[Moderated] So What Would You Think If This Were True?

It's for 2 reasons.....

1. Anticipation to release the info.

2. For protection because the info is sensitive.

We had to make multiple copies and give them to people we know and trust and to let everyone know we have something big.

Better safe than sorry.

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As with everything else these guys have said so far, this makes no real-world sense at all, and sounds like action-movie logic.

Hmmm... I've got very sensitive information which will prove that some of the most powerful people in the world murdered thousands of their own citizens so they could invade a nation and kill thousands more.

Let's see, what to do.... I know! I won't reveal what it is, but I'll advertise on the Internet that I have it, without any attempt to keep my identity, or the identities of my cohorts, secret!

That way, they can come and kill us all and make it look like accidents and search our homes and get the evidence back before it can be released! Oh... wait a minute....

These guys really need to read "The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became an Evil Overlord".

Piggy said:

As with everything else these guys have said so far, this makes no real-world sense at all, and sounds like action-movie logic.

Hmmm... I've got very sensitive information which will prove that some of the most powerful people in the world murdered thousands of their own citizens so they could invade a nation and kill thousands more.

Let's see, what to do.... I know! I won't reveal what it is, but I'll advertise on the Internet that I have it, without any attempt to keep my identity, or the identities of my cohorts, secret!

That way, they can come and kill us all and make it look like accidents and search our homes and get the evidence back before it can be released! Oh... wait a minute....

These guys really need to read "The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became an Evil Overlord".

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They think they've covered their bases by telling the Loose Change guys:

Thread title:
Flight Path Irrefutably Established, pre-announcement as protection

Lyte Trip @LC said:

I am making this announcement as protection for my safety.

Russell, Merc, and Dylan all know my real name.

I will announce my real name tomorrow or Thursday after I am sure I am safe.

I have explosive eyewitness testimony that irrefutably establishes the flight path and proves the mechanical damage flight path/official story incorrect.

I have interviewed 8 eyewitness at the location where they saw the plane.

They go further back than Barton St and all the way up to the Pentagon.

Details will be forthcoming as the information is compiled appropriately.

If something happens to me you know why.

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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=636&view=findpost&p=8736103

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We Are Being Harrassed, Because we have damaging info

That One Dood @LC said:

Lyte Trip and I are in possession of some very explosive detailed and documented information and evidence on the Pentagon.

Every time I speak with him on the phone on the subject, it sounds like someone is picking up another line in the house and pressing one button, then the redial button sequence.

This has happened multiple times.

Plus strange clicking, like someone picked up the other line, then hangs up.

The clicking sometimes happens any time I speak with anyone regarding the Pentagon info since this new evidence has arrived.

Please be aware that neither of us will commit suicide and will drive extra careful.

And all the information we have has already been presented, but now will be documented.

Please stay tuned and pray for us.

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Bolding mine.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=604&view=findpost&p=8661707

What a pair of drama queens.

It would be funny if it wasn't about people dying.

I've just noticed that all the time they were being coy and playing games with us Lyte Trip had already described what they've got, over at Loose Change:

I have explosive eyewitness testimony that irrefutably establishes the flight path and proves the mechanical damage flight path/official story incorrect.

I have interviewed 8 eyewitness at the location where they saw the plane.

They go further back than Barton St and all the way up to the Pentagon.

Details will be forthcoming as the information is compiled appropriately.

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http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=636&view=findpost&p=8736103

Now it occurs to me that the memory somebody has for where a plane was in the sky 5 years ago is a pretty fragile thing and can be easily influenced by an interviewer making suggestions or asking leading questions.

By comparison, I'd say that a plane hitting lightpoles, a lightpole hitting your cab and a plane hitting the Pentagon are all such unusual events that it would be difficult to have not seen them and then to imagine seeing them to fit in with questioning or to fit the official story. Also, of course, the testimony that says this was gathered much closer to the event. Lastly, and most importantly, it fits the physical evidence.

This leads me to conclude that Lyte Trip and That One Skeptic Merc Dude 4Sure are going to apply Smacco's Razor to devlop an astoundingly complex theory of faked lightpole damage, a faked flight recorder with the correct flightpath on it, fake plane wreckage, fake passenger DNA, a disappearing plane and passengers, something else (a missile?) hitting the pentagon and all the eyewitnesses that contadict theirs lying because they are agents or were threatened.

Which is why they'll hope to sell it on DVD and promote via youtube rather than take it anywhere where it might receive any scrutiny.

What makes the people they "trust" so trustworthy?

I mean, if the US government was able to pay off thousands of people for their silence, what makes Lyte Trip's friends any different?

Using the loose/truth line of reasoning, one could prove that John Karr did murder Jonbenet Ramsey.

You have the testimony of someone who was there -- the killer himself. Since no one else was present at the scene, all possible witnesses agree.

Therefore, his family is obviously lying when they said he was with them at Christmas, and the photos are either faked or from a different Christmas. They have motive to protect him -- they don't want to see him die in the electric chair. These days, anyone can get Photoshop.

The DNA evidence which allegedly exonerated him was faked. Maybe the police don't want to admit that they screwed up the investigation so bad by letting him slip away. Maybe they were paid off by his family -- after all, they're willing to fake the Christmas photos. And sure, they say that his confession didn't really match the details of the murder, but why should we believe them when they've bungled everything so badly and are obviously covering up?

Maybe he got scared and decided to change his story to avoid being put in jail. Maybe he knew the overseas authorities were about to bust him for child molestation and he decided he'd rather take his chances with a trial for his previous crime in the US. I mean, if he didn't kill Jonbenet, why would he have left the US and gone running from country to country in the first place? But then when he's safely back home, he sees an opportunity to beat the murder rap AND escape the overseas authorities.

Obviously, it takes a very intelligent man to do all that, and evade punishment for years on end. He's not dumb or crazy like he pretends to be.

Plus, look at all the early media reports, and his correspondence with that researcher. All the clues were there, and an expert in this field felt so strongly about it that he felt compelled to report this guy. And now you just want to brush that off because the incompetent cops and his family say it's not true? You're blind.

My DVD will be coming out soon. Very soon, I promise. Excerpts will be posted on YouTube, and you'll be able to purchase it on my Web site.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go scan my phone line for bugs, and alert everyone that I have this information so that the Boulder cops don't try to come and kill me.

Dylan Claims LC"FC is not even finished yet. Most festivals will not even accept for review films that are not complete. As a result, options are:

(1) It has not been submitted to Sundance yet.
(2) He submitted a previous version, in which case a tonne of copyright issues would likely cause a rejection of the film
(3) They are anticipating entering it into Sundance this year.

Also be aware that many festivals will not accept the film if it has already been released elsewhere, especially the internet. If that is the case for Sundance, than he will have to submit a new version of the film, not a previously released one.

TAM

According to Sundance rules, if the submitted under the independent documentary catagory, than there film cannot have played at any other festival or any public theatrical screening to be considered.

I believe their behind the scenes material that we have all seen, shows them having the film publically theatrically screened.

http://c4e.sundance.org/Portals/0/Layouts/Sundance_Submissions/2007SubmissionsFAQ.pdf

TAM

T.A.M. said:

Dylan Claims LC"FC is not even finished yet. Most festivals will not even accept for review films that are not complete. As a result, options are:

(1) It has not been submitted to Sundance yet.
(2) He submitted a previous version, in which case a tonne of copyright issues would likely cause a rejection of the film
(3) They are anticipating entering it into Sundance this year.

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You forgot (4) They are lying.

Qubit said:

I like how they always state that the turn made was with "military precision", yet, for some reason this "expert pilot" were unable to line up with the light poles.

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They're insulting to everyone else -- why leave out the military?

Hi Everybody

Just got back after a relaxing Thanksgiving with relatives...

Tried to catch up on this thread, got about to Page 20 and lost interest.

Did Skeptic4Sure or his sycophant Lyte Trip ever give us any of this "explosive" evidence they claim to have?

Or are they still trying to hype their upcoming DVD?

R.Mackey said:

Just got back after a relaxing Thanksgiving with relatives...

Tried to catch up on this thread, got about to Page 20 and lost interest.

Did Skeptic4Sure or his sycophant Lyte Trip ever give us any of this "explosive" evidence they claim to have?

Or are they still trying to hype their upcoming DVD?

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No. Although we managed to get them to confirm that it'll be released sometime between now and the New Year on DVD and YouTube:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2123779#post2123779

And I found a post on LC where Lyte Trip describes the evidence as being interviews with 8 people:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2126599#post2126599

maccy said:

No. Although we managed to get them to confirm that it'll be released sometime between now and the New Year on DVD and YouTube:

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I'm shocked, shocked! I can't tell you how surprised I am to hear this.

No, really, I can't, because I'm not surprised at all.

Looking back through this thread, I reread some of the quotes from the LCForum. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that their "bulletproof, indisputable evidence" that a plane did not hit the Pentagon is eyewitness testimony from people who saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

That can't be right.

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AH. I see. They never answered any of the questions about whether or not AA77 hit the Pentagon. They think if they can ignore this glaring flaw, that skeptics will also. Then they can proclaim how their 8 witnesses trump the 100 or so that were obviously wrong about where the plane was.

My expectations were set WAY too high.

ihaunter said:

Looking back through this thread, I reread some of the quotes from the LCForum. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that their "bulletproof, indisputable evidence" that a plane did not hit the Pentagon is eyewitness testimony from people who saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

That can't be right.

[looks through thread again]

AH. I see. They never answered any of the questions about whether or not AA77 hit the Pentagon. They think if they can ignore this glaring flaw, that skeptics will also. Then they can proclaim how their 8 witnesses trump the 100 or so that were obviously wrong about where the plane was.

My expectations were set WAY too high.

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I work for an organisation that works with mentally and physically disabled people, so my 'expectation of follow through' levels for these guys are well researched.

hellaeon said:

I work for an organisation that works with mentally and physically disabled people, so my 'expectation of follow through' levels for these guys are well researched.

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considering what "following through" means at street level here in britland i suspect that whatever they come up with will be up to my expectations at least.

BV

Which Citgo Station was there on 9/11?

Which Citgo station is which, was that one there on 9/11, or was it up the street? Is there a gas station there or is it down the road?







If it was from down the road, the flight path is north of this Citgo Station!

But then did the CT guys move the Citgo Station? CT guys never have their facts correct! Why would they be able to find a real fact?

Popeholden/paranoia_thread said:

if the government was tapping your phone, why would they repeatedly press the redial button and make it obvious? try calling your phone company before assuming the government did it.

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He´s absolutely right. Do these guys really
believe that the phone-tappers are playing
trumpet while they´re tapping phones?

Skeptic4Sure said:

How fast was this amateur flying? Was he flying 530 mph in that video?

And is the topography the same as the area surrounding the Pentagon?

And was this amateur incapable of flying a Cessna well enough that he would not be qualified to rent a Cessna?

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so you are a CT guy. As an instructor pilot, anyone can fly a 757/767 into the pentagon, no training required. The idiot suicide pilots were over qualified, they took lessons. And yes, all pilots can be turned down to rent even a Cessna if they screw up the check out to rent someone's planes.

Lesson, if you want no one to know you are not a great pilot, buy your own plane, do not rent other peoples junk.

Ask a pilot! I am one! Get this, anyone can fly a plane into a building first time without training.

So if this is your proof that something was wrong on 9/11 you are wrong! You must only ask CT pilots if you want to keep your point of view; otherwise you will be disappointed when you ask other pilots.

anyone can fly a plane into a building first time without training.

Yep. Generally, the training is to allow you to not fly through buildings.

Skeptic4Sure said:

So it looks like I got my answer.

The very fact that you people will not accept it, will deny it as even possible, and haven't bothered to accept the implications speaks volumes. The mere fact that some of you are clamouring for proof also says a lot. It says that you get it, and now you want to see proof.

So I will accept that this would be considered a smoking gun and proof of 9/11 being an inside job in the Skeptics eyes, provided the Citgo witness' account will be proven correct or corroborated.

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Do you have DNA proof your witness was at the Citgo Station?

Do you have proof there was no DNA of passengers of 77 at the Pentagon? Seems that someone has DNA proof of flight 77 at the Pentagon. Seems like there was an aircraft impact at the Pentagon and there is proof of it. Seems like someone has proof fuel exploded at the Pentagon from flight 77. Seems like someone has proof flight 77 hit the pentagon. Seems like your witness has the wrong final heading!

oops seems like your witness is remembering from his brain, and it has turned around his memory, you need to seek out a brain expert to give you possible reasons his memory is backwards!