What is wrong with what Steorn is doing?

I do wonder if they've got a new engineer working for them and he's built the "test" machine as per the designs and lo and behold it doesn't work... perhaps someone should have told him where the PSU is meant to be hidden connected... :)
 
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Foolmewunz said:
As one wag on their forum put it..... "It's effected by the heat of light bulbs???!!!!"
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I wonder if that was a deliberate use of effected rather than affected? With suitable photocells as part of the construction, the unit could be electrically isolated from the outside world but still pick up energy to keep it going.
 
Important update on the Kinetica demo:
We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience.
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Source

 
Does anyone still seriously believe this is anything other than a scam?

Or are the Steorn guys really that deluded?
 
I notice this camera is streaming the gallery. It shows various guys hovering around a perspex exhibit.

http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html

This is one of these times when I really want this stuff to be real. Yet, yearning for it to be true doesn't change the probability of it not working.

The sober assessment MUST be that the chances of this being a breakthrough in energy generation which rewrites the physics rulebooks is less probable than a deliberate fraud, prank or mistake.

It it's a fraud, then it's a high-budget one, though. I'm impressed by Steorn's brand marketing; their ads, website, video presentations. If the purpose is to fleece investors, then it's rare to see it done with this much style.

Can anyone think of a similar example?
 
pmckean said:
I notice this camera is streaming the gallery. It shows various guys hovering around a perspex exhibit.

http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html

This is one of these times when I really want this stuff to be real. Yet, yearning for it to be true doesn't change the probability of it not working.

The sober assessment MUST be that the chances of this being a breakthrough in energy generation which rewrites the physics rulebooks is less probable than a deliberate fraud, prank or mistake.

It it's a fraud, then it's a high-budget one, though. I'm impressed by Steorn's brand marketing; their ads, website, video presentations. If the purpose is to fleece investors, then it's rare to see it done with this much style.

Can anyone think of a similar example?
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Well, there may be other reasons, for example it could be a very long-winded and clever (?) marketing ploy to raise awareness of the energy crisis.

But I doubt it. And if it is, it's a failure because most people haven't heard of Steorn or Orbo. In fact my source who told me that it was going to be a no-show didn't know what the brand name was, they just referred to it as 'the perpetual motion machine'.
 
pmckean said:
It it's a fraud, then it's a high-budget one, though. I'm impressed by Steorn's brand marketing; their ads, website, video presentations. If the purpose is to fleece investors, then it's rare to see it done with this much style.

Can anyone think of a similar example?
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Bob Park would be the one to ask. He's probably watching this one very closely.

Question: Will it still be called "Performance Art" if they refuse to return the money they took from would-be investors? Art is one thing, fraud another.

ETA: Now I know where I've seen this before! Mel Brooks' The Producers! They don't have to return the money if it flops.
 
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Yeah, I have to agree... when I was putting up an exhibit to show our tech for CES, we had some glitches to the point we had to scour local chains (walmart, walgreens, radio shack, etc...) just to get components to make sure everything sticks together. We didn't rest or take breaks till our booth was the best we could manage.

If this is for real, they are handling it in the worst possible way. Even if it's just a hoax they're handling it quite badly.
 
tkingdoll said:
Well, there may be other reasons, for example it could be a very long-winded and clever (?) marketing ploy to raise awareness of the energy crisis.

But I doubt it. And if it is, it's a failure because most people haven't heard of Steorn or Orbo. In fact my source who told me that it was going to be a no-show didn't know what the brand name was, they just referred to it as 'the perpetual motion machine'.
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I'm betting it's a ploy by Steorn to demonstrate to the world what sort of viral marketing campaign they are capable of producing.
 
I've managed throughout my life to Forrest Gump myself into all sorts of historical moments, e.g. was not a player or mover or shaker - just happened to be there.

I cannot fathom how I didn't wind up on a business trip to London this week!

This would be so much fun to get close to.

Oh, to be in England, now that Steorn is here.
 
It's 11:00 a.m. in London, and I can't get anything but black screens from the Orbo/Steorn/Kinetica camera, but the forumites are all chattering about being able to see various things on the cameras.... (although not one of them has fallen off a chair screaming "OMG it works!".... apparently they're not even sure it's set up)

Can anyone else get the camera links to work? I may not have the right plug-ins....
 
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All cameras working here. Stream format is ASX, needs Windows Media Player (plugin), afaik.
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thanks.... I'll try again from home. I should have WMP.... everything I own is Windows as it's a company laptop....

Is anything happening on the cameras? Has the world changed?
 
I'm getting pictures from cameras 1, 3 and 4.

From camera 3, I can see people moving in the street, and I can see that nothing is moving in the perspex box.

From camera 1, I see a close-up view: it looks like a flat perspex model of a water wheel. It's certainly not moving.

From camera 4, I can see the room where the thing is exhibited. From time to time a person is briefly visible, but I haven't seen anyone approach the thing itself: a clear box with the words "nothing is impossible" and something else which I can't read engraved on it, containing the the water-wheel like thingy. There are movements to be seem from time to time on the surface of the perspex box, but these are just reflections of people in the street outside.
 
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Can anyone else get the camera links to work? I may not have the right plug-ins....
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They're working OK here. You're not missing anything.

There's a clear plastic display case containing what looks a bit like a rolling-ball overbalanced wheel (but without the balls) made out of the same material as the case. Nothing is moving apart from occasional people walking past outside the gallery.

Incidentally, camera 3, which shows a little of the area outside the gallery window, seems to show that the lighting on the display case area isn't particularly bright. The cameras seem to be working fine, so I don't see that excessive lighting, producing "intense heat", would be necessary.
 
Announcement:
Further to Steorn’s announcement yesterday (5th July) regarding the technical difficulties experienced during the installation of its “Orbo” technology at the Kinentica Museum in London, Steorn has decided to postpone the demonstration until further notice.

Sean McCarthy CEO stated that “technical problems arose during the installation of the demonstration unit in the display case on Wednesday evening. These problems were primarily due to excessive heat from the lighting in the main display area. Attempts to replace those parts affected by the heat led to further failures and as a result we have to postpone the public demonstration until a future date.”

He continued that “we apologise for the inconvenience caused to all the people who had made arrangements to visit the demonstration or were planning on viewing the demonstration online.”

Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration.
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"Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration."

IOW, it'll take maybe a month or two to decide on a date next year. Gotta keep the scam going as long as possible, so they can milk the investors for even more ("Hey, we're almost there! You can't quit now!").
 
Oh dear. The poor people at Steorn must be feeling very stressed. They need to relax. They should buy themselves a No Ho Hon:

"Product Description
NoHoHon works on the principal of perpetual motion. They relax your senses and invite you into a calming world. These restful characters are your constant friend"

And it's a snip at only $2,000.00
 
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