Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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Since Bjarne seems to have descended permanently into unadulterated verbal flatulence, I shall now put him on ignore.

Don't bother to answer, Bjarne; your posts will not be visible to me.

Hans
 
Since Bjarne seems to have descended permanently into unadulterated verbal flatulence, I shall now put him on ignore.

Hans


This is wise Hans
Give it up
Science Fiction (conflicting with science itself) can NEVER be science.
It can NEVER even be a theory.
And even not a hypothesis, since science itself have disproven it's raison d'être
Don’t expect everyone to take your naïve picture of the Universe serious.
 
Why doesn't the Solar System expand if the whole Universe is expanding - Answered

Nobody have ever observed that photon energy (apparently lost due to cosmological redshift) .... is converted to gravity.
RC.... stop this crap.
Stop lying, Bjarne: I never said that anyone observed this.
What people have observed is the redshift. That means that either
  1. the energy is going somewhere (GR suggests that this is is into gravitational potential energy).
  2. the energy is just vanishing (that is Ok because it is not certain that energy is conserved globally in GR)
Haleluja halejula
Amen.
Science:
  • if energy is conserved globally then the energy lost by cosmologically red-shifted photons goes into the gravitational field.
  • if energy is not conserved globally then there is no problem - - the photons just lose energy!.
Haleluja halejula
Amen.
More of your ignorance. It is science:
The objective scientific method is
We do not measure an expanding universe locally (within the Local Group). The reason that we do not is that gravity dominates, .

No, The blue shift from Andromeda is not caused due to Cosmological Redshift but simple Doppler effect
Andromeda is approaching us.
This is something very different.
That is the whole point: According to your ignorant delusion, the expansion of space always dominates. Thus is it impossible for any galaxy to approach any other galaxy.
The fact that blue shift from Andromeda is simple Doppler effect is because gravity dominates, i.e. is pulling Andromeda toward us (and us toward Andromeda).

Why doesn't the Solar System expand if the whole Universe is expanding - Answered
On 11 July 2011 and still not understood by Bjarne

This is not surprising since Bjarne has displayed an inability to understand the simplist sceience, e.g. from
The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked) :
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no :eye-poppi!

Two years, 9 months and counting!
​
And since tyou are too lazy or ignorant or whatever to follow links to the published science:
The influence of the cosmological expansion on local systems, 1998, F. I. Cooperstock, V. Faraoni, D. N. Vollick (Astrophysical Journal)
Following renewed interest, the problem of whether the cosmological expansion affects the dynamics of local systems is reconsidered. The cosmological correction to the equations of motion in the locally inertial Fermi normal frame (the relevant frame for astronomical observations) is computed. The evolution equations for the cosmological perturbation of the two--body problem are solved in this frame. The effect on the orbit is insignificant as are the effects on the galactic and galactic--cluster scales.
(my emphasis added)
 
This is excactly the point
Grandmother will not understand it.
The point that you are demonstrating is just that you are dumber than your grandmother. We have explained things in simple enough terms that your grandmother could understand it (unless she was a dumb as the cows in your cow fetish :D).

The real point is that you are trying to overturm GR with your invalid ideas without having any real knowledge of GR or for that matter physics in general.

P.S. Daylightstar's question is still unanswered:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7236431#post7236431
5.6 * 603 = 1,209,600 ...
Could you walk us through your calculation and explain what the numbers mean?
 
Stop lying, Bjarne: I never said that anyone observed this.
What people have observed is the redshift. That means that either
  1. the energy is going somewhere (GR suggests that this is is into gravitational potential energy).
  2. the energy is just vanishing (that is Ok because it is not certain that energy is conserved globally in GR)

I think you forgot; - 3.) - OR that the whole speculation is WRONG.

  • if energy is conserved globally then the energy lost by cosmologically red-shifted photons goes into the gravitational field.
NO EVIDENCE that such CAN happen.

  • if energy is not conserved globally then there is no problem - - the photons just lose energy!.
Energy CANNOT be lost, - this is basic physic.

More of your ignorance. It is science:
The objective scientific method is
We do not measure an expanding universe locally (within the Local Group). The reason that we do not is that gravity dominates, .
Rubbish....
Only speculation
I mean can a ghost pull a cow ?
You don't know the nature of the so-called expanding Uiniverse, - how can you know that gravity CAN counteract ?
Can gravity also counteracts ghost's ? magnetism ? haleluja ? etc ?

That is the whole point: According to your ignorant delusion, the expansion of space always dominates. Thus is it impossible for any galaxy to approach any other galaxy.
The fact that blue shift from Andromeda is simple Doppler effect is because gravity dominates, i.e. is pulling Andromeda toward us (and us toward Andromeda).

Andromeda is approaching us YES.
All galaxies MOVES (PHYSICAL) in cluster of galaxies YES
This is NOT the point….

The point is; the Universe DO NOT expand.

EVERYTHING deforms due to the lost of gravity (dark matter is converted to dark energy).

THIS is what creates all the illusion you believe in.

The deformation is completely different; as you believe; - when gravity gradually is lost everything gets relative "smaller", - also the Sun, The Earth, the meter stick and you too, and distances to this and that, - as well as time is contracting (ticks faster) .......All with the same rate / factor....
The only way we can discover is when we recieve "time stamps" from the past.. This is what cosmologican redshift is about...

THIS is able to explain both cosmological redshift AND the illusion that the “expansion is accelerating” ...

IN FACT - IT IS NOT NECCESERRY TO INVENT OTHER SPACE DEFORMING PROPERTIES AS THE ONE ALLREADY KNOWN DUE TO GENERERAL RELATIVITY.

SO WHY INVENT THAT NEW SO CALLED EXPANDING PROPERTY OF SPACE, and all the nonsence as follows + ignoring 2 major conflicts with science it self ?.

Advise; -
ALL you should allow you self to understand it that Gravity is (relative slowly) changing dramatically before and after a BB.
The ignorance of that is the reason to all the rubbish that goes on in holy science books..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkN1FbHLSc
 
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P.S. Daylightstar's question is still unanswered:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7236431#post7236431
5.6 * 603 = 1,209,600 ...
Could you walk us through your calculation and explain what the numbers mean?

superscript by Daylightstar
Thanks Reality Check.
Just watch out for copy/pasting the superscript 3-value, copy/paste doesn't pick up the superscript.

Yes Bjarne, Could you walk us through your calculation and explain what the numbers mean?
 
I think you forgot; - 3.) - OR that the whole speculation is WRONG.
There is no speculation but the third option would be
3) General Relativity is wrong despite the fact that it has been extensively tested and found to be correct.

NO EVIDENCE that such CAN happen.
Wrong: Gravitational redshift has been measured and is EVIDENCE that such CAN happen.

Energy CANNOT be lost, - this is basic physic.
Wrong: We observe that energy is conserved, e.g. light redshifts in a gravitational field and its energy is converted into gravitational potential energy.
This is an observation. We have not detected any exceptions to this yet and so we have the law of conservation of energy.
General Relativity though is an exception. There is no evidence that energy is always conserved in GR.
Is Energy Conserved in General Relativity?

In special cases, yes. In general — it depends on what you mean by "energy", and what you mean by "conserved".

Rubbish....
...snipped cow fetish...
The point is; the Universe DO NOT expand.
...snipped gibberish...
The point is: only a truly ignorant person would think that the universe was not expanding when the evidence is that it is.
It is not just redshift, Bjarne: What is the evidence for the Big Bang?
The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang. None of these prove the Big Bang, since scientific theories are not proven. Many of these facts are consistent with the Big Bang and some other cosmological models, but taken together these observations show that the Big Bang is the best current model for the Universe. These observations include:
The observations listed above are consistent with the Big Bang or with the Steady State model, but many observations support the Big Bang over the Steady State:
  • Radio source and quasar counts vs. flux. These show that the Universe has evolved.
  • Existence of the blackbody CMB. This shows that the Universe has evolved from a dense, isothermal state.
  • Variation of TCMB with redshift. This is a direct observation of the evolution of the Universe.
  • Deuterium, 3He, 4He, and 7Li abundances. These light isotopes are all well fit by predicted reactions occurring in the First Three Minutes.
Finally, the angular power spectrum of the CMB anisotropy that does exist at the several parts per million level is consistent with a dark matter dominated Big Bang model that went through the inflationary scenario.

Another bit of evidence for an evolving universe is the Lyman-alpha forest. This shows that as you look further away (and so into the past) the percentage of neutral hydrogen in the universe increases. This is evidence that galaxies have not always existed since it is light from their stars that ionizes neutral hydrogen.

And then there are the usual questions about a non-expanding and thus eternal universe:
  • Where are the infinitely old stars?
  • For that matter where are the stars that are > 13.7 billion years old?
  • Where are the infinitely heavy stars?
  • Galaxies collide and get bigger - where the infinitely large galaxies?
  • Why is there any neutral hydrogen in the universe when there has radiation ionizing it for infinity.
 
Wrong: Gravitational redshift has been measured and is EVIDENCE that such CAN happen.

You cannot equalize redshift and relativity, - also not redshift and the idea that the Universe expands. Cows have known this in 13,4 billion years.

Wrong: We observe that energy is conserved, e.g. light redshifts in a gravitational field and its energy is converted into gravitational potential energy.
This is an observation. We have not detected any exceptions to this yet and so we have the law of conservation of energy.
General Relativity though is an exception.
There is no evidence that energy is always conserved in GR.
Crap from A to Z, - Photon Energy cannot be converted to gravity, the whole idea that photons gains mass due to "speed" is wrong. Photons do not interact with space, in the same way as particle; - you cannot equ8alize these 2 phenomena. - I know this is what many believe, but is misunderstood. Photons are always massless.

The point is: only a truly ignorant person would think that the universe was not expanding when the evidence is that it is.
It is not just redshift, Bjarne: What is the evidence for the Big Bang?
The idea that the Universe really expands is simply based on wrong interpretation of “signals” .
A deformation take place, - YES.’
But only a proportional equal deformation (of everything included time) happens.
The law responsible is already known from General Relativity.
It happens simply due to the Universe is gradually loosing gravity.
That’s it so simple is can possible be.
We do not need more as the knowledge already existing and understood.
This is the true cause of so called cosmological redshift.
Cosmological redshift is In fact 100 % identical to gravitational redshift, - there are no difference.
So what “we” really are doing is to inventing the deep plate twice.

Another bit of evidence for an evolving universe is the Lyman-alpha forest. This shows that as you look further away (and so into the past) the percentage of neutral hydrogen in the universe increases. This is evidence that galaxies have not always existed since it is light from their stars that ionizes neutral hydrogen.

And then there are the usual questions about a non-expanding and thus eternal universe:
  • Where are the infinitely old stars?
  • For that matter where are the stars that are > 13.7 billion years old?
  • Where are the infinitely heavy stars?
  • Galaxies collide and get bigger - where the infinitely large galaxies?
  • Why is there any neutral hydrogen in the universe when there has radiation ionizing it for infinity.

RC, - now do you self a favor, try serious to figure out what we disagree - before attacking something you have not understood. .

I do NOT deny a BigBang had happen 13,7 billion years ago.
My version says; - the size of the Universe is always RELATIVE the same.
When the BB took place gravity was extreme, hence also EVERY SIZE OF EVERYTHING AS WELL AS DISTANCES was REALTIVE "bigger" and time was ticking extremely relative /propotional slower.

Even though gravity from time to time is changing extremely much, the universe ALWAYS looks the same, because EVERYTHING changes proportional, - both the size of all kind of matter, distances and time.

YOU believe distances to this and that is affected.
This bring you to a place of NOTHING when the BB took place.

How probable do you belive that REALLY is.

What technique could bring a cow as well as space inside the cow and time around the cow to a place of NOTHING ?

This idea is IMPOSSIBLE, - it do not happen.

THIS is where we disagrees.

RELATIVE, sizes of different matter, (stars, planets, cows) + distances, + time is deforming proportional due to background gravity, and that's it.

The extreme mass brainwashed idea that the Universe come out of NOTHING seems to be based on not only failure of logical coherence thinking, but such extreme lack of logic is IMPOSSIBLE to relate to.
How can NOTHING create everything?
This is utopia.

In physic as well as purely logical humans we are used to think; - there must have been a reason’s to everything.

  • What was the cause of BigBang?
  • If the Universe really comes out of nothing why did it happen?
  • How could so much energy be brought together?
  • Which force could keep the energy together until the BB went of?
  • As you know the strong force did not work after the time when BB went of, - you know that right? – So WHAT force is left to blame ?
  • What about gravity ?
  • How was the “structure of space when BB went of?
  • Even though mass from a previous universe is gone (in a split second) gravity will survive, - you know that, - right ?

The size of the Universe is always relative to everything else, - the same.
Gravity affects distances as well as matter and time, - which mean that stars, planets, cows etc. is always changing RELATIVE size from time to, - depending on how strong the background gravity is from time to time.

Responsible for the background gravity is SPEED of matter.

When speed of matter around that huge “galaxy” you call the Universe, goes mad, gravity does the same, and since gravity goes mad, speed of matter goes more mad, and because speed of matter mad goes more mad gravity goes more mad, and because …….etc...etc… BBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNGGGGGG.

The explosion did not happen from a central place, BUT a whole Universe was exploding.

THAT’S the difference between you NOTHING version, and my EVERYTHING version.

Not only cows are intelligent, many human’s are too.
Many scientists believe that a BigChunch can trigger a BigBang, and that this can go on forever. BUT THEY HAVE NO IDEAR HOW ...

It is easy to understand how this process is POSSIBLE.
Do you self the favor to ask question as for exsample; WHAT POSSIBLE could keep the extreme energy together, that caused the BigBang?

Be honest, you have no idea at all.

You are completely lost in the bush, - right?

Try to watch this video, - you can also learn (3th part) that if BB is like you believe it to be we MUST be able to detect a HUGE gravity wave.
But we are NOT.

Do you know why?

Answer; We have already detected that gravity wave, - the name for this is; Dark Energy.


Gravity is outplaying the strong force, - from time to time, - this = BAAAANNNNGG

Wake up RC. – Wake up.

 
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You cannot equalize redshift and relativity, - also not redshift and the idea that the Universe expands.

How idiotic:
  • Gravitaional redshift is a measured consequence of relativity.
  • The measured redshift of galaxies and that it varies liearly with distance (the Hubble law) is evidenc ethat the universe is expanding.
Crap from A to Z, - Photon Energy cannot be converted to gravity
Ignorance from A to Z: Photon energy is measured to be converted to gravitational potential energy.
There is no change in speed. The energy of a photon is related to its frequency.

..gibberish snipped.. .
I do NOT deny a BigBang had happen 13,7 billion years ago.
My version says; - the size of the Universe is always RELATIVE the same.
Then your verioion is idiotic because the universe has been measured to be expanding.
What is the evidence for the Big Bang?
The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang. None of these prove the Big Bang, since scientific theories are not proven. Many of these facts are consistent with the Big Bang and some other cosmological models, but taken together these observations show that the Big Bang is the best current model for the Universe. These observations include:
The observations listed above are consistent with the Big Bang or with the Steady State model, but many observations support the Big Bang over the Steady State:
  • Radio source and quasar counts vs. flux. These show that the Universe has evolved.
  • Existence of the blackbody CMB. This shows that the Universe has evolved from a dense, isothermal state.
  • Variation of TCMB with redshift. This is a direct observation of the evolution of the Universe.
  • Deuterium, 3He, 4He, and 7Li abundances. These light isotopes are all well fit by predicted reactions occurring in the First Three Minutes.
Finally, the angular power spectrum of the CMB anisotropy that does exist at the several parts per million level is consistent with a dark matter dominated Big Bang model that went through the inflationary scenario.

When the BB took place gravity was extreme,
Wrong - gravity was the same as it is now.
The rest is just delusions.

The explosion did not happen from a central place, BUT a whole Universe was exploding.

THAT’S the difference between you NOTHING version, and my EVERYTHING version.
An actual lie (or abysmal ignorance): The Big Bang was the whole Universe exploding.

you can also learn (3th part) that if BB is like you believe it to be we MUST be able to detect a HUGE gravity wave.
Answer; We have already detected that gravity wave, - the name for this is; Dark Energy.
Answer: You and the author of that video are totally ignorant.
The BB is predicted to have generated gravitational waves. Like all gravitational waves they are VERY VERY WEAK. But we have instruments that have the chance of detecting them.

Gravitational waves cannot cause the negative pressure that is a requirement of dark energy.

The idoicy of one crank linking to another crank's videos is obvious.

Also
 
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How idiotic:
Gravitaional redshift is a measured consequence of relativity.
Crap, General relativity was invented before someone claimed that Universe (apparently) was expanding.

The measured redshift of galaxies and that it varies liearly with distance (the Hubble law) is evidenc ethat the universe is expanding.
Crap, - so-called cosmological redshift can be explained as (caused by); simply gravitionel redshift.

Ignorance from A to Z: Photon energy is measured to be converted to gravitational potential energy.
Crap, - you cannot measure such.

Bjarne
I do NOT deny a BigBang had happen 13,7 billion years ago.
My version says; - the size of the Universe is always RELATIVE the same.
RC
Then your verioion is idiotic because the universe has been measured to be expanding.
No... Cosmological redshift do NOT prove the expanding fantasy perspective of the Universe.
The fact that many believe in a lie, doesn’t make it true.
You believe that the apparently change of the photons frequency = expansion. – In fact the photon do NOT change it’s frequency, - change of time and distance over time will have exactly that influence.
The deformation of space according to the properties of general relativity is ENOUGH to explain that.
THIS is how to understand what really happens.

This is only evidence for how derailed the human race can get.
YES BigBang happens, - but it do not mean it size was (almost) nothing and also not that space expands.
The reason that things can go so wrong is for example that no one understood the basic coherent nature of space in the first place.

For exsample;.
  • What curved space and its opposite gravity waves REALLY are ?
  • What was causing BigBang ?
  • How strong was gravity in that moment of BB?
Failing (a deeper) understanding of how such basic fundamental phenomena’s of nature/space is and how these are connected is the rood; to that all what can go wrong will go wrong and a derail MUST happen, - so certain like AMEN in the church.
The simple (overlooked) flexible nature of space, and how that affects and explain EVERTHING, is the true reason to that pathetic picture of the Universe we have today.
Much more pathetic is it when a world of blindfolded follower naïve believes that this is the road to the truth, ignoring that 2 BIG bell’s already has rung :

Bell1;
Blindfolded “scientist” overlooked that photon energy cannot disappeared, - there are NO EVIDENCE that photon energy goes unto gravity (also not that the energy is converted to cow dung or 1000 other silly pure fantasy suggestions.

Bell2;
Local distances are NOT affected of the so called expanding universe.
So we can IN FACT MEASSURE = The so-called expansion DOES NOT HAPPEN.
There are NO EVIDENCE that ghost’s or Ufo’s counteracts the fantasy (local) expansion.
There is also NO EVIDENCE that gravity does.

The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang…snipped
I don’t deny that BigBang have happened as well as it will happen again.
I only deny the expansion of anything the way you understand it.
All what happens is gravity is always changing, - this creates ONLY an optical illusion; that the Universe "apparently" expands. .

An actual lie (or abysmal ignorance): The Big Bang was the whole Universe exploding.

Right but the problems are:
That you believe the Universe was billion times smaller as an ant.
THIS is where the chain seriously went of for you.
The Universe have NEVER been that small.
The Universe did NOT pop up from nothing.
Nothing have brought the energy of the Universe together to a dot of NOTHING.
This idea is impossible and hence naive to accept.

The scenario is completely different.
Gravity will slowly and after billion years go mad (due to increasing speed), - as a consequence distances (and EVERYTHING) relative to everything else will change propotional.
This is a statement based on what CAN happen based on certain knowledge.
After a BigBang the deformation will reverse.
Such pulsation of distances and time, is what happens.
A pulsation between BigBang’s and BigChrunch MUST happen. Otherwise the cause of a BigBang is impossible.
ONLY speed of the Universe can trigger such extreme energy/explosion.
All what happen can be comprehended by GR.
It is NOT necessary and no basic to invent the nuts naïve idea that all expanded from nothing.

As I wrote, you should start to understand how extremely huge energy could be brought together to a small small small point billion times smaller as an ant.
No force in nature can do that.
You do ignore ; what possible CAN have caused the BigBang version you believe in..
The fact is NOTHING CAN CAUSE SUCH TO HAPPEN , in the way you believe it have happen.
BUT speed CAN cause gravity to go mad.
THIS can trigger a BigBang. This CAN happen.
Come on RC, nothing in nature is so extreme like this extreme brainwashed idea you believe in - even not Al-Qaeda . .
I am sorry to say it, but the truth is that many are a victim for holly authoritarian turbo fantasy.
I honestly feel sorry for all the million of peoples that are brainwashed with such creeds, billion of light-years from common sense.

The BB is predicted to have generated gravitational waves. Like all gravitational waves they are VERY VERY WEAK. But we have instruments that have the chance of detecting them.
Advise
Start to understand WHAT is really “curved space”
Next, WHAT is really a “gravitational wave”?
I hope we both agree that “curved space” as well as “a gravitational wave” is a property of space.
Do you self a favors, try to write to you self some few other words, as the already known, so that you better understand WHAT you are talking about.
When finish try to do the exact same with DARK ENERGY,.
WHAT is dark energy?

The apparently 3 different phenomena, - are in fact one.
THIS can wipe out all the gravity mysteries WE have created.
 
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Crap, General relativity was invented before someone claimed that Universe (apparently) was expanding.
You don't know much about GR do you.


Crap, - so-called cosmological redshift can be explained as (caused by); simply gravitionel redshift.
You don't know anything about redshifts.


This idea is impossible and hence naive to accept.
Your inability to think is not the problem of real scientists.


Gravity will slowly and after billion years go mad...
Nice technical explanation there, I don't suppose you have anything even remotely resembling evidence?


I honestly feel sorry for all the million of peoples that are brainwashed with such creeds, billion of light-years from common sense.
Ah, that's sweet of you, stupidly arrogant crap, but sweet.


Advise...
Not that you will take any notice, but you should do exactly what you have suggested for others.
 
Crap, General relativity was invented before someone claimed that Universe (apparently) was expanding.
Crap, you are right.
Crap, so what has this to do with the discovery that the universes is expand ind (Hubble's law etc).?
Crap, what has this to to with the fact GR original static universe was instable and that GR describes an expanding universe?

Crap, - so-called cosmological redshift can be explained as (caused by); simply gravitionel redshift.
Crap - you have gone back be being ignorant again.
Cosmological redshift is called cosmological redshift because the only feasible mechanism for creating it is a cosmological expansion of the universe.

Gravitational redshift would require that matter in the unverse was arranged in a specific manner
  1. We are at the center of the universe.
    Thsi is a rather dumb assumption given that there is nothing special about the Mlky Way. That we are not in a special place in the universe is known as the Copernican principle.
    Interesting bit of science: Microwave study bursts Hubble bubble
  2. The density of matter decreases with distance from us.
    The actual measured density of matter in the universe is homogeneous (the same on large scales)
Crap, - you cannot measure such.
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Crap - it has been measured: Gravitational redshift.
Firstly you make the ignorant claim that cosmological redshift is gravitational redshift, now you seem to think that gravitational redshift does not exist :jaw-dropp!

No... Cosmological redshift do NOT prove the expanding fantasy perspective of the Universe.
Yes: Cosmological redshift DOES prove the expanding perspective of the Universe.
The fact that you are ignorant dabout the physics does not make the physics false.

You believe that the apparently change of the photons frequency = expansion. – In fact the photon do NOT change it’s frequency, - change of time and distance over time will have exactly that influence.
The deformation of space according to the properties of general relativity is ENOUGH to explain that.
THIS is how to understand what really happens.
That is more gibberish but....
In fact the photon does change its frequency. That is what redshift means. This is what is actually measured.
The change of time and distance over time has exactly that effect.
The expansion of space according to the properties of general relativity is ENOUGH to explain that.

YES BigBang happens, - but it do not mean it size was (almost) nothing and also not that space expands.
...usual gibberish rant and ignorance snipped....
You are still wrong: The evidence is that the size of teh uniervrse was almost nothing and that it expanded.

THIS can wipe out all the gravity mysteries WE have created.
NOTHING can wipe oput all of the ignorance and delustions that YOU have demonstrated.
There are few mysteries about gravity, if someone can bother to try to understand it rather than stick with delusions pulled out from their stance of ignorance.

Why doesn't the Solar System expand if the whole Universe is expanding - Answered
On 11 July 2011 and still not understood by Bjarne
The influence of the cosmological expansion on local systems, 1998, F. I. Cooperstock, V. Faraoni, D. N. Vollick (Astrophysical Journal)

This is not surprising since Bjarne has displayed an inability to understand the simplist sceience, e.g. from
The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked) :
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no :eye-poppi!

Two years, 9 months and counting!​
 
Crap, you are right.
Crap, so what has this to do with the discovery that the universes is expand ind (Hubble's law etc).?
Crap, what has this to to with the fact GR original static universe was instable and that GR describes an expanding universe?

Einstein invented the cosmological constant, because otherwise gravity would pull all matter together, he believed.
Observation is not something you can use to confirm what really happen, for example to confirm whether the Universe is “collapsing” or not.

There are several reason for that;
  • The parts of the Universe you can see 13,7 Billion LY, could be only a very small fragment of the real size.
  • The Universe could have the same shape as a huge galaxy; - we would then be orbiting that mass. – To a certain extend that would prevent the Universe to collapse (RR would cause matter slowly to spin inwards).
I see you mention Hubble’s laws, this law is based on cosmological redshift, which in fact is gravity redshift.
Which of course mean the law is build on a optical illusion.
Redshift do not prove the Universe expands, but only that we are losing gravity.
So-called dark matter is converted to s-called dark energy. That’s all.

Crap - you have gone back be being ignorant again.
Cosmological redshift is called cosmological redshift because the only feasible mechanism for creating it is a cosmological expansion of the universe.

Gravitational redshift would require that matter in the unverse was arranged in a specific manner
  1. We are at the center of the universe.
    This is a rather dumb assumption given that there is nothing special about the Mlky Way. That we are not in a special place in the universe is known as the Copernican principle.
    Interesting bit of science: Microwave study bursts Hubble bubble
  2. The density of matter decreases with distance from us.
    The actual measured density of matter in the universe is homogeneous (the same on large scales)
My friend the Universe is losing gravity, a lot since BigBang, and it continues. Hence time is also changing (ticking faster and faster & distances are getting relative / proportional longer and longer, doesn’t matter where in the Universe you are) – This is what is causing the so called cosmological redshift.

In fact the photon does change its frequency.
That is what redshift means. This is what is actually measured.
No they do not, -it is a sick idea, nothing else.
When you measure the "old " photon spectra today, - time and distances have change since these was created. The photons are still photons. Photon’s keeps there energy, there are no extremely slow lost of photon energy or change to gravity or other brainwashed creeds.

The change of time and distance over time has exactly that effect.
The expansion of space according to the properties of general relativity is ENOUGH to explain that.
Exactly, finally you understood,- which mean that you now seems to have understood that; distances, gravity and time is changing proportional (since the BigBang) after (and due to) the release of absorbed space (so called dark energy)…

You are still wrong: The evidence is that the size of teh uniervrse was almost nothing and that it expanded.
You should try to think a little serious about that silly idea.
I believe you and plenty other have just accepted that idea as the only possible answer (so far). (and in the meantime the concrete went hard).
The idea that all energy of the Universe possible can be forced inside a dot, billion times smaller like an ant, - is simply naïve, sick, mad and total impossible. Adult people should be more critical before accepting such load of rubbish.

Nothing , - no force in the Universe can bring so much energy to such a point.
The naked truth is that you have no idea what you are talking ( or rather dreaming about) and no one else have either.
So long that idea is so locked in concrete we will never even allow us to think; what could possibly have trigger a BigBang.

I have only left to say; - it is a shame science is so extreme orthodox and inflexible.

The alternative thesis I represent:
  1. Do not conflict with science itself, (so like the expanding space thesis does on 2 large areas).
  2. It can explain why BigBang happened, based on well knowb simple science, - - which your religion cannot.
  3. It can explain / comprehend / and solve all gravity mysteries; such as what is the curvature of space REALLY, what is dark matter REALLY what is dark energy REALLY.
  4. It can form a beautiful syntheses which give you a perfect coherent Universe, without billion of ton of dark this and that (rubbish), - no one knows where to bury.
 
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Einstein invented the cosmological constant, because otherwise gravity would pull all matter together, he believed.
Einstein added the cosmological constant because prevailing theory was that the universe was static. This was (as he put it) his 'greatest blunder' because he did not realize that led to an unstable universe in which any small change leads to a collapsing or expanding uniiverse.
The physcial evidence today is that the universe is expanding.



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  • The Universe could have the same shape as a huge galaxy; - we would then be orbiting that mass. – To a certain extend that would prevent the Universe to collapse (RR would cause matter slowly to spin inwards).
Any mention of your delusion of 'RR' makes this gibberish.

I see you mention Hubble’s laws, this law is based on cosmological redshift, which in fact is gravity redshift.


That is idiotic. Hubbles law is based on 2 measurements
  • The distance of galaxies from us.
  • Their redshift.
The redshift has to be cosmologigical because of the relationship between these 2 measurements.
So-called dark matter is converted to s-called dark energy. That’s all.
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That is all idiotic: Dark matter is matter. Dark energy is energy.

My friend the Universe is losing gravity, a lot since BigBang, and it continues.
My friend you are ignorant: There is no evidence that universe is 'losing gravity'. It acts the same whereever we look at it.

No they do not, -it is a sick idea, nothing else.
When you measure the "old " photon spectra today,...
Yes they do - your ignorance is very sick.
We measure the actual phoron spectra today and see that it is redshifted.


Exactly, finally you understood,- which mean that you now seems to have understood that; distances, gravity and time is changing proportional (since the BigBang) after (and due to) the release of absorbed space (so called dark energy)…
Gibberish.
GR means that space time has expanded.
GR means that gravity has not 'changing proportional'. The source of gravity is everything in the universe. That has not chnaged.

The idea that all energy of the Universe possible can be forced inside a dot, billion times smaller like an ant, - is simply naïve, sick, mad and total impossible. Adult people should be more critical before accepting such load of rubbish.
You are just being dumber than usual: The entire universe being within a dot is science. Adult people have been critical and have accepted this valid science.
Childish, ignorant people ignore the science and demonstrate their brains are a load of rubbish.

Nothing , - no force in the Universe can bring so much energy to such a point.
Gravity - your ignorance is showing again.

ETA
You mentioned your fantasies again so I need to point out your abysmal ignorance of science yet again:
Why doesn't the Solar System expand if the whole Universe is expanding - Answered
On 11 July 2011 and still not understood by Bjarne
The influence of the cosmological expansion on local systems, 1998, F. I. Cooperstock, V. Faraoni, D. N. Vollick (Astrophysical Journal)

This is not surprising since Bjarne has displayed an inability to understand the simplist sceience, e.g. from
The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked) :
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no :eye-poppi!

Two years, 9 months and counting!​
 
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That is idiotic. Hubble’s law is based on 2 measurements
  • The distance of galaxies from us.
  • Their redshift.
The redshift has to be cosmologigical because of the relationship between these 2 measurements.

You can see distances between galaxies, there is also distance between cows, but none of these observations proves that the universe expands.

The second point “cosmological redshift” only shows that “something happens” to the photon spektra – that "something" is; TIME that is changing during the history of the Universe.

You have no-where to hang you hat – RC…
Warm air is all you have.

Bjarne
So-called dark matter is converted to s-called dark energy. That’s all.
RC
That is all idiotic: Dark matter is matter.
You have no proves that so called dark matter is matter, - all you know is that gravity some places are stronger as you expect. – That’s all.

Dark energy is energy.
Try to define ; why you believe it is “energy” and which kind.
A cow is made of energy, and this is real energy.

Adult people have been critical and have accepted this valid science.
Puuuhh, here smells from boasting,...

Bjarne;
Nothing , - no force in the Universe can bring so much energy to such a point.
RC;
Gravity - your ignorance is showing again.
Ohh a little step forward...
But RC even extreme gravity cannot force all energy of the Universe into a small dot.
Adult people should for example THINK what happen all the time stars collapses. It is not possible to compress matter that much you believe….
The sky if full of proves that contradicts that silly idea.
But you know orthodox turbo science are doing big business cheating naïve student. Nothing can stop them, even not common sense.
Furthermore you cannot explain why gravity then should went mad and get so extreme.
Just one more load incoherent rubbish proving that you have no idea what you talk about when you take BB in you mouth.

Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !

The thing is that KE and M increases in the equation below - because of; RESISTANCE AGIANST MOTION. (RR)

KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

The result is a factor , the way we normally use this equation (in this context) - that factor is unit less. YES, - Because it have to be..

But since the basic transformation process happens because of RR, - RR -increase MUST also be proportional to M and KE increase.

I have ask you many times how you would calculate RR (due to acceleration) ?
Well since you do not answer, here is how I would modify the old equation for that purpose.
RESISTANCE AGIANST MOTION. (RR) = (y – 1m/s) - where γ = 1m/s /√(1 - v²/c²)
Are you now happy?
 
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You can see distances between galaxies, there is also distance between cows, but none of these observations proves that the universe expands.
How idiotic: You can measure distances between galaxies. You can measure their redshift. Hubble's law then means that the universe expands.
It is the combination of the measurements that shows that the universe is expanding.

The second point “cosmological redshift” only shows that “something happens” to the photon spektra – that "something" is; TIME that is changing during the history of the Universe.
Gibberish.
Of course TIME changes during the history of the universe. It changes by 1 second per second.

The measured spectra shows that the galaxies are moving away from us and thus the Doppler effect shifts the spectra to the red.

You have no proves that so called dark matter is matter, - all you know is that gravity some places are stronger as you expect. – That’s all.
More ignorance.
We know that dark matter is matter because if acts like matter. It clumps up under the influence of gravity. It affects the motions of galaxies. It affects the motions of stars in galaxies. When two clumps collide it acts like a gas (see my signature).

Interesting bit of sceince for you and the cow you are obsessing about to ignore:
The Smallest Mini-Galaxy in the Universe! (so far)
If this were just a cluster of 1,000 stars bound together under their own gravity, you'd expect the difference between the fastest and slowest-moving stars to be less than 1 km/s. But astronomers found that the slowest stars were moving at 194 km/s, while the fastest move at 224 km/s, meaning there is a tremendous amount of dark matter!
For just 1,000 stars, there is a total mass in this mini-galaxy of 600,000 Solar Masses, meaning that nearly all of the matter in there is dark! With a total mass hovering right around the minimum-sized structure the Universe can form, this is absolutely amazing! It's also one of the oldest objects in the Universe, as pretty much all of the stars are very old, metal poor, Population II stars.

Try to define ; why you believe it is “energy” and which kind.
...sniped cow fetish...
Are you really unable of doing the simple act of clicking on a link or reading?
Dark energy.

But RC even extreme gravity cannot force all energy of the Universe into a small dot.
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Wrong: Adult peoiple know know that the expansion of the universe is nothing to do with gravity.

Adult people knoe that there was no forcing - the universe was just observed to have have been in a hot dense state
  • Hubbles law
  • CMBR
  • etc.
Adult people know that no one knows what happened before the universe was in this hot dense state.
Adult people know that there are several theories as hat happened before the Big Bang.

Adult people should for example THINK what happen all the time stars collapses. It is not possible to compress matter that much you believe….
Adult people know that gravity can overcone all of the known forces if it is extreme enough.
Adult people know that we have observed stars that have been conmpressed enough to create black holes.
Adult people know that we are close to observing the event horizon of a black hole. We're going to see a black hole!!!
The idea of black holes has gone from a curious thought experiment to a theoretical likelihood to a near-certainty -- with thousands of known candidates -- in a very short time.

But never before have we been able to image a black hole directly; all we have are artists' renditions of what they might look like.
And for the first time ever, all of that may be about to change.

KE = (y - 1) mc² - where γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

The result is a factor , the way we normally use this equation (in this context) - that factor is unit less.
The result is you dispaying your ignorance yet again.
The unit less factor is γ.
Your KE is the relativistic kinetic energy of a particle with mass m with respect to its rest state. It has units.

RESISTANCE AGIANST MOTION. (RR) = (y – 1m/s) - where γ = 1m/s /√(1 - v²/c²)
Are you now happy?
Yes - you display your ignorance once again by getting the defintion of γ wrong: γ = 1/√(1 - v²/c²)

And even more ignorant to arbitarily pick a value of 1 m/s. Why is it not 2 m/s? Why not 300,000 m/s? Why not 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s?

If you had any idea about sceince you would devise an experiment to measure RR and so find the multiplier. But the experiments say that RR does not exist:
 
How idiotic: You can measure distances between galaxies. You can measure their redshift. Hubble's law then means that the universe expands.
It is the combination of the measurements that shows that the universe is expanding.
So we are back where we started
All Hubble had wa; - cosmological redshift.
That is not enough to prove what you suggest comrade.

Gibberish.
Of course TIME changes during the history of the universe. It changes by 1 second per second.
Muuuhhh
Time is also deforming propotional with gravity and distances.

The measured spectra shows that the galaxies are moving away from us ...snipped
In no way.... dreamer.

and thus the Doppler effect shifts the spectra to the red.
HEEELLP
PLEASE don’t mix Doppler shift into this again.

We know that dark matter is matter because if acts like matter.
This is the dummest statement I ever have hear.

Dark matter acts as billion of cows, but this doesn’t mean there are so big cow spaceship out in space.

It affects the motions of galaxies. It affects the motions of stars in galaxies.
Nothing but pure gravity (deformation of space) left from a previously Universe.

Wrong: Adult peoiple know know that the expansion of the universe is nothing to do with gravity.
How can they know when they even don’t know
  • what dark energy is,
  • what the cause is, and
  • what gravity REALLY is.

Adult people know that gravity can overcone all of the known forces if it is extreme enough.
But fools know that you or gravity cannot force the Universe into the stomach of an ant. - RC WAKE UP....

And even more ignorant to arbitarily pick a value of 1 m/s. Why is it not 2 m/s? Why not 300,000 m/s? Why not 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s?
Rather ask what ”1” is doing in that equation in the first place.
 
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