Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

tusenfem said:
Dr. Holloman is a statistician, not a physicist, he is probably good in finding correlations (which are not necessarily causations).
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So, basically, the press release is a big bang of spam.
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I would go further than that, tusenfem.
Given no citation to the research by Dr. Holloman, it is possible that this press release by Ben Davidson is lying about the research being connected to earthquakes.
  • The only quoted comment from Dr. Holloman is about the model for solar magnetic fields (no mention of any correlation with earthquakes).
  • There is no mention of the research on Dr. Holloman's SCS profile.
  • A Google search on "Dr. Christopher Holloman earthquakes" seems to only find the press release in various forms.
  • And as you noted, there is no sign of Dr. Holloman publishing on earthquakes.
Probably Dr. Holloman's team just has an unpublished model that predicts solar magnetic fields. Ben Davidson and Dr. Kongpop U-yen are fantasizing about a correlation to earthquakes.
ETA I also stumbled across a transcript from a Suspicious0bservers video containing the lie that they have been predicting "earthquakes for three years, with accuracy".
And more delusions from other videos, e.g. planetary conjunction cause sunspots ("Geocentric Conjunction of Mercury and Jupiter, along with a peak in Sunspot Numbers")
 
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Any theory would also have to explain why satellite orbits are unaffected by all of this. Especially the GPS satellites that have exceptionally acccurate atomic clocks that have to be continuously updated to account for relativistic effects from their relative movements and orbital mechanics.
 
Reality Check said:
Other than the obvious (day and night) not really, hgus.
There would be tiny random fluctuations across the globe due to the random fluctuations across the Sun's surface.
The occasional coronal mass ejection might partially hit the Earth but the energy contained is relatively minor. They look impressive though - thus contributing to the Suspicious0bservers fantasies.
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Thanks for the reply. I suspected that that would be the answer.
 
Mikemcc said:
Any theory would also have to explain why satellite orbits are unaffected by all of this. Especially the GPS satellites that have exceptionally acccurate atomic clocks that have to be continuously updated to account for relativistic effects from their relative movements and orbital mechanics.
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Yes the solar flares seems to be strange. They have very little effect on satellites or anything on the surface BUT they somehow are able to influence tectonic plates!? Haig: Could you please explain explain the mechanism how they are supposed to do this? And please, please in your own words, not by spamming links.
 
Mikemcc said:
Any theory would also have to explain why satellite orbits are unaffected by all of this. Especially the GPS satellites that have exceptionally acccurate atomic clocks that have to be continuously updated to account for relativistic effects from their relative movements and orbital mechanics.
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Yes, the big picture should be considered :eek:

MAGNETICREVERSAL.org - N/S Magnetic Pole Shift http://youtu.be/mhYdYD2CsnA

MAGNETICREVERSAL.org - Weakening of Earth's Magnetic Field http://youtu.be/rxo6L255Pp0

Earthquakes and the Solar System http://youtu.be/iHQm1KdvMnw

Sun Series http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcJj_9clLz7Bggso7qg2PDj
 
hgus said:
Yes the solar flares seems to be strange. They have very little effect on satellites or anything on the surface BUT they somehow are able to influence tectonic plates!? Haig: Could you please explain explain the mechanism how they are supposed to do this? And please, please in your own words, not by spamming links.
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Just think about this for a moment :eye-poppi

It's NOT just the Sun and the Earth that are changing …

The Entire Solar System is Shifting

Venus Winds: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/S...ss/The_fast_winds_of_Venus_are_getting_faster
Venus Rotation: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Venus_Express/Could_Venus_be_shifting_gear
Mars Warming: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Jupiter Stripe: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/20may_loststripe/
Red Jr: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/02mar_redjr/
Jupiter Radio Emission: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/now_broadcasting_radio_jupiter-93369
Saturn Superstorm: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/19may_saturnstorm/
Uranus Auroras: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120413-uranus-auroras-science-space-hubble/
Uranus Storms: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.01309v1.pdf


Can anyone explain ALL this in their own words in a better way? :jaw-dropp
 
What, you want us to give you one answer for a multitude of disparate phenomena? One the one hand we have the laws of physics as we know them and on the other hand we have unsupported statements that violate every known law of physics.

How do I choose? I know! I'll watch youtube!
 
Haig said:
Just think about this for a moment :eye-poppi

It's NOT just the Sun and the Earth that are changing …

The Entire Solar System is Shifting

Venus Winds: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/S...ss/The_fast_winds_of_Venus_are_getting_faster
Venus Rotation: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Venus_Express/Could_Venus_be_shifting_gear
Mars Warming: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Jupiter Stripe: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/20may_loststripe/
Red Jr: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/02mar_redjr/
Jupiter Radio Emission: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/now_broadcasting_radio_jupiter-93369
Saturn Superstorm: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/19may_saturnstorm/
Uranus Auroras: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/04/120413-uranus-auroras-science-space-hubble/
Uranus Storms: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1501.01309v1.pdf


Can anyone explain ALL this in their own words in a better way? :jaw-dropp
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I did not ask you to answer "ALL this". I asked you a specific question about how the sun can cause earthquakes. I fail to see how your answer, "It's NOT just the Sun and the Earth that are changing …", is relevant in any way. Of course the solar system is changing, it is always changing, but what does that has to do with the sun-earthquake connection?
 
Haig said:
...The Entire Solar System is Shifting ...
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Just think about the gibberish that is in that post, Haig :jaw-dropp!
Do you really think that anyone is ignorant enough not to know that The Entire Solar System is Shifting, e.g.
* planets orbit the Sun!
* planets have weather!
* planets have aurora!
* gas giants such as Jupiter emit radio waves!
Can you explain what the assumption that other people are ignorant has to so with the delusion that Sun causes earthquakes on Earth?
 
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Haig said:
Yes, the big picture should be considered :eek:
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That ignorant and deluded crank videos exist could be considered and discarded as irrelevant to this thread by rational people, Haig :eye-poppi.

This is the Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology section of the forum. Spamming a thread here with crank videos does not make those crank videos science, mathematics or technology. All it does is point out yet again how easily someone can be fooled by crank videos: 13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!

The science is easy to understand: The Earth's magnetic field has been measured as weakening. One possible reason for this is that it is getting ready to flip in a few hundred or thousand years from now. This will have minor effects on the Earth. The biggest effect will be on power grids and communication systems but who knows how robust they will be after 300 or 1000 years of technological advance.

4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
 
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hgus said:
I did not ask you to answer "ALL this". I asked you a specific question about how the sun can cause earthquakes. I fail to see how your answer, "It's NOT just the Sun and the Earth that are changing …", is relevant in any way. Of course the solar system is changing, it is always changing, but what does that has to do with the sun-earthquake connection?
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My post has a lot to do with how the Sun (our variable star) can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms ... etc here on Earth.

Quiet Sun Means Cooling of Earth's Upper Atmosphere
NASA said:
"The Sun is in a very unusual period," said Marty Mlynczak, SABER associate principal investigator and senior research scientist at NASA Langley. "The Earth's thermosphere is responding remarkably - up to an order of magnitude decrease in infrared emission/radiative cooling by some molecules."
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Given that the Sun is in an unusual period, according to NASA, the relevance of my post on the changes (some sudden others gradual) to our planets seismic, volcanic, meteorological and climate state should become obvious :)

As the Sun continues in its slide into a Grand Solar Minimum we can expect the Earth and ALL the other planets and bodies to change along with it, as they are ;)

See the point now !


The latest earthquake and volcanic activity triggered by Solar activity. It appears to be coronal holes (this time) causing a sudden ramp in the solar wind.

Big Japan Quake, Magnetic Storm | S0 News May 13, 2015

Etna eruzione 12 maggio 2015. Mount Etna Volcano Eruption


So to re-state the obvious it's NOT just Earth experiencing changes it's ALL the solar system and it appears to be the Sun causing it.

Care to deal with that ?:cool:

 
So what is the mechanism for the Sun causing earthquakes and volcanoes?
There isn't one. Here, on Mars, Io, or anywhere else. As I said previously, this thread is pointless and may as well be closed, unless you can answer that point, otherwise we just get a never ending Gish Gallop of increasingly irrelevant non-scientific youtube nonsense.
Earthquakes are caused, usually, by one tectonic plate (veeeery heavy) moving under, over or alongside another tectonic plate (also veeeery heavy). Requires a lot of energy to move it. Tides perhaps? Maybe occurring when the Earth is at perihelion in its elliptical orbit? Perhaps there is a correlation with perihelion and syzygy?
So, spring tides at perihelion, maybe, when the increased pull from Sun and Moon deform the crust, and cause "stuck" plates to suddenly become unstuck? This is a crackpot idea (not a "theory", note) that I've just thought up (although it's probably been used before), but it invokes gravity and crustal deformation. The clever boys and girls here can then use calculations based on G to show that I'm talking rubbish. It also trumps your idea in that it doesn't invoke unseen and therefore immeasurable forces.
Don't think I'll bother starting a new thread for it, though.
Again, what is the mechanism? Without it, you don't even have an "idea", or, indeed, a clue.
 
The Don said:
What is that graph and what does it have to do about the sun causing earthquakes ?
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It appears to be a graph of grain prices versus solar cycle. It's a known effect, solar activity effects weather, weather effects crops et cetera.

However it's utterly unrelated to earthquakes and Haig's nonsensical idea.
 
CapelDodger said:
Piers Corbyn, yet; there's a name I haven't heard for a while. It seems he still has one true believer left in Haig. That's Piers Corbyn the lunar tick, who announced that the world had already entered a long-term cooling-phase in 2007. Haig was all over that at the time.

"... significant weather extremes and earthquakes in the period around 23rd-27th March".

Stand by for some interesting definitions of "significant" come the end of March. Or complete silence on the subject.
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This thread has some gems of Piers in it

http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19285&hilit=piers+corbyn

It is worth it just for the photo sarcastically posted in the OP...
 
The Don said:
What is that graph and what does it have to do about the sun causing earthquakes ?
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It shows the matching solar cycles of the quiet sun in Maunder Minimum times with the solar cycles of the quiet sun in our times.

In times of a quiet sun coronal holes are known to leave the polar regions of the Sun and migrate to the mid latitudes, as they are doing now!

Why is that linked to earthquakes ? Well because the Sun is a sphere magnet, and the Earth is a sphere magnet orbiting it with a now recognized electromagnetic connection to. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility to consider that essentially a coronal hole is like pointing an extra strong magnet out of one part of that central star at our planet for a little bit and then taking it away … the suggestion being it can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms ;)

jonesdave116 said:
So what is the mechanism for the Sun causing earthquakes and volcanoes?
There isn't one. Here, on Mars, Io, or anywhere else. As I said previously, this thread is pointless and may as well be closed, unless you can answer that point, otherwise we just get a never ending Gish Gallop of increasingly irrelevant non-scientific youtube nonsense.
Earthquakes are caused, usually, by one tectonic plate (veeeery heavy) moving under, over or alongside another tectonic plate (also veeeery heavy). Requires a lot of energy to move it. Tides perhaps? Maybe occurring when the Earth is at perihelion in its elliptical orbit? Perhaps there is a correlation with perihelion and syzygy?
So, spring tides at perihelion, maybe, when the increased pull from Sun and Moon deform the crust, and cause "stuck" plates to suddenly become unstuck? This is a crackpot idea (not a "theory", note) that I've just thought up (although it's probably been used before), but it invokes gravity and crustal deformation. The clever boys and girls here can then use calculations based on G to show that I'm talking rubbish. It also trumps your idea in that it doesn't invoke unseen and therefore immeasurable forces.
Don't think I'll bother starting a new thread for it, though.
Again, what is the mechanism? Without it, you don't even have an "idea", or, indeed, a clue.
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Gezz, what do you think is providing the energy for the changes to ALL the planets ? HERE

it isn't a trace gas on Earth :D It's our Sun ;)

As NASA say
There is, however, a dawning realization among researchers that even these apparently tiny variations can have a significant effect on terrestrial climate. A new report issued by the National Research Council (NRC), "The Effects of Solar Variability on Earth's Climate," lays out some of the surprisingly complex ways that solar activity can make itself felt on our planet.
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in Solar Variability and Terrestrial Climate

So what could the mechanism be ? :D

Coronal Holes

CORONAL HOLES
During solar minimum, the largest and most stable coronal holes occur at or near the solar poles. Coronal holes can also appear at lower latitudes, like the one in the image above. These equatorial coronal holes are the source of geomagnetic storms at Earth. Coronal holes can have lifetimes of months, so they produce recurrent geomagnetic activity as they rotate with the sun's 27-day rotation period.
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What is a Coronal Hole? my bold
At times of high solar activity, geomagnetic storms are generally the result of Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) intersecting the Earth's orbit, but at times of low solar activity, coronal holes are the most common source of geomagnetic storms. Because coronal holes can last for several months, it is often possible to predict the occurrence of this type of geomagnetic disturbance, as the high speed stream sweeps past the Earth with each solar rotation (like a rotating garden sprinkler).
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For proof of power, you need only see how a coronal hole stream can do a 'CME impression' and cause Geomagnetic Storms. They also fire Alfvén Waves from their centres and according to NASA: do a better job transferring energy to the planets.

New Insights On How Solar Minimums Affect Earth
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The magnetic fields from the center of coronal holes in the sun's atmosphere have large fluctuations known as Alfvén waves, while those from the sides have smaller fluctuations. The side fields do not transfer energy as well from the sun to Earth's magnetosphere
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It's becoming more obvious the weaker our Sun becomes our variable star can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms as well as climate change :eek:
 
It's becoming more obvious the weaker our Sun becomes our variable star can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms as well as climate change
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I'm not entirely sure that "obvious" is the best word to use in this phrase.


Back to reality, Global climate can seem to influence vulcanism due to pressure from the ice sheet being relaxed

ETA: Link:

http://www.des.ucdavis.edu/faculty/ORLOVE/GlacierObits/volcanic.html
 
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