed, alive, alert, eager to explain MORE from my point of view.
 
When the nutters start getting stuck in a very short and irrational loop like Bubblebain has today, you KNOW they are either close to giving up their precious but ethereal notions and achieve true breakthrough, or they will just have to go home to mum and have a good cry on the couch for a few days and "re-evaluate their lives". ;)
 
When the nutters start getting stuck in a very short and irrational loop like Bubblebain has today, you KNOW they are either close to giving up their precious but ethereal notions and achieve true breakthrough, or they will just have to go home to mum and have a good cry on the couch for a few days and "re-evaluate their lives". ;)

Or phone their dealer.
 
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Bubblefish is no longer rationally engaging magical arguments!

Is it time for your chemical reality booster Bubblefish? Or do you have to grizzle to the forum moderators first to complain that nasty ol pv has pointed out the reality of your life?
 
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You can make the statement "Angelina Jolie is a woman" without viewing her.
sure, but only because others HAVE viewed her and you have viewed thier statements, articles, or photographs.
No, you can make the statement without viewing any of these; you would just have no idea whether the statement was true or not. I don't see why you have a problem with this idea. After all, you have yourself been perfectly willing to make statements without knowing whether they were true, for example your statement that Dr. Lo had published his evidence for qi in peer-reviewed journals, or your statement that Aristotle murderd the man who tried to introduce zero to maths.

Angelina Jolie exists in External Reality, and thus relates information which is identical to all view points.
How does this square with your statement that "all things external have a subjective component"?
 
Funnily enough Bubb, I know what you mean despite the fact that you've still not explained your system, and you never will.
That's a contradiction right there.
Where?

The truth of the statement could NOT BE A TRUTH if there was no subjective component, no point of view. If there is no point of view, Angelina would not exist, as SHE is a point of view as well. Your argument here is absurd. Your saying that if we remove all points of view in universe, then Angelina Jolie is woman is still true, yet if we remove all points of view, we can neither view anything, nor claim that points of view exist. That's impossible, it would be peri-normal even if it were possible. Peri-normal is mystery, niether true nor false.
Strawman. What is being argued is that even if AJ is not observed by a person making or hearing the statement "AJ is a woman", she is still a woman (or not, as the case may be). Observation is only necessary to confirm or deny the truth of the statement that AJ is a woman. And it doesn't have any effect on the truth value of the statement. There is no "subjective component" to the statement.

The fact that something has to be observed to determine the truth of a statement about it does not make that statement subjective.
 
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When the nutters start getting stuck in a very short and irrational loop like Bubblebain has today, you KNOW they are either close to giving up their precious but ethereal notions and achieve true breakthrough, or they will just have to go home to mum and have a good cry on the couch for a few days and "re-evaluate their lives". ;)

Bubblefish is no longer rationally engaging magical statements

Respectfully,
The Managment.
 
Is it time for your chemical reality booster Bubblefish? Or do you have to grizzle to the forum moderators first to complain that nasty ol pv has pointed out the reality of your life?

Bubblefish is no longer rationally engaging magical statements

Respectfully,
The Managment.
 
No, you can make the statement without viewing any of these; you would just have no idea whether the statement was true or not.

Sure you would, if you never heard of Angelina Jolie, then you made her name up as a fictional character. So?


I don't see why you have a problem with this idea. After all, you have yourself been perfectly willing to make statements without knowing whether they were true, for example your statement that Dr. Lo had published his evidence for qi in peer-reviewed journals, or your statement that Aristotle murderd the man who tried to introduce zero to maths.

Bubblefish is no longer rationally engaging magical statements

Respectfully,
The Managment.

How does this square with your statement that "all things external have a subjective component"?

The subjective component is the observer of those external things.
 
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Funnily enough Bubb, I know what you mean despite the fact that you've still not explained your system, and you never will.

Bubblefish: That's a contradiction right there.


How could she know what I mean if I wasnt explaining it?

Strawman.

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What is being argued is that even if AJ is not observed by a person making or hearing the statement "AJ is a woman", she is still a woman (or not, as the case may be).

Yeah, Mojo, I got that the first time, SO????

Observation is only necessary to confirm or deny the truth of the statement that AJ is a woman.

Yeah, Mojo, I got that the first time, SO????

And it doesn't have any effect on the truth value of the statement. There is no "subjective component" to the statement.

The person reading the statement is a subjective component. The person making the statement is another subjective component.

The fact that something has to be observed to determine the truth of a statement about it does not make that statement subjective.

It's not a subjective statement, it's an objective statement. Objective statements are made by subjective points of view relating shared information to other subjective points of view. External reality is the objective to the subjective point of view, it's a coupling.

If you are interpretting it any other way, your simply flat out wrong.


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