Science is not a religion, but some scientists ARE religous about their science

No you don't. You know of some subjective evidence of "missing mass" and that's it.
Yes, again still ignorant Michael Mozina: Objective, empirical evidence for dark matter.

No, again, you have subjective evidence (redshift interpretation) that the universe accelerates over time.

Again, you only have evidence of "expansion' at best case, and you never showed an empirical cause/effect connection between your invisible make-believe friend and that observation of expansion.
Again still ignorant Michael Mozina: Objective, empirical evidence for inflation

And the ultimate ignorance still remains: dark matter, dark energy and inflation are the causes!


Since the above are Wikipedia links, lets add the published science that you are contining to ignore.
Originally Posted by Tim Thompson
  1. Observational Evidence from Supernovae for an Accelerating Universe and a Cosmological Constant; Riess, et al., The Astronomical Journal 116(3): 1009-1038, September 1998.
  2. Measurements of Omega and Lambda from 42 High-Redshift Supernovae; Perlmutter, et al., The Astrophysical Journal 571(2): 565-586, June 1999.
  3. First-Year Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) Observations: Determination of Cosmological Parameters; Spergel, et al., The Astrophysical Journal Supplement Series 148(1): 175-194, September 2003.
  4. Type Ia Supernovae at z > 1 from the Hubble Space Telescope: Evidence for Past Deceleration and Constraints on the Dark Energy Equation of State; Riess, et al., The Astrophysical Journal 607(2): 665-687, June 2004.
  5. The Supernova Legacy Survey: measurement of ΩM, ΩΛ and w from the first year data set; Astier, et al., Astronomy and Astrophysics 447(1): February III 2006.
  6. Three-Year Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) Observations: Implications for Cosmology; Spergel, et al., The Astrophysical Journal Supplement Series 170(2): 377-408, June 2007.
  7. Observational Constraints on the Nature of Dark Energy: First Results from the ESSENCE Supernova Survey; Wood-Vasey, et al., The Astrophysical Journal 666(2): 694-715, September 2007.
  8. Seven-Year Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) Observations: Cosmological Interpretation; Komatsu, et al., preprint submitted to The Astrophysical Journal Supplement Series, version 2 dated 12 February 2010.
These listed and the many thousand citations thereto.
 
No, when it comes to matters of science I don't hold any beliefs.

Talk about unadulterated lies! Wow!
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Talk about hard core denial and a desire to avoid personal responsibility for your personal choices in life! FYI, you can't even "practice science" without "holding any beliefs". In fact you have to hold the belief that the scientific method is useful to even bother to use it! Holy cow.

That would imply having some kind of faith not supported by evidence.

No, it doesn't. That's a little "rider"" you added in there. God only knows for what purpose. You can hold belief for any reason you want, including pure blind faith for all I care. At least be honest that you hold them!

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Ok RC, which of your three invisible energies/masses has an empirically measurable (potent) effect on atoms on Earth in real science experiments with actual control mechanisms? Anyone can point at the sky and claim "God did it". Let's see your empirical cause/effect demonstration here on Earth and then I'll be happy to let you point at sky and play around with math formulas.
 
Talk about unadulterated lies! Wow! [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/images/smilies/mazeguyemotions/jaw-dropping.gif[/qimg]

Talk about hard core denial and a desire to avoid personal responsibility for your personal choices in life! FYI, you can't even "practice science" without "holding any beliefs". In fact you have to hold the belief that the scientific method is useful to even bother to use it! Holy cow.



No, it doesn't. That's a little "rider"" you added in there. God only knows for what purpose. You can hold belief for any reason you want, including pure blind faith for all I care. At least be honest that you hold them!

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You done with your tantrum?

Did you understand my fourth grade level lesson on the nickname "dark energy"? Or shall I try again only dumb it down a little so maybe it's understandable by a third grade kid?
 
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But DNA has *ALWAYS* shown up on Earth even before we knew how to physically manipulate it!



The only 'dishonest" thing is comparing a real tangible, physical thing (like DNA) to inflation faeries that have *NEVER* shown up on Earth and *CANNOT EVER* show up on Earth. Such a comparison is both scientifically bankrupt and irrational IMO. DNA shows up on Earth. Dark energy doesn't. Do you *HONESTLY* not see that distinction?

Come on! You must know that DNA was discovered as the carrier of genetic information in the fifties! As I said, "the theory of evolution has been a viable scientific theory for well over a hundred years without any control mechanisms." Are you not capable of an honest discussion?
 
Do you believe in inflation, dark energy or exotic (so far unseen) forms of matter? Yes or no? Stop dodging the direct questions.
Either something causes the accelerated expansion of the Universe, or it has no cause. It's a simple binary question, Michael. No math required. No explanations necessary. Like one of those simple yes or no questions that you seem to struggle with. If it's too tough, take the 50/50 shot and pick one at random. What do you say? Something causes it or nothing causes it?

Yes or no? Stop dodging the direct questions, Michael Mozina.
Not that we expect any answer because you have been dodging direct questions for years about your iron crust model for the sun, e.g. se the 64 questions in Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been debunked
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You may be interested that astronomers no longer just use their bare eyes to observe the universe. The fact is that there is no "unseen" dark matter or dark energy. They have been seen because their effects have been measured.
 
Come on! You must know that DNA was discovered as the carrier of genetic information in the fifties!

So what? The living entities described in the theory of evolution were *always* present on the Earth from day one of the theory. We could take these very physical things apart atom by atom over time because they have always existed here on Earth.

Inflation has *NEVER* existed in Earth. You must see that clear difference.

As I said, "the theory of evolution has been a viable scientific theory for well over a hundred years without any control mechanisms." Are you not capable of an honest discussion?

How can you sit there and honestly compare a tangible thing, in this case physical life forms that exist on Earth to inflation that has *NEVER* existed on Earth?

Since day one we isolated A) real things that exist on Earth that we could B) put under the microscope and take apart atom by atom. How is that even remotely like inflation theory since inflation was DEAD AND GONE long before the Earth even formed? You're comparing metaphysical apples (no shows in the lab) to empirical oranges (lifeforms that exist on Earth). They aren't even related in terms of physics. One exists here on Earth (lifeforms with DNA) and one does not. Which one does not? Just start by honestly answering that question PS. When you answer it, you'll know the very tangible and very real difference between the two theories. Darwin *always* applied his theory to something that tangibly exists on Earth. Even if it took us awhile to fully understand (or begin to understand) the mechanism, it was *ALWAYS* possible. When can I expect to see inflation do something to a real atom in a real science experiment on Earth? My lifetime? 100,000 lifetimes? Never?
 
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Yes I've checked ADS in the past and I read Arxiv constantly, but.......

Well, I did in fact miss that second paper on solar atmospheric activity which is why I'm so excited to read it. I suppose I do deserve some of that criticism related to "sloppiness" on my part. Of course you could really demonstrate your point by finding a couple dozen such papers related to circuits in solar physics for us.

Do your own dirty work Mozina, type in the correct words in ADS and you get a whole list. You have *NEVER* "EVER" searched on ADS. Take the solar paper, and click on "references in the paper" or on "citations to the paper." Is it that frakking hard to do? NO, but you rather stay in your dream world where everyone hates Alfven and nobody believes in currents. Your such a loser.

I think a single exception is hardly going to suffice if you expect me to believe you don't have an "anti-circuit" bias going on.

It is even part of the plasmaastrophysics course, at least where I was taught.

I'll need a wee more evidence than that to demonstrate you don't have the magnetic cart in front of the electric horse.

You *DON'T* WANT evidence, because that would shatter your fantasy world in which you are right and every body *ACTUALLA* working in the field is a fraud and a lier.

I admit I missed that *ONE* paper, but a single exception isn't exactly evidence of open mindedness inside your industry.

One, 1, REALLY, I quoted three recent ones for you, and that was just the beginning. A single exception, you gotta be kidding, wanna buy a bridge?

You personally still seem to believe in 'magnetic reconnection" as I recall but you can't explain how that particular release of energy is different from A) induction or B) ordinary particle collisions in plasma. The bottom line is that kinetic energy can only be passed by particles of light (quantized carrier particles of the EM field), or particles of plasma. It has to be one or the other.

Ah, so you can't get yours on the circuit board, so you just switch topics, nice and clever, Mozina.

Yes, reconnection exists and happens and no it is not induction because induction is a totally different phenomenon, which has been explained to you till everybody got sick of it.

You still have not presented any evidence that you have such a "*INDUCTION"* model and how it can be used to describe to topological (difficult word, you might want to look it up in a dictionary) changes in the Earth's magnetotail or in a solar flare on the Sun.

Next to that you also have no working knowledge about electrodynamics, that is why you are so gung-ho on circuit theory.

Since magnetic fields can only form as a complete and full continuum, without beginning or end, they are incapable of disconnecting or reconnecting to individual lines.

And what exactly is that supposed to mean? a complete and full continuum?
There are all kinds of ways that magnetic fields can change topology and the easiest way to describe it is by using magnetic field lines, however if you would dive a little deeper into the electrodynamics and for example the modeling of the processes that we normal people call reconnection you would find that it all is based on the vector potential of which the magnetic field is only the derivative. What kind of effects has that, please describe it, and at the same time explain to us the significance of the vector potential.

The topology of the circuits change over time and therefore the topology of the magnetic field follows, but again, it's a form of "circuit" energy" and/or "induction" that accelerates the particles, not "magnetic reconnection".

You don't know what *TOPOLOGY* means, Mozina, and why is it impossible to describe magnetic reconnection through circuit theory? I have already explained that to you before.

The particle acceleration comes from the tension of the magnetic field which is released. It was unequivocally shown in 2001 that there is tension in the magnetic field in the Earth's magnetotail through the specially designed mission Cluster, where throught the tetrahedron shape of the 4 spacecraft one can measure magnetic field gradients in all 3 coordinates and thus calculate all these interesting quatities like curl(B) and tension etc etc.

Induction is *UNCAPABLE* of accelerating (really accelerating up to the Alfven velocity) plasma perpendicular to the local magnetic field. But I would gladly be proved wrong by you, just give me the derivation.

How many papers might I find on ADS on "magnetic reconnection"? Tell me you don't have the magnetic cart in front of the electric horse?

There are lots of papers on magnetic reconnection as there a lots of papers of equivalent circuit representations or papers on auroral processes etc. etc. etc. But if you don't look for them then you will never find them.

And usually I take the electromagnetic horsecart, as I then can decide wheter it is more appropriate to transform away the magnetic or the electric field in the problem. Sometimes I look at v and B (like looking at dipolarization of the magnetotail) and sometimes I look at j and E (like looking at the acceleration region above the aurora). Most often though, you will find in my papers that I look at v, B and j.
 
You done with your tantrum?

This from the guy that can't post a single post without the emotional crutch of a personal attack. Case in point.

Did you understand my fourth grade level lesson on the nickname "dark energy"? Or shall I try again only dumb it down a little so maybe it's understandable by a third grade kid?

All you really have to do is just "show me". If some guy came to my door claiming his fancy new vacuum cleaner ran on "dark energy", I'd certainly like to see him demonstrate that claim on my carpet before I bought it, and I'd probably want to take it apart before I bought it. Wouldn't you? Seeing is believing. I believe that your invisible entities are figments of your overactive imagination. Demonstrate your cause/effect claim empirically, here and now on Earth before you start waving at the sky and creating invisible friends to stuff into an otherwise wonderful GR formula.

You can't do that of course, so you'll just go on with your incredibly lame personal attacks and you'll hope nobody sees what an impotent set gods you believe in.
 
So what? The living entities described in the theory of evolution were *always* present on the Earth from day one of the theory. We could take these very physical things apart atom by atom over time because they have always existed here on Earth.

Inflation has *NEVER* existed in Earth. You must see that clear difference.



How can you sit there and honestly compare a tangible thing, in this case physical life forms that exist on Earth to inflation that has *NEVER* existed on Earth?

Since day one we isolated A) real things that exist on Earth that we could B) put under the microscope and take apart atom by atom. How is that even remotely like inflation theory since inflation was DEAD AND GONE long before the Earth even formed? You're comparing metaphysical (no shows in the lab) to empirical oranges (lifeforms that exist on Earth). They aren't even related in terms of physics. One exists here on Earth (lifeforms with DNA) and one does not. Which one does not? Just start by honestly answering that question PS. When you answer it, you'll know the very tangible and very real difference between the two theories. Darwin *always* applied his theory to something that tangibly exists on Earth. Even if it took us awhile to fully understand (or begin to understand) the mechanism, it was *ALWAYS* possible. When can I expect to see inflation do something to a real atom in a real science experiment on Earth? My lifetime? 100,000 lifetimes? Never?

I am using your own words: *CONTROL MECHANISM*. Stop being evasive! The theory of evolution was a viable scientific theory for well over a hundred years without a *CONTROL MECHANISM*. You said:
...that the "scientific method" should and must include "control mechanisms", otherwise it quickly turns into a "religion" that requires faith in the "unseen"...
These are your words, so where was the *CONTROL MECHANISM* for evolution over the last hundred and fifty years? Stop lashing out with evasions, excuses and lies, and just admit you are wrong!
 
I am using your own words: *CONTROL MECHANISM*. Stop being evasive! The theory of evolution was a viable scientific theory for well over a hundred years without a *CONTROL MECHANISM*.

Boloney. The "control mechanism" could simply have been a new type of prey added to the environment of any physical experiment involving living things! Because lifeforms do physically exist on Earth, they can be "controlled". How do I "control" inflation? Get real.

You said: These are your words, so where was the *CONTROL MECHANISM* for evolution over the last hundred and fifty years? Stop lashing out with evasions, excuses and lies, and just admit you are wrong!

First you'll have to demonstrate it. :) It seems to me that your burying yourself in an empirical hole here. The control mechanisms for an empirical test of evolutionary theory does not *HAVE* to be directly related to DNA. That seems to be the glaring flaw in your logic, along with the fact that you're ignoring the obvious difference between theories related to empirically tangible things (in this case lifeforms on Earth) to inflation which is NEVER been seen on Earth. IMO it's sad that you *refuse* to see these clear distinctions.
 
How can you sit there and honestly compare a tangible thing, in this case physical life forms that exist on Earth to inflation that has *NEVER* existed on Earth?
I have to coment on this: Is the universe and the Earth *TANGIBLE* enough for you?
You obviously do not realize that the observed structure of the universe (including galaxies and thus the Earth) is explained by an inflationary period in the early universe. See the observational status of inflation
Inflation is a concrete mechanism for realizing the cosmological principle which is the basis of the standard model of physical cosmology: it accounts for the homogeneity and isotropy of the observable universe. In addition, it accounts for the observed flatness and absence of magnetic monopoles. Since Guth's early work, each of these observations has received further confirmation, most impressively by the detailed observations of the cosmic microwave background made by the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) spacecraft.[46] This analysis shows that the universe is flat to an accuracy of at least a few percent, and that it is homogeneous and isotropic to a part in 10,000.

In addition, inflation predicts that the structures visible in the universe today formed through the gravitational collapse of perturbations which were formed as quantum mechanical fluctuations in the inflationary epoch.
So we can honestly say that inflation is a scientific theory that predicts things that we can test now.
Of course it is not the only theory that can do this. This is science that we are talking about, not religion.

As for your obsession with things existing on Earth:
  • Stars have *NEVER* existed on Earth :).
  • Galaxies have *NEVER* existed on Earth :).
  • Neutron stars have *NEVER* existed on Earth :).
  • Black holes have *NEVER* existed on Earth :).
  • etc.
In fact everything that we observe in the universe has *NEVER* existed on Earth :).

But real scientists realize that empirical measurements (and this includes observations, Michael Mozina) allow us to deduce what the universe does now, did in the past and may do in the future.
 
Do your own dirty work Mozina, type in the correct words in ADS and you get a whole list.

Shall do. You don't mind if I ignore your rants do you?

You *DON'T* WANT evidence, because that would shatter your fantasy world in which you are right and every body *ACTUALLA* working in the field is a fraud and a lier.

That's not true for two reason. I don't believe everyone in your industry is a fraud and a lair. That is your little strawman and it has nothing to do with my opinions. Secondly I am quite interested in the material, particularly anything related to circuits and solar theory.

I do think your industry has an emotional attachment to what Alfven called "pseudoscience" and you have not desire to bring your theories into alignment with A) particle physics theory or B) electrical engineering principles. That part is kinda sad from my perspective, and there is a stubbornness related to the fixation on the field orientation of MHD theory IMO. At no time did I claim you or anyone else was a "fraud". Anyone can just be wrong without any sort of malicious intent.

Yes, reconnection exists and happens and no it is not induction because induction is a totally different phenomenon, which has been explained to you till everybody got sick of it.

What everyone got sick of was the fact you *COULD NOT* differentiate MR theory from induction or collisions. Somehow it's all my fault it requires "circuits" to change their flow patterns to make your theories work in the lab.

You still have not presented any evidence that you have such a "*INDUCTION"* model and how it can be used to describe to topological (difficult word, you might want to look it up in a dictionary) changes in the Earth's magnetotail or in a solar flare on the Sun.

Why? Birkeland described and even simulated the process in the lab. What's the big enigma of "current flow"?

Next to that you also have no working knowledge about electrodynamics, that is why you are so gung-ho on circuit theory.

Er no. I'm "gung-ho" on the idea because Alfven used a "circuit" orientation when describing events in space and they make sense.

I'll come back to the rest of your post in a bit.
 
All you really have to do is just "show me". If some guy came to my door claiming his fancy new vacuum cleaner ran on "dark energy", I'd certainly like to see him demonstrate that claim on my carpet before I bought it, and I'd probably want to take it apart before I bought it. Wouldn't you? Seeing is believing. I believe that your invisible entities are figments of your overactive imagination. Demonstrate your cause/effect claim empirically, here and now on Earth before you start waving at the sky and creating invisible friends to stuff into an otherwise wonderful GR formula.

You can't do that of course, so you'll just go on with your incredibly lame personal attacks and you'll hope nobody sees what an impotent set gods you believe in.


Normally I would think it would take an incredibly stupid person to misunderstand what I've said as simple as I've said it. But you have shown a serious lack of qualification to understand communication above the level of about a 10 year old child, so giving you the benefit of the doubt because of your apparent deficiency, let me try this again. Did you understand my explanation about how dark energy is a nickname for the cause, which we agree exists, for the accelerated expansion of the Universe, an effect which we observe and measure, empirically, in labs right here on Earth? Here's your opportunity to learn something you never knew before, Michael. If you didn't get it, I can make it simpler, target it to about the level of an eight year old child. So, did you understand? Yes or no?

Oh, and your continuing to infer that I believe in any gods makes you a liar.
 
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Michale Mozina said:
But DNA has *ALWAYS* shown up on Earth even before we knew how to physically manipulate it!



The only 'dishonest" thing is comparing a real tangible, physical thing (like DNA) to inflation faeries that have *NEVER* shown up on Earth and *CANNOT EVER* show up on Earth. Such a comparison is both scientifically bankrupt and irrational IMO. DNA shows up on Earth. Dark energy doesn't. Do you *HONESTLY* not see that distinction?
Come on! You must know that DNA was discovered as the carrier of genetic information in the fifties! As I said, "the theory of evolution has been a viable scientific theory for well over a hundred years without any control mechanisms." Are you not capable of an honest discussion?
You're speaking Basque, PS, and MM is speaking !Kung.

Something is "a real tangible, physical thing (like DNA)", for MM, when he says it is (and if he says it isn't, then it isn't). There's no logic to this, it's entirely ad hoc and arbitrary.

For example, Mozplasmas, Mozodes, Mozwinds are real, tangible things, in MM's religion, simply because he says they are (and Mozeparation is a real, tangible physical process) - this is a particularly good set of examples because none have ever shown up in any lab, here on Earth, in experiments each of which have a "*CONTROL MECHANISM*".

To MM, electromagnetism is a real, tangible thing, as is gravity.

But what links a Tesco plasma ball with a fridge magnet with what makes the fridge work with the crackle on your AM radio when there's a thunderstorm nearby with what FERMI detects? Many things, but central to the links is some of these:

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IOW, without the chicken scratches, there is no such thing as electromagnetism! :jaw-dropp

You could even say that the chicken scratches *ARE* electromagnetism!! :eye-poppi

Similarly with gravity.

So, just as Tesco plasma balls are to electromagnetism, dark matter is to gravity.

Then why all the MM histrionics? Because MM missed the quantitative boat, about 500 years ago, and rather than try to understand that electromagnetism is chicken scratches, say, he has invented a religion to stand in the place of science, a sort of mythologising of Aristotle if you will.
 
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The particle acceleration comes from the tension of the magnetic field which is released.
That already has a proper scientific name. It's called "induction".
Oh so wrong as usual, Michael Mozina:
Electromagnetic induction
Electromagnetic induction is the production of voltage across a conductor moving through a magnetic field.
This is not electrons being accelerated by a change in the topology of a magnetic field. That happens to be a consequence of something called "magnetic reconnection" :eye-poppi!

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Yes, reconnection exists and happens and no it is not induction because induction is a totally different phenomenon, which has been explained to you till everybody got sick of it.
refers to a couple of threads and many posts where this has been pointed out to MM. I will not list them all, just cite one
Magnetic Reconnection Redux VII
Why not induction?
Now, Mozina insists that what we are really seeing is induction. Is this a reasonable assertion? At the level of real physics it appears to be unrealistic. We know that induction is invariably constrained (or unconstrained) by the characteristic diffusion time for the magnetic field in a given environment. Remember that in the process of induction, the magnetic field move with respect to the charged particles, and it is that relative motion between field & particle that determines the transfer of energy from the magnetic field to the particles. Let me quote once again from Priest & Forbes, this time from section 1.1 ("The Origins of Reconnection Theory"), pages 6-7: "For example, solar flares release stored magnetic energy in the corona within a period of 100 s. By comparison, the time-scale for magnetic dissipation based on a global scale length of 105 km is of the order of 106 yrs. Typically, phenomena like the solar flare and the substorm require a significant fraction of the stored magnetic energy to be converted within a few Alfven time-scales. Such rapid time-scales are easily achieved in ideal MHD processes, but not in non-ideal ones. Although ideal MHD processes can release energy quickly, they rarely release a significant amount because of the topological constraints which exist in the absence of dissipation. In contrast, magnetic reconnection is not topologically constrained, and therefore it can release much greater amounts of energy (Kivelson and Russell, 1995)."

Here is a small list some of my own posts on the topic of magnetic reconnection, mostly from the plasma cosmology thread.

 
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You're speaking Basque, PS, and MM is speaking !Kung.

Something is "a real tangible, physical thing (like DNA)", for MM, when he says it is (and if he says it isn't, then it isn't). There's no logic to this, it's entirely ad hoc and arbitrary.

For example, Mozplasmas, Mozodes, Mozwinds are real, tangible things, in MM's religion, simply because he says they are

Care to quote me where I claimed any of those things are "real" or shall we just assume that you simply made up those terms yourself and this whole thing is a silly strawman of your own creation?

Hoy.
 
Boloney. The "control mechanism" could simply have been a new type of prey added to the environment of any physical experiment involving living things! Because lifeforms do physically exist on Earth, they can be "controlled". How do I "control" inflation? Get real.


First you'll have to demonstrate it. :) It seems to me that your burying yourself in an empirical hole here. The control mechanisms for an empirical test of evolutionary theory does not *HAVE* to be directly related to DNA. That seems to be the glaring flaw in your logic, along with the fact that you're ignoring the obvious difference between theories related to empirically tangible things (in this case lifeforms on Earth) to inflation which is NEVER been seen on Earth. IMO it's sad that you *refuse* to see these clear distinctions.

Again, and for the last time. You said:
: ...that the "scientific method" should and must include "control mechanisms", otherwise it quickly turns into a "religion" that requires faith in the "unseen"...
Evolution was a viable scientific theory well before the discovery of DNA. Its scientific basis was the corroborating evidence of geology, morphology, embryology, etc. There was no experiment with a "control mechanism" for evolution. Will you admit that or not? If not, we are done here! I will dismiss you as a liar -- as Gee Mack has so often identified you.
 
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All you really have to do is just "show me". If some guy came to my door claiming his fancy new vacuum cleaner ran on "dark energy", I'd certainly like to see him demonstrate that claim on my carpet before I bought it, and I'd probably want to take it apart before I bought it. Wouldn't you? Seeing is believing. I believe that your invisible entities are figments of your overactive imagination. Demonstrate your cause/effect claim empirically, here and now on Earth before you start waving at the sky and creating invisible friends to stuff into an otherwise wonderful GR formula.

You can't do that of course, so you'll just go on with your incredibly lame personal attacks and you'll hope nobody sees what an impotent set gods you believe in.


Since you have shown a serious lack of qualification to understand communication above the level of about a 10 year old child, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and set aside the possibility of pure raw stupidity for a moment, and I'll try this again. Did you understand my explanation about how dark energy is a nickname for the cause, which we agree exists, for the accelerated expansion of the Universe, an effect which we observe and measure, empirically, in labs right here on Earth? You can learn something here that you never knew before, Michael.

If you didn't get it, I can make it simpler, target it to about the level of an eight year old child. So, did you understand? Yes or no? No tantrum necessary. No crying, whining, or cowering in fear. The question isn't about what is or is not dark energy or what does or does not cause the expansion of the Universe. The question is whether you understood my explanation about the term dark energy being a nickname for the cause. Did you get it?

Oh, and your continued inference that I believe in any gods is another of your many, many lies.
 

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