Shalamar
Dark Lord of the JREF
.. is... is he just talking with himself?
This is so ridiculous, I can't even mock it anymore.
This is so ridiculous, I can't even mock it anymore.
The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis
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Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
jeffreyw: A delusion about " the failed plate tectonics theory"
Plate tectonics is a working scientific theory with evidence for it. We measure the plates moving! We see island chains such as the Galapagos and Hawaiian islands formed by a plate moving over a mantle plume. We detect that earthquakes concentrate around the edges of plates where the stress is maximized. We measure magnetic striping out from the mid-ocean ridges that shows the sea bed expanding. A child can look at a map of the globe and see that the continents fit roughly together at the edges of the continental shelves. An older child learns about the geology and fossils that link opposite sides of oceans.
5 April 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion about "the failed plate tectonics theory" as reading Wikipedia would show you.
Plate tectonics is a working scientific theory with evidence for it. We measure the plates moving! We see island chains such as the Galapagos and Hawaiian islands formed by a plate moving over a mantle plume. We detect that earthquakes concentrate around the edges of plates where the stress is maximized. We measure magnetic striping out from the mid-ocean ridges that shows the sea bed expanding. A child can look at a map of the globe and see that the continents fit roughly together at the edges of the continental shelves. An older child learns about the geology and fossils that link opposite sides of oceans.
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Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
A bit more on J. Marvin Herndon's crank web site. He has a set of fantasies.
- That the Sun had a stage as a T Tauri star (possible but not absolutely needed).
- That all T Tauri star have massive stellar winds or jets. Many have strong stellar winds. Some have high-velocity jets.
- That a Jupiter-like planet forms with an Earth's worth of rock in it. But the evidence suggests that Jupiter has a core with "12 to 45 times the Earth's mass" with an unknown composition.
- Those winds/jets are magically strong enough to strip most or all of the atmosphere of a Jupiter-like planet away.
- This "Earth" decompresses with the loss of the atmosphere and cracks form to produce the current sea beds sometime after 4.6 billion years ago
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Shalamar
Dark Lord of the JREF
Snipped the rest of the rant, and uselessness.
As for the quoted bit, I could be wrong, but isn't one of the problems with astronauts and the ISS one of heating? As in, the astronauts need to be cooled lest they overheat because there's no transfer medium for heat in a vacuum?
I don't expect, nor want an answer from jefferyw, just others who have actual knowledge.
Doubt
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Not a thermo expert here. But heat does radiate out into space. The rate of radiated heat depends on the differential between the hot spot and the background that absorbs the heat.
High temperatures can be dissipated quickly. But the closer you get to the background the lower you radiate heat. The vacuum conditions in space remove the other means of removing heat, which would be convection and conduction. Radiation as a means of heat transfer works pretty well if you are hot enough to glow. Not so great in the temperature range we live at. But it still happens slowly.
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Correct. It is called a Liquid Cooling Garment. The human body produces heat faster than it can be radiated from a spacesuit. Excess heat is lost by means of a porous plate sublimator which sublimates water to space in order to eject the heat.
Regarding radiation into space: an astronaut can *sort of* cool passively. Your body has about 1-2m^2 of surface area, and your skin temperature is somewhere around 300K, so in principle FIR-black surface can be comfortable while radiating ~500W into dark space, which is enough to keep cool under anything but heavy exertion.
The problem is, you don't want the spacesuit to be in thermal contact with (and at the temperature of) the skin. Sometimes you're NOT exercising, and ambient radiative cooling would freeze you. Sometimes you're in the Shuttle cargo bay, or facing the Earth, or lit by sunlight, so there's incoming power as well, maybe from one side only. You don't want to reach a comfortable equilibrium temperature by having your left leg in an oven and your right leg in a freezer.
So: spacesuits are insulating, so your body is in a controlled and uniform temperature environment inside it. You still need heat rejection to happen, but you have a smaller area in which to accomplish this, and moreover you need it to be controllable. Sublimators are more easily controllable than radiators.
The problem is, you don't want the spacesuit to be in thermal contact with (and at the temperature of) the skin. Sometimes you're NOT exercising, and ambient radiative cooling would freeze you. Sometimes you're in the Shuttle cargo bay, or facing the Earth, or lit by sunlight, so there's incoming power as well, maybe from one side only. You don't want to reach a comfortable equilibrium temperature by having your left leg in an oven and your right leg in a freezer.
So: spacesuits are insulating, so your body is in a controlled and uniform temperature environment inside it. You still need heat rejection to happen, but you have a smaller area in which to accomplish this, and moreover you need it to be controllable. Sublimators are more easily controllable than radiators.
Rincewind
Philosopher
Did JeffreyW ever post his credentials?
turingtest
Mistral, mistral wind...
I don't remember if he has here, other than to say he's an ex-Marine; but here is is his RationalWiki profile:
This is his "Biographical Info," from the above cited Natural Philosophy Alliance- just a taste:
From the RationalWiki page on his theory:
And Jeffrey has his own blog, where he says he's "a scientific theory designer"- whatever that is (which is apparently no more than what he can make of it).
jeffreyw
Critical Thinker
Honored
I am honored to be one of the few men/women who get to make great insight. Every day that passes I learn more and more what it means to have real importance to human understanding.
It is a very strange feeling, and I'm also coming to terms with the fact that it will not be accepted or acknowledged in my lifetime. Though it is a quite painful realization.
Wisdom is forced upon people sometimes, and the trick to letting real wisdom in is practicing humility.
To the younger men/women who are reading this, do not let the ridiculers and haters get to you. They will put you down and tell you you're no good that you are insane or a crank/crackpot or pseudoscience promoter... Don't listen to them. Keep doing your work. Focus yourself. Believe in yourself. Lastly, keep humble. Do not let the insight go to your head, because it will ruin everything.
I am honored to be one of the few men/women who get to make great insight. Every day that passes I learn more and more what it means to have real importance to human understanding.
It is a very strange feeling, and I'm also coming to terms with the fact that it will not be accepted or acknowledged in my lifetime. Though it is a quite painful realization.
Wisdom is forced upon people sometimes, and the trick to letting real wisdom in is practicing humility.
To the younger men/women who are reading this, do not let the ridiculers and haters get to you. They will put you down and tell you you're no good that you are insane or a crank/crackpot or pseudoscience promoter... Don't listen to them. Keep doing your work. Focus yourself. Believe in yourself. Lastly, keep humble. Do not let the insight go to your head, because it will ruin everything.
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Good advice, old boy. Rather ironical in a post that starts: "I am honored to be one of the few men/women who get to make great insight", wouldn't you say?
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Dancing David
Penultimate Amazing
Dear Jeffery W,
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
Maybe teh fact that your theory doesn't match the data will dissuade you from your further self adulation
What makes you think your ideas will be "accepted or acknowledged" at all, ever?
(my bold)
Do you think that those who have responded to your posts, in this thread, include some "ridiculers and haters"?
To what extent do you think the responses to your posts, in this thread, focus on the content of what you have posted, not the person who posted them?
Do you think you have adequately addressed the many responses to your posts, on your ideas, here in this thread? Responses which show some of those ideas to be internally inconsistent? at odds with well-established experimental and observational results? (and so on)
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
jeffreyw: A delusion about "great insight" based on ignorance of science and fantasie
7 April 2016 jeffreyw: This is a delusion about "great insight" since you have a recorded history of repeated ignorance of science and fantasies, e.g. the Earth being 133,000 times heavier than it is (a solar mass!).
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jeffreyw
Critical Thinker
So you want me removed from this forum for not replying to people's comments? hahhaha What if the comments do not add to the richness of the discussion? That's why I ignore them. Besides, I've been keeping on track with the theory development and have only been posting in the thread I started. How is this spam exactly? How does one spam their own thread? hahaha
Anyways, here is a new video Baz made me concerning the thermal contraction/expansion of stars as they cool as well as the WEDD model of J. Marvin Herndon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUpB6H6zVw
His geothermal reactor stuff does not fit with stellar metamorphosis though. The star is just cooling, it cools over very long periods of time. Deep time. As well, the work I'm doing on this has given Mr. Herndon some more views... which I find to be wonderful for his exposure.
Hopefully this shows the way I'm seeing it:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/#project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-90&pages=J._Marvin_Herndon
Besides, I just read a book that overviews Hubble's view on the nebular hypothesis which clarifies Write's work "An Original Theory" and it was originally attributed to galaxies outside the solar system. Put more frankly, they took galaxies and made them as solar systems in formation... somehow I think it's Shapley that had something to do with that red herring:
http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1303651
Erase marks that you find unfitting. Gosh.
Anyways, here is a new video Baz made me concerning the thermal contraction/expansion of stars as they cool as well as the WEDD model of J. Marvin Herndon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUpB6H6zVw
His geothermal reactor stuff does not fit with stellar metamorphosis though. The star is just cooling, it cools over very long periods of time. Deep time. As well, the work I'm doing on this has given Mr. Herndon some more views... which I find to be wonderful for his exposure.
Hopefully this shows the way I'm seeing it:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/#project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-90&pages=J._Marvin_Herndon
Besides, I just read a book that overviews Hubble's view on the nebular hypothesis which clarifies Write's work "An Original Theory" and it was originally attributed to galaxies outside the solar system. Put more frankly, they took galaxies and made them as solar systems in formation... somehow I think it's Shapley that had something to do with that red herring:
http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1303651
Erase marks that you find unfitting. Gosh.
Reality Check
Penultimate Amazing
jeffreyw: A new delusion that galaxies are nebula inside the Milky Way
Posters in this thread have recognized that you are spamming the thread with delusions about planets being stars and ignoring the real world that has been pointed out in people's comments. Posting yet more crank videos in the expectation that people here are dumb enough to look at them just emphasizes the delusion.
11 April 2016 jeffreyw: A lie about "Put more frankly, they took galaxies and made them as solar systems in formation". A new delusion that galaxies are nebula inside the Milky Way?
Astronomers in the 1920's took nebulae and made them into external galaxies by measuring the distance to them!
The truth is that there was a Great Debate about whether nebulae were inside the Milky Way or outside. The Picture yourself during the early 1920's Halton Arp quote is a fairy story to illustrate an unknown point.
A list of 21 ignorant and deluded items from jeffreyw continues:
That is a fantasy, jeffreyw.
Posters in this thread have recognized that you are spamming the thread with delusions about planets being stars and ignoring the real world that has been pointed out in people's comments. Posting yet more crank videos in the expectation that people here are dumb enough to look at them just emphasizes the delusion.
11 April 2016 jeffreyw: A lie about "Put more frankly, they took galaxies and made them as solar systems in formation". A new delusion that galaxies are nebula inside the Milky Way?
Astronomers in the 1920's took nebulae and made them into external galaxies by measuring the distance to them
!The truth is that there was a Great Debate about whether nebulae were inside the Milky Way or outside. The Picture yourself during the early 1920's Halton Arp quote is a fairy story to illustrate an unknown point.
A list of 21 ignorant and deluded items from jeffreyw continues:
- 22 March 2016 jeffreyw: The delusion that stars have cooler "interior regions" (stellar fusion means hotter cores).
- 30 March 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion that iron/nickel alloys in asteroids cannot form!
- 30 March 2016 jeffreyw: The ignorance of citing the invalid theory of Halton Arp of quasars being ejected from galaxies.
- 30 March 2016 jeffreyw: Probable lie about Victor Ambartsumian maybe based on stories from Arp.
- 5 April 2016 jeffreyw: It is a delusion that "all the objects in our solar system are not related".
- 5 April 2016 jeffreyw: A lie about the Nice model - it produces most of the features of the Solar System.
- 5 April 2016 jeffreyw: A lie about a Principle of Stellar Adoption paper. his is a PDF on a PDF upload site containing one incoherent fact-less paragraph with a fantasy of "chaotic stars wandering the galaxy"!
- 5 April 2016 jeffreyw: Cites another crank (J. Marvin Herndon) that jeffreyw thinks has unsound ideas!
- 5 April 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion about "the failed plate tectonics theory" as reading Wikipedia would show you.
- 7 April 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion about "great insight" since you have a recorded history of repeated ignorance of science and fantasies, e.g. the Earth being 133,000 times heavier than it is (a solar mass!).
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What richness of the discussion are you talking about? You spamming your pet ideas and ignoring critique is not a rich discussion.
What if it's only you who thinks the comments have content that is irrelevant?
If you do not respond to any comments, how can there be a discussion (let alone a rich one)?
Except that, in case you hadn't noticed, it's not "your thread", it's the ISF's.
And I reckon your posting behavior is no different than that of a spamster, promoting porn (say).
If this thread were on your own website, then you could not spam it; otherwise, it's spam (in my opinion).
Gord_in_Toronto
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This is Spam: 
Several of jeffreyw's posts have been sent to AAH as a breach of rule 6. I recognise that this means that some posts in the thread now appear to be replying to non-existent posts.
Please note that this is a discussion forum, and as such it is expected that members discuss their theories and defend them against criticism.
Going forward, this thread will be closed if it continues to be a blog for one poster rather than a proper discussion.
Please note that this is a discussion forum, and as such it is expected that members discuss their theories and defend them against criticism.
Going forward, this thread will be closed if it continues to be a blog for one poster rather than a proper discussion.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: Agatha