Can we control the temperature of Earth?

10. Bjarne cannot tell the difference between a power line that carries electrical power from one place to another and a magnetic field line.
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When a MF is strong enough, doesn’t matter how it is created, it can pull free loose electrons in a wire.
Hence a electric field in the wire, is exposed, - with the same strengths that the MF expose it.

All MF can “carry” particles, exactly like all streams can carry boats.

Therefore the MF off the Earth also "carry" charged and none charged particles.

Hint: The field produced by your magnets is not like the earth's actual magnetic field at all.
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Let us all pray (and close our eyes for the obvious conflicting reality) There is only one true god, and he lives 5000 km inside the Earth.
Amen
 
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Bjarne,
Your whole idea here is that a cable with power in can affect the earth's magnetic field.

If you look at the map in the link below you would notice that there are cable under the sea. On the sea are ships, with magnetic compasses, they have not complained about magnetic disturbance.

It tells me that humans have no chance whatsoever to affect the earth's magnetic field.

http://www.denstoredanske.dk/@api/deki/files/7631/=25655371.601.png?size=webview
 
Bjarne said:
When a MF is strong enough, doesn’t matter how it is created, it can pull free loose electrons in a wire.
Hence a electric field in the wire, is exposed, - with the same strengths that the MF expose it.

All MF can “carry” particles, exactly like all streams can carry boats.

Therefore the MF off the Earth also "carry" charged and none charged particles.

Let us all pray (and close our eyes from the obvious reality) There is only one true god, and he lives 5000 km inside the Earth.
Amen
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:dl:

Bjarne, you are rambling.

Hans
 
Toke said:
Bjarne,
Your whole idea here is that a cable with power in can affect the earth's magnetic field.

If you look at the map in the link below you would notice that there are cable under the sea. On the sea are ships, with magnetic compasses, they have not complained about magnetic disturbance.

It tells me that humans have no chance whatsoever to affect the earth's magnetic field.
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That's a little different. Some of the marine cables actually carry DC, but since both conductors are in the same cable and thus quite close, the magnet field doesn't extend very far. If we separated them a few hundred meters, they might well disturb a compass on the surface.

Not that his has any influence on Bjarne's ideas, but...

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
That's a little different. Some of the marine cables actually carry DC, but since both conductors are in the same cable and thus quite close, the magnet field doesn't extend very far. If we separated them a few hundred meters, they might well disturb a compass on the surface.

Not that his has any influence on Bjarne's ideas, but...

Hans
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I am pretty sure that the cables are just one conductor with the sea as return.
Not that his has any influence on Bjarne's ideas, but...
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:D

ETA: http://ssit.eucnordvest.dk/grundforloebsprojekt_elektriker/Elforsyning%20og%20fordeling.pdf
A pdf in Danish, see page 8 for description of the connection Göteburg - Vester hassing with the sea as return.
 
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Toke said:
I am pretty sure that the cables are just one conductor with the sea as return.

:D
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Perhaps, at least for the DC cables. But that is really the same: The return 'wire' is very close to the live wire (actually, you get a virtual coaxial cable), so there is very little external magnet field.

We do use demagnetizer coils to demagnetize ships. Most large harbors have one; it lies on the bottom between two buoys, and you apply AC current to it and sail the ship over it.

Hans
 
We do use demagnetizer coils to demagnetize ships. Most large harbors have one; it lies on the bottom between two buoys, and you apply AC current to it and sail the ship over it.
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Never heard of it. Maybe some navies got it.
I heard of one minesweeper that had a multicore cable around the hull carrying current. The number of cores in use were adjusted in the junction box after visiting a German metering station. (happened regularly)
 
Toke said:
Never heard of it. Maybe some navies got it.
I heard of one minesweeper that had a multicore cable around the hull carrying current. The number of cores in use were adjusted in the junction box after visiting a German metering station. (happened regularly)
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There is one in the Copenhagen harbor, but this is for merchant ships, so they don't need to have the compass corrected every time they have been moored for a week. Mine-sweepers are in an entirely different league, and will need special gear.

Hans
 
Bjarne, you are rambling.
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If the world of “scientist” really still have any common sense (left), - and I not (at all), I must say I am very happy that I am an exception, [and haven’t gone (too) long in school. ]

Bjarne,
Your whole idea here is that a cable with power in can affect the earth's magnetic field.

If you look at the map in the link below you would notice that there are cable under the sea. On the sea are ships, with magnetic compasses, they have not complained about magnetic disturbance.

It tells me that humans have no chance whatsoever to affect the earth's magnetic field.

http://www.denstoredanske.dk/@api/de...g?size=webview
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That's a little different. Some of the marine cables actually carry DC.......
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DC right
A large DC circuit can and will affect the MF of Earth.
Off course there is doubt how strong the MNP area of the EARTH must be to keep MNP calm.
To get started we don't need to build a huge billion USD experiment to test how much can we effect the MF of Earth.
The first experiment could be on a framers field, - let say diameter 1 km.
On that basis we can get an idea of how much energy it takes to get a certain effect.
Or/And we could measure how much CERN disturbs the MF (measurement satellites this is not possible).

Based on that, and based on understanding this theory I believe we can beforehand calculate how big a circuit and how much energy it will require to “keep the Earth MF entrance widely open”

Maybe we do not need an DC circuit that have diameter 3000 km as suggested, maybe 100 km diameter is enough. If the magnetic conductivety below the DC circuit field is good, it will do the rest, like a chain reaction.
 
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Bjarne said:
I must say I am very happy that I am an exception, [and haven’t gone (too) long in school. ]
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We would never have guessed.Why do you think that you know more about this subject that people here who did go to school for a long time?
 
Bjarne,
Why don't you show some calculations on the strength of large electromagnets, and then scale it up to what you are proposing. (I think you are several magnitudes off in your guesses)

Or do your lack of educational bias/brainwashing mean you also lack any idea of what you are talking about?
 
Bjarne,
Why don't you show some calculations on the strength of large electromagnets, and then scale it up to what you are proposing.
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I think nobody really know what the crust of the Earth really contains
I believe the deepest hole in the crust is few kilometre, but the crust can be up to 80 km thick.
Anyway it should be possible to do some rough calculation…
But so long man and beast don’t understand the theory, it’s no hurry to do it.
The first step is to bury the death geo-dynamo.
Sorry, - it is already buried (5000 km beneath) so I mean, now we first need to get it out of our electric (turbo) rectified brain circuits, and return down to earth, - I mean up to Earth, (to the surface) ..

(I think you are several magnitudes off in your guesses)
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Maybe, but I really don't hope so.
If a small circuits is enough for example less as diameter 10 km, maybe a smart “iron core” for example 1 million small (fx 10 metre) vertical beams, can be used, this will give much more magnetic power.
 
Bjarne said:
I think nobody really know what the crust of the Earth really contains
I believe the deepest hole in the crust is few kilometre, but the crust can be up to 80 km thick.
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I think that you know nothing about geology, how to do basic scientific research or even how to use Google.
Everybody really knows what the crust of the Earth really contains, e.g. there are little things called volcanoes that allow magma (molten crust) to reach the surface.
 
I think that you know nothing about geology, how to do basic scientific research or even how to use Google.
Everybody really knows what the crust of the Earth really contains, e.g. there are little things called volcanoes that allow magma (molten crust) to reach the surface.
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So fare I know there are two big theories to why volcanoes erupt, and form how deep the magma comes.

Volcanoes doesn’t reflect the distribution / amount of magnetic materiel, so fare I understand.
But as mention even though we know roughly how much ferro-magnetic materiel there is distributed in the crust, and how deep, - this point is only of secondary importance, even though it's important too.
 
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Bjarne said:
But as mention even though we know roughly how much ferro-magnetic materiel there is distributed in the crust, and how deep, - this point is only of secondary importance, even though it's important too.
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I guess the fact that your idea demands enough "ferro-magnetic materiel" to explain the strength of the MF is "only of secondary importance"
Rocks aren't strongly enough magnetized to account for the observed geomagnetic field
First asked 16 February 2010

The real importance is the stupidity of thinking that the origin of the MF is in the crust when:
The magnetic poles have been measured to be ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.
This has been known for 172 years :eye-poppi !
 
Outstanding question for Bjarne

So lets have a look at the Big Box of Thermal Heat (BBTH). It is obviously in the Earth's crust just below each magnetic pole. We know that the magnetic poles move at rates of kilometers per year.
  • The NMP is moving at 64 km per year towards Russia.
  • The SMP is moving north west by about 10 to 15 kilometers per year.
Thus the BBTH must also be moving at the same rate. This is a problem for Bjarne since we know that heat sources in the Earth do not move. What happens is that the crust moves above them, e.g. the mantle plume that created the Hawaiian Islands. That movement is on the scale of centimeters per year.

First asked 26 February 2010
Bjarne,
What creates your Big Box of Thermal Heat?
And of course - How fast is it moving?
 
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