Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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OT I know, but ...

We all know how much "the eu" reveres Hannes Alfven; however, what would his attitude towards them have been?

He's no longer with us, but from what he wrote and published, and comments by those who knew him well, it seems he had, um, strong opinions, and did not suffer fools gladly (please amend this sketch if it is, in fact, wrong). Also, for all that "the eu" loves (highly selectively!) quoting him, he was quite comfortable with "the math", and would seem to have been quite disdainful of those who couldn't hack it with "the math" of plasma physics.

So, in an alternate universe where his 'in sound mind' time on Earth significantly overlapped with "the eu", what might he have said about them?

(ben m: if you are reading this, and are comfortable enough with what you think you know of Alfven, I'd love to read your "channelling" of him! :D)
 
 
Sol88: Yet another nail in the coffin containing the dead, stinking EC corpse

Sol88 said:
I mean really?
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Oh really, Sol88, a post full of argument from ignorance and incredibility rather then trying to understand what you read :eye-poppi!
Comet sinkholes generate jets

Scientists analysing the images think that the pits are formed when the ceiling of a subsurface cavity becomes too thin to support its own weight and collapses as a sinkhole. This exposes the fractured interior of the comet, allowing otherwise hidden material to sublimate, thus continuing to erode the pit over time.
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So nothing to do with your gibberish, Sol88 :eek:!

The pits are a few tens to a few hundreds of metres in diameter and extend up to 210 m below the surface to a smooth dust-covered floor. Material is seen to be streaming from the most active pits.
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To anyone who can read and understand basic English and knows simple science about comets, this makes complete sense, Sol88. The first sentence is a statement about the size of the pits. The second sentence is the basic science that for material made of ices and dust, the ices sublimate in the known conditions of comet nuclei. The gasses then blow dust from pits which is the material seen streaming from the pits Duh!

“We see jets arising from the fractured areas of the walls inside the pits. These fractures mean that volatiles trapped under the surface can be warmed more easily and subsequently escape into space,” says Jean-Baptiste Vincent
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Only deluded people would say that quote means that we can see the ICE IN THE PITS YET, Sol88. We see the jets of sublimated ices and dust from the pits :eye-poppi!
There may be the possibility that future images will get a good enough view of "the fractured areas of the walls" to determine their composition.

These deluded people (The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos etc. ) have so fooled you into believing the scientific insanity that comets are rocks (not ices and dust) that you are in denial of all of the observations of ices and dust on comets for the last 6 years. That includes the latest observation of Exposed water ice detected on comet’s surface, Sol88!

Sol88: Do you know basic facts about electrical discharges or are you in denial of them as well!
Electrical discharges occur at the highest points between the anode and cathode. Pits are the lowest points on a comet surface. These images are yet another nail in the coffin containing the dead (even stinking given that it has been dead for over 10 years now!) corpse of the electric comet delusion.
 
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Reality Check said:
Only deluded people would say that quote means that we can see the ICE IN THE PITS YET, Sol88.
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I'm not so sure, RC; here's the type of argument Sol would understand:

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Sol88 said:
LOOKS LIKE????? :confused:

Really? :rolleyes:

"Looks like" bunnies to me! ;)
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And ancient petroglyphs look like Z pinches. And craters look like EDM.

It's too late for you to start being skeptical about what thinks look like.
 
jonesdave116 said:
Is this an appropriate time to revisit Talbott's "predictions", from here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10359420&postcount=2441

Would it be fair to summise that, apart from the points that are irrelevant to ech and/or were already known from previous analysis, that he is so far batting zero?
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Totally batting zero. For example
  • No "electric discharges" at all detected.
  • No "unexplained rocky debris".
  • No "electrical erosion".
  • etc.
 
Sol88 said:
LOOKS LIKE????? :confused:
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LOOKS LIKE CONFIMATION, Sol88, that mindless belief ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos etc. has turned your brain off !!!!!! :jaw-dropp.

The bright areas in that image LOOK LIKE some of the surface water ice that has already been detected. Exposed water ice detected on comet’s surface

6 July 2015 Sol88: Images of jets from inside pits are yet another nail in the coffin containing the dead, stinking for the last 10 years EC corpse!

So you reveal your ignorance about astronomy yet again instead of answering a basic physics question: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor. Please report the results in your next post.
 
Looks like a martian skylight to me!

martian-skylights-in-the-laboratory/

LOOKS like the jets issue from the rim of the crater.

LOOKS like there is no rubble on the bottom of the "pit" from the collapsed roof

LOOKS like there is no mechanism available to the mainstream to explain the jets velocity from these "pits"

Still LOOKS like rock

So lots of looks like to me :)
 
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Sol88 said:
Looks like a martian skylight to me!
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Looks like a dumb citation to a crank web site rn buy people who even lie to their readers, Sol88.
Looks like a couple of lies about the science, Sol88.
  1. There are no craters - they are pits.
  2. The jets are emitted from inside the pits - fractured regions on the pit walls are specifically mentioned.
    6 July 2015 Sol88: Images of jets from inside pits are yet another nail in the coffin containing the dead, stinking for the last 10 years EC corpse!
  3. Looks like you are lying about "no mechanism available to the mainstream to explain the jets velocity from these "pits"" because there is and you know it - sublimation :eek:
There is no rubble of ices from the collapsed roof of that pit as expected for material that sublimates! If you tried to actually read and understand Comet sinkholes generate jets then you will see that the presence of boulders or not is a indicator (to rational people!) of the history of the pit
Pits Ma’at 1, 2 and 3 on Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko show differences in appearance that may reflect their history of activity. While pits 1 and 2 are active, no activity has been observed from pit 3. The young, active pits are particularly steep-sided, whereas pits without any observed activity are shallower and seem to be filled with dust. Middle-aged pits tend to exhibit boulders on their floors from mass-wasting of the sides. The image was taken with the OSIRIS narrow-angle camera from a distance of 28 km from the comet surface.
Credits: ESA/Rosetta/MPS for OSIRIS Team MPS/UPD/LAM/IAA/SSO/INTA/UPM/DASP/IDA
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Looks like a 6 year old, mindless obsession with the EC delusion continues: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos etc.

Looks like you continue to be afraid to test the EC delusion (13 days and counting): 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

ETA: The paper is Large heterogeneities in comet 67P as revealed by active pits from sinkhole collapse
Pits have been observed on many cometary nuclei mapped by spacecraft1, 2, 3, 4. It has been argued that cometary pits are a signature of endogenic activity, rather than impact craters such as those on planetary and asteroid surfaces. Impact experiments5, 6 and models7, 8 cannot reproduce the shapes of most of the observed cometary pits, and the predicted collision rates imply that few of the pits are related to impacts8, 9. Alternative mechanisms like explosive activity10 have been suggested, but the driving process remains unknown. Here we report that pits on comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko are active, and probably created by a sinkhole process, possibly accompanied by outbursts. We argue that after formation, pits expand slowly in diameter, owing to sublimation-driven retreat of the walls. Therefore, pits characterize how eroded the surface is: a fresh cometary surface will have a ragged structure with many pits, while an evolved surface will look smoother. The size and spatial distribution of pits imply that large heterogeneities exist in the physical, structural or compositional properties of the first few hundred metres below the current nucleus surface.
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Sol88 said:
Looks like a martian skylight to me!
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Is this from the same science genius who took a picture of two blobs of weld spatter that happened to stick together and claimed it was evidence that 67P was formed by by an electrical discharge because it too is bilobular?

LOOKS like...

LOOKS like...

LOOKS like...

Still LOOKS like...

So lots of looks like...
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(my snippage)

Glad to see you've returned to yuur old LLAB form, Sol. Your recent sudden detour into the land of memes had some of us concerned :)
 
Sol88 said:
Looks like a martian skylight to me!

martian-skylights-in-the-laboratory/

LOOKS like the jets issue from the rim of the crater.

LOOKS like there is no rubble on the bottom of the "pit" from the collapsed roof

LOOKS like there is no mechanism available to the mainstream to explain the jets velocity from these "pits"

Still LOOKS like rock


So lots of looks like to me :)
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Except you have no reason to believe it's rock. Density is wrong, outgassing products are wrong (where's the Si?), no electrical woo has been observed or detected, and a meteorite impact into rock would have left a much differently shaped crater than this.
All of the papers from this and many other comets that I've read show no unexpected anomalies in jet emission speeds, so not sure where you made that up from.
Maybe you need that lame a*se David Talbott back here to help you? Although, having read through his entire contribution yesterday, maybe not. Didn't really contribute much, did he? See my link to his predictions, above. Care to summarise how the "scientific" predictions of this non-science qualified fantasist are actually going at this stage? I'll give you a clue; more than -1 but less than +1. He should stick to petroglyphs. Von Daniken made a fortune out of that woo. Complete bobbins, of course, but at least he was good at it. Sold millions. Never mind SAFIRE, with that sort of money you could build a whole new Sun!
 
Sol88 said:
Looks like a martian skylight to me!

martian-skylights-in-the-laboratory/

LOOKS like the jets issue from the rim of the crater.

LOOKS like there is no rubble on the bottom of the "pit" from the collapsed roof

LOOKS like there is no mechanism available to the mainstream to explain the jets velocity from these "pits"

Still LOOKS like rock

So lots of looks like to me :)
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Hi,
How exactly do you scale from 3m to 150m, and what evidence is there for it being electrical ?
:)
 
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