Can we control the temperature of Earth?

Bjarne said:

It can rearrange a magnetic field.
What happens when you combine heat, and magnetic collisions, only experiments will reveal.
But since you probably is satisfied to be a believer, you don’t need. – I do. - And I will do so soon i get time. - I like to smash "scientific" creeds. - This is what true science is about.

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Lol,SuperBjarne,able to smash scientific creeds and reveal the truth to us with a single blow.Only problem is Bjarne,you know bugger all about science.

Bjarne said:

It can rearrange a magnetic field.
What happens when you combine heat, and magnetic collisions, only experiments will reveal.

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Magnetic collisions? What exactly do you mean by that.

But since you probably is satisfied to be a believer, you don’t need.

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Son, I am a professional. I worked with magnets and electromagnetics before you were born.

– I do. - And I will do so soon i get time. - I like to smash "scientific" creeds.

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You haven't had much success so far, ehhh? What happened to the gravity experiment you were going to make? Never came to anything, right?

- This is what true science is about.

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Mate, you wouldn't recognize real science even if it was served to you in a high-ball glass.


Hans

Magnetic collisions? What exactly do you mean by that.

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How is it possible to ask so silly ?
I thought you wrote: You have worked with magnetism before I was born.



Look at the image.
Any cow would easy could see you have magnetic collision, so I hope you can too.

This is not a problem to a ferro-magnetic field, only a challenge to understand how the ferro-magnetic field behave due to that. (thermal heat + magnetic collisions)

The only problem here (and many places in the "book") is creeds, and only creeds.
This is many times much worse as fanatic religion

I mean: - many that believes in this and that religion etc.. - they know it is only believes and the most also know and admit that they could be wrong.

But scientific creeds are many times based on fanatic and infallible unshakable believes, many times only based on weak reasons, and even though it contradicts both several facts as well as common sense. - It really makes me sick.

Another hilarious thread from Bjarne.Why are these amateurs always convinced that they know more about a subject than people who have studied it for years? Odd,isn't it? What makes me sick Bjarne is how you managed to attend school,yet you seem to have understood nothing about the science you were taught.Magnetic collisions indeed!

Another hilarious thread from Bjarne.Why are these amateurs always convinced that they know more about a subject than people who have studied it for years?

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Because even though people have studied for 100 years and even though contradiction is mounting up, they never would even think about that the thesis could be wrong.

Maybe it is the scientific fatwa: to be a crackpot, - that frightening logic thinking people not to say what they really think, - or maybe human are in general more left/half brained than cows. I don’t know.

And I can guarantee you that even though I (or someone else) proves that thermal heats bends the magnetic lines out from the magnetic poles, and hence the last argument keeping the geo- dynamo alive, - is smashed, - this as well would not impress fantastic believers.

Bjarne said:

Because even though people have studied for 100 years and even though contradiction is mounting up, they never would even think about that the thesis could be wrong.....

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That is the dumbest thing that you have said.
It is because the thesis has been shown to be wrong repeatably for 180 years that science abandoned the hypothesis that the Earth's magenetic field is caused by magnetic material in the crust.

The fact is that you are displaying your ignorance of physics in exactly the same way you have displayed it in your other threads:
The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his three threads

The only problem with heat and magnetic fields colliding is in your head. Thermodynamics and electromagneticm are standard physics.

Bjarne said:

Because even though people have studied for 100 years and even though contradiction is mounting up, they never would even think about that the thesis could be wrong.

Maybe it is the scientific fatwa: to be a crackpot, - that frightening logic thinking people not to say what they really think, - or maybe human are in general more left/half brained than cows. I don’t know.

And I can guarantee you that even though I (or someone else) proves that thermal heats bends the magnetic lines out from the magnetic poles, and hence the last argument keeping the geo- dynamo alive, - is smashed, - this as well would not impress fantastic believers.

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If some one proved it beyond all doubt,we'd believe it. Show us the proof.
What is it with the cows? Some sort of fixation?

It is because the thesis has been shown to be wrong repeatably for 180 years that science abandoned the hypothesis that the Earth's magenetic field is caused by magnetic material in the crust.

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Nothing proves that the magnetic field not is caused by ferro magnetism + solar wind.
And nothing proves that it is caused by the so-called geo dynamo.

It has not been "shown" to be wrong, but believed to be wrong.
Time will soon show my friend, - and we will see who is the dumbest….

The fact is that you are displaying your ignorance of physics in exactly the same way you have displayed it in your other threads:

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Ooohh
Remember my friend, my middle name is measurement and my last middle name is head wind.

And remember to reply to the question:
How stupid and/or ignorant (on a scale from 1 to 10) will you will feel your self when measurements proves that ADG towards a bodies centre not is decreasing, but stable. ?

If some one proved it beyond all doubt,we'd believe it. Show us the proof.

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It's easy to do a simple experiment
I will do ...
But there is a problem, the Earth magnetic field will disturb the experiment when the power lines in the iron relocate. I will think about how to do it perfectly..

Bjarne said:

Nothing proves that the magnetic field not is caused by ferro magnetism + solar wind.
And nothing proves that it is caused by the so-called geo dynamo.
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Everything shows that the Earth's magnetic field not is caused by ferro magnetism + solar wind.
And evidence shows that it is caused by something 500 kilometer indide the Earth, e.g the dynamo.

First fatal flaw in Bjarne's idea (MF = ferro magnetism + solar wind)

The fact is that experiments have been done on magnets for centuries. What they show is that the shape of magnetic field around a magnet remains the same at all temperatures. You can use the shape of the magnetic field to determine where the magnet is if all you can do is measure the field. This was used by Johann Carl Friedrich Gauss in 1838 with measurements of the Earth's magnetic field to determine where the Earth's magnet is. The basics are really easy.

1. Measure the direction in which Earth's magnetic field points at various places around the world.
2. That gives you magnetic field lines that you can trace to position of the origin of the magnetic field.
3. Note that that position is ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.

Gauss, J. C. F., Allgemeine Theorie des Erdmagnetismus: Resultate aus den Beobachtungen des magnetischen Vereins in Jahre 1838. 1838, Leipzig. 73. ("General Theory of Terrestrial Magnetism: Results from the observations of the magnetic Association in 1838").

I will emphasis this: Science has known for 172 years that the poles of the magnet that generates the Earth's magnetic field are ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.

The dynamo theory was initially proposed by Joseph Larmor in 1919. That was 81 years after the site of the origin of the Earth's magnetic field was measured by Gauss.

Second fatal flaw in Bjarne's idea (MF = ferro magnetism + solar wind)

The solar wind does not have any relevance to the orgin of the Earth's magnetic field.
If the solar wind did not exist then the Earth's magnetic field will still exist. The solar wind has stopped (The Day the Solar Wind Disappeared) and no effects on the strength of the Earth's magnetic field were reported.

I may be wrong in which case Bjarne can cite the measurements that the strength of the Earth's magnetic field did something on that day.

What Bjarne is confused about is that the solar wind changes the shape of the Earth's magnetic field. So a change in the solar wind changes what can reach the Earth's surface, e.g. electrons (as in the aurora) and cosmic rays.

Bjarne said:

How is it possible to ask so silly ?
I thought you wrote: You have worked with magnetism before I was born.

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Look at the image.
Any cow would easy could see you have magnetic collision, so I hope you can too.

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We usually call that magnetic repulsion. It won't be influenced by heat, except if you heat the magnets themselves; then their strenght may change.

This is not a problem to a ferro-magnetic field, only a challenge to understand how the ferro-magnetic field behave due to that. (thermal heat + magnetic collisions)

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There is no difference between a ferro-magnetic field and any other constant magnetic field. It does not react to heat, but the magnets may.

What reaction you get from heating a magnet will depend on its material characteristics.

Magnetism is probably one of the best explored areas in science. For instance, the function of the computer you are reading this on is extremely dependent on our comprehensive understanding of magnetics.

Hans

Everything shows that the Earth's magnetic field not is caused by ferro magnetism + solar wind.
And evidence shows that it is caused by something 500 kilometer indide the Earth, e.g the dynamo.

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Crap.
This is old mossy and lazy believe.

I will emphasis this: Science has known for 172 years that the poles of the magnet that generates the Earth's magnetic field are ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.

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172 years = as I wrote it is a mossy believe. A lot of water has run to the ocean since. ( and have almost been ignored because it contradict the old belive)
Proven ? – Ohh come on Amigo

The solar wind does not have any relevance to the orgin of the Earth's magnetic field.

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We know that solar storms increases the strength of the Earth magnetic field.
But not why the Earth not (right now) can keep these contributions.
Ergo we know the solar wind is a dynamo "too".
There is A LOT more to understand regarding the solar wind - A LOT.

The solar wind has stopped (The Day the Solar Wind Disappeared) and no effects on the strength of the Earth's magnetic field were reported.

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Because the earth is basically a ferro magnetic field. Changing happens SLOWLY

We usually call that magnetic repulsion. It won't be influenced by heat, except if you heat the magnets themselves; then their strength may change.

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Not only that my friend, it will also smash the last argument for keeping the geo dynamo alive.
It should be easy to test, let’s bet, - you bring to pieces of bended and magnetised iron, I have the magnetometer and the fire, - ½ hour after we will know who is the dumbest, - and that’s it.
So how much shall we bet?

But I guess that maintaining you creeds is more important that smashing these.

Magnetism is probably one of the best explored areas in science.

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And so long you and a world belive we almost have understood everything, - we will not progress any further.
The amount of heat at the magnetic collision meeting point, will change you world, as well as the planets MF

This winter is cold, - everywhere.
Yesterday’s news: 4 million animals have dead in Mongolia, we expect 20 million animal to die.
Solar science experts seems to agree, a little (or a BIG) ice age could just have begun.
The sun is in fact very calm right now.
This is just one more knife in the geo dynamo speculation.
The geo-dynamo is already dead, it only need to fall.

Bjarne said:

We know that solar storms increases the strength of the Earth magnetic field.

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Crap.
We measure that solar storms have no effect on the overall strength of the Earth's magnetic field. The best that they can do is local disruptions on the order of hours.

Bjarne said:

The sun is in fact very calm right now.
This is just one more knife in the geo dynamo speculation.
The geo-dynamo is already dead, it only need to fall.

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The Sun is in fact not very calm not - a new group of monster sized sunspots have just appeared in the current cycle have appeared. By 2014 the sun will be in full glory.

This is nothing to do with the dynamo theory.

The ferromagnetic theory has been dead for 172 years and is defintely stinking.

Another bit of science for you to ignore:
The Earth's magnetic field has been measured to be lessening in strength by about 5% per 100 years, e.g.
Magnetic reversals

Measurements have been made of the Earth's magnetic field more or less continuously since about 1840. Some measurements even go back to the 1500s, for example at Greenwich in London. If we look at the trend in the strength of the magnetic field over this time (for example the so-called 'dipole moment' shown in the graph below) we can see a downward trend. Indeed projecting this forward in time would suggest zero dipole moment in about 1500-1600 years time. This is one reason why some people believe the field may be in the early stages of a reversal. We also know from studies of the magnetisation of minerals in ancient clay pots that the Earth's magnetic field was approximately twice as strong in Roman times as it is now

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We measure that solar storms have no effect on the overall strength of the Earth's magnetic field. The best that they can do is local disruptions on the order of hours.

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No.
Suns storms increases the MF for much longer time than that.
Anyway, - prediction : - this will soon change.
MNP is on its way into the Arctic Oceans magnetic anomaly.
This happens right now in these years.
This will increase the Earth magnetic susceptibility and you’ll be able to see a big change according to magnetic increase as well as how long the Earth will keep such magnetic contributions from solar storms.



Look at the cross.
MNP is now moving towards the centre of that arctic magnetic anomaly we will do many new discoveries, that definitive will give the geo dynamo, the final (and long time deserved) deathblow.

The Sun is in fact not very calm not

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Not calm, right, but in a relative perspective it is.

-a new group of monster sized sunspots have just appeared in the current cycle have appeared. By 2014 the sun will be in full glory.

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We don’t know why the Sun until bow had have 11 years period, and why this doesn’t seems to be so anymore.
Some sun researcher believes as you say that there “probably” soon will be large activity, and a sun storm just is delayed X numbers or years.
Other fears that a period where the sun is “calm” in a much longer period, maybe hundred years, maybe thousand, and who knows maybe 90.000 years ( a new ice age)
We simply don’t known, and can only guesses.

According to the theories, we have no idea why the sun now is more calm, or why it have been before.
Nobody knows, there are many guess, and that’ it.

The ferromagnetic theory has been dead for 172 years and is definitely stinking.

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Ohh no.
Brain activity in the right half of the brains of many scientists have been dead in especially the last 500 years.
Now a days we have much more puzzle, but most of the time no brain cells working in the right haft of the brain to put this pieces together.
Even we can’t (and don't want) to see obvious contradiction.

But don’t worry, it have always been so.
The only difference is that the name for crackpot was for 300 years gak gak and madhouses. (Today it’s the same; the difference is that you not always is allowed to say it.)

Another bit of science for you to ignore:
The Earth's magnetic field has been measured to be lessening in strength by about 5% per 100 years, e.g.

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I am not forgetting anything, read the theory my friend.
This as well as the cause of the South Atlantic anomaly; - is the fast motion of MNP, - in a very weak conductive crust area in Northern Canada.
The motion causes magnetic entanglement, - in it’s wake.
There fast motion in a bad conductive area = a decreasing and disintegrating field.
The South Atlantic Anomaly is simple caused by magnetic disintegration.
If the disintegration continue, you will have both a new Magnetic North and South pole in that ocean "soon".

Luckily MNP is right no on its way into an area with good magnetic conductivity, for the first time in about 2500 years.
So long it will be inside that area we are saved.
But if it will continue out of that area again, and keep moving in bad conductive areas for thousand of years, + the magnetic field of the Sun also is weak the next 1000 years. – I can guarantee you a ice age is on it’s way, sooner as you think.

We must try to experiment with the motion of MNP, also even though it sounds gak gak.
This is the only change we have, - sooner or later a new ice age will strike again, - there is no time to waste. Statistic an ice age must start now. We will be forces to fight against it. .

Brain activity in the right half of the brains of many scientists have been dead in especially the last 500 years.
Now a days we have much more puzzle, but most of the time no brain cells working in the right haft of the brain to put this pieces together.

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You mean that the scientific method have taken over from imagination/wishful thinking?

The strange thing is that I am pretty sure that physicists read (and write)much more science fiction than others. That would indicate no shortage of imagination.

You mean that the scientific method have taken over from imagination/wishful thinking?

I mean we have 2 chooses

1. A Geo dynamo, illogical and full of contradictions impossible to connect with several facts.
2. The old ferro magnetic theory, without any contradiction, and that also makes it possible to put us on the track to understand much more .

That would indicate no shortage of imagination

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It's not only a question of imagination, but also to be critical.

The crust varies in thickness - the MF does not change

Bjarne has an idea that the Earth's magnetic field is generated by ferromagnetics in the Earth's crust and the solar wind.
The flaws in this idea are easy to see:

1. The magnetic poles have been measured to be ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.This has been known for 172 years !
2. The solar wind does not change the overall strength of the Earth's MF.
   It has even stopped without any effects on the MF.

And the next one (of many to come).

The Earth's crust varies in thickness from 5 kilometers thick to 70 kilometers thick. The thin parts lie inder the oceans and the thick parts lie under the continents. Bjarne's idea means that the Earth's magnetic field will vary greatly between the oceans and the continents (maybe by a factor of 10). This is not observed.

Bjarne said:

You mean that the scientific method have taken over from imagination/wishful thinking?


I mean we have 2 chooses

1. A Geo dynamo, illogical and full of contradictions impossible to connect with several facts.

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The geo dynamo is well researched and has solid evidence. It seems illogical and contradictory to Bjarne because he does not understand it.

1. 1. The old ferro magnetic theory, without any contradiction, and that also makes it possible to put us on the track to understand much more .

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The ferromagnetic theory was proved wrong over a century ago. It is impossible to reconcile with known facts. Bjarne refuses to realize this.

However, the MOST funny thing about all this is that the ferromagnetic theory does not even support Bjarnes OWN idea that temperature can be controlled via the magnetic field. You see, if the ferromagnetic theory was true after all, it would indeed mean that temperature would influence the magnet field (albeit not by much), but the ferromagnetic/temperature relationship is one-sided, so while temperature can affect a magnet, a magnet does not influence temperature.

So even if Bjarne was right, he would still be wrong.

Hans

Ocelot said:

Usually though the conclusion comes AFTER the experiment.

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But at least he leaves the cows alone!