Pyramids in the bible

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Moved from "Building My Pyramid" thread in the "General Skepticism and The Paranormal" Forum:

The "Building My Pyramid" thread deals with how the pyramids in Egypt (and other places) may have been constructed.
Creekfreak makes the claim that pyramids are specifically mentioned in the bible (The Marian Edition). His quotes are provided as posted (spelling and all).

Creekfreak said:
One thing you all seem to forget is that it says in the bible that giants helped to build them .
Bill I am not sure right off hand where in the bible it says this but it is there I ran across it when I was researching the giants of the bible .
It makes a lot of sence if you want to move something big you find the bigest guys around still works even today .
As far as the plans to build them they had many years to perfect them so the enginenering was no great feat just many years of pratice .
Any way its fun to think about it would be great to be able to go back in time just to find out the real truths about stuff like this .
There is no dout the workers had to be strong and to keep them strong they had to feed them good .
Correct me if I am worng about the numbers but I read some where that they had incubaters in hatcheries that could hatch 100s of thousands of eggs at a time .
This tells me they where on a high proten diet if so the workers where most likely very strong like body builders .
Add to that being giants some as tall as 15 feet or more they did not need many to move those stones just levers and blocks and tackles .
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When asked to provide the quote, this is one of several of Creekfreak's replies:
Creekfreak said:
I was surprized myself when I saw it I never expected the pyramids to be in it ether but it is there .
I looked but could not find it this morning Ill keep looking for it I know its there it was in one of the translations of a passage it said these where the same gaints that built the pyramids .
I am not just makeing this up I did read it or I would not have remembered it .
Of course it was just a translation so I know it does not hold water with you folks but I did read it .

And of course we are dealing with a bible translated by the catholics so that in itself sends up a red flag for me I dont trust the son of a bitches that did the translations .
As far as I can tell this bible I have was printed in 1964 but was copyrighted 1950 to 1957 .
Do you beleave they had the nerve to copyright the bible what a bunch of pius ******** .
Bill I am sorry also I did not want to derail your thread ether
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When again pressed to provide the quote/reference for his claim, Creekfreak offers this:
Creekfreak said:
Well it looks like I am not the only one that thinks this http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42637
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This book is based on Genesis 6:4 which contains the verse
Genesis 6:4 said:
There were giants in the Earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them...
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No place in this quote does the term "pyramid" appear, nor does it appear in any of the over 20 on-line editions of the bible. Rather then provide the cite (as promised), Creekfreak offers excuses and then a book on fiction/religion/mythology as his proof.

I suggest that Creekfreak is wrong, that the term "pyramid" does not appear in the bible. I of course encourage someone, anyone, to prove me wrong and provide the cite within the bible that contains this term.
 
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I did not offer this book as proof Lock I just said someone else agrees with what I am saying .
Do you still deny there where gaints on the earth ?
 
Creekfreak said:
I did not offer this book as proof Lock I just said someone else agrees with what I am saying .
Do you still deny there where gaints on the earth ?
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Creek, I don't think whether or not giants are mentioned in the bible is the issue. The issue seems to be whether or not the bible mentions giants building pyramids.

Does any version of any bible state that giants built the pyramids?
 
I watched this claim on the pyramid thread as well. His primary claim from what I could gather was that it says in the bible that giants helped to build them. He mentioned a version of the bible which I initially thought did not exist, but was shown later it did, but under a different name.

Sometimes the argument seems to shift over to whether or not giants are mentioned at all in the bible. And I don't think anyone is challenging Creekfreak about that point. The challenge is whether the bible says that they helped build the pyramids.

I have not seen him provide any evidence of that statement yet, other than he read it somewhere.
 
Creekfreak said:
I did not offer this book as proof Lock I just said someone else agrees with what I am saying .
Do you still deny there where gaints on the earth ?
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As mentioned in the bible - without a doubt, 100% yes I deny they ever existed as I do not view the bible as a factual reference.

This, however, has ZERO to do with your claim that the word "pyramid" appears in the bible. Produce the cite, or drop the claim.
 
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Creekfreak, memories can be unreliable at times. There is nothing wrong with saying that you remembered the passage incorrectly. There is no translation of the Bible that mentions giants helping to build the pyramids in Egypt.


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p.s. A good psychiatrist can help you overcome your strange punctuation fetish.
 
I will give you this maybe it was a different bible I saw it in
It may have been the stroms concordince I saw it in yes my memory might not be what it was but I never forget what I want to remember and this is one of those things I did want to remember .
 
Creekfreak said:
I will give you this maybe it was a different bible I saw it in
It may have been the stroms concordince I saw it in yes my memory might not be what it was but I never forget what I want to remember and this is one of those things I did want to remember .
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A different bible, as in one that is non-Christian? Do you then concede that pyramids are not mentioned in the Christian bible?

Anyone...what is a "stroms concordince"?

ETA: I think he means "Strong's Bible Corcordance", and no...the word "pyramid" does not appear in there either. It can't, as "pryamid" does not appear in the bible.
 
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Apparently Jehovah's witnesses used to believe that the great pyramid is a different bible. They seem to have given this up now but some other sites I looked at made this claim. Have you been reading old Watchtowers, Creekfreak?
 
Sorry it was the Companion Bible I saw it in so I was slightly mistaken as to what bible it was in .
 
No Finoa Ive never payed the Jehovah's witnesses much thought except that what they beleave makes no sence to me .
Why would they want more to join there church if only so many are set to go to heaven ?
You would think they would not want to give up there seat to any new members if they allready have as many that will go .
 
Creekfreak said:
Sorry it was the Companion Bible I saw it in so I was slightly mistaken as to what bible it was in .
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So just to keep track...you first claimed it was "The Marian Edition", then "Strong's Bible Concordance" (which is not a bible at all), and now "The Companion Bible" (again, not a bible at all).

"The Companion Bible" typically refers to the one by E. W. Bullinger - a "one-volume study Bible in the King James Version. Helps include 198 appendices, including explanations of Hebrew words and their uses; charts; parallel passages; maps; lists of proper names; calendars; and timelines." (source: Amazon)

If your claim is now "pyramid" is mentioned in this companion, as it is not a bible itself, you concede the point. That said, there is no mention of "pyramids" in the companion either...so you're still not just "slightly mistaken" but totally wrong.

I'd say, 3 strikes and your out...but please keep trying.
 
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So your saying this bible is not a real bible ? If so what bible would you consider to be real ?
 
Creekfreak said:
So your saying this bible is not a real bible ? If so what bible would you consider to be real ?
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I'm not saying anything. According to the description from Amazon, it is a one volume study Bible in the KJ version. I take this to mean it is a study guide, which expands/explains various bible versus.

Additionally, Wiki defines "The Companion Bible" as a "is a guide developed by the Christadelphians to aid reading the Bible." (NOTE: BOLD added by Locknar)

If you disagree with Amazon's, or say Wiki's, definition take it up with them accordingly.

"The Companion Bible" being a bible or not does not change the fact that "pyramid" is not mentioned in it, as you have claimed.
 
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Originally Posted by Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the Earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them

What this passage actually refers to is the "Giants" are meant to be ALIENS some people believe and "Sons of Gods came in unto the daughters of man and they bare children to them" according to the same theory is that these alien "giants" were basically acting like sailors on shore leave coming to Earth and basicaly shaging anything that moved just like sailors and the story of Noah if you read it the Bible says he was pure in his generations as in PURE BRED HUMAN not actual Gods or Giants coming to Earth but E.T and his gang on shore leave who were looking for some loving from the natives
 
DARK LORD XENU said:
Originally Posted by Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the Earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them

What this passage actually refers to is the "Giants" are meant to be ALIENS some people believe and "Sons of Gods came in unto the daughters of man and they bare children to them" according to the same theory is that these alien "giants" were basically acting like sailors on shore leave coming to Earth and basicaly shaging anything that moved just like sailors and the story of Noah if you read it the Bible says he was pure in his generations as in PURE BRED HUMAN not actual Gods or Giants coming to Earth but E.T and his gang on shore leave who were looking for some loving from the natives
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What does that have to do with whether or not the bible says giants built the pyramids?
 
Well what I said with my last post here I admit has nothing to do with the Pyramids but the Bible verse used to back it up as in these "Giants" according to some MAY have been aliens I'm not trying to say aliens built them but I wanted to share what I have come across on the subject, besides I have a feeling that back when the pyramids were built they knew something back then we don't know now. ie how to built pyramids with the tools they had then
 
Creekfreak said:
So your saying this bible is not a real bible ? If so what bible would you consider to be real ?
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You could start with the codex Septagint, or the codex Vaticanus. Prior to that, there are only fragmentary paparii...

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I suppose, since we are talking OT, you could consider the Masoretic Text, written in Hebrew, around 100 AD. It existed prior to the writings of the New Testament and was used as the official Hebrew Old Testament at the time the biblical canon was established.
 
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The blocks were poured like concrete.

Not as mysterious as the Egyptian tourist industry would have you believe.

Also, science does not like to point put that they did not see the obvious from the outset, therefore they ignore the question.
 
Creekfreak said:
Why would they want more to join there church if only so many are set to go to heaven ?
You would think they would not want to give up there seat to any new members if they already have as many that will go .
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That one always befuddled me.


DARK LORD XENU said:
Genesis 6:4 : There were giants in the Earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them

What this passage actually refers to is the "Giants" are meant to be ALIENS some people believe and "Sons of Gods came in unto the daughters of man and they bare children to them" according to the same theory is that these alien "giants" were basically acting like sailors on shore leave coming to Earth and basically shagging anything that moved just like sailors and the story of Noah if you read it the Bible says he was pure in his generations as in PURE BRED HUMAN not actual Gods or Giants coming to Earth but E.T and his gang on shore leave who were looking for some loving from the natives
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That is a biological impossibility.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
The blocks were poured like concrete.

Not as mysterious as the Egyptian tourist industry would have you believe.

Also, science does not like to point put that they did not see the obvious from the outset, therefore they ignore the question.
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I have heard this theory, but the rebuttal is that there are fossils in the blocks, though I cannot substantiate this with a reference. Anybody have a link about this?

As for the pyramids in the Bible, I have read it multiple times, and it just isn't even suggested. The only place it could possibly be is in the book of exodus, and that book deals with Moses more than anything else.
 
Creekfreak said:
Why would they want more to join there church if only so many are set to go to heaven ?
You would think they would not want to give up there seat to any new members if they allready have as many that will go .
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Well, Creek, that is not what they say at all. If you want to reject JWs, at least learn what they really say first instead of simply making stuff up.

Reject them for the RIGHT reasons, not because you think you will somehow miss the boat!

You really don't have a clue about anything, do you?

Norm
 
Here's what is probably the best stab at making the Bible mention pyramids (the Isaiah verse quoted at the top of the page, and discussed lower down). It's quite tenuous. They also seem to argue that a structure which is thousands of years old can also suddenly be a 'sign for the End Times', and to (in the Christian tradition) steal the pyramid and make it their holy creation, not someone else's.

Anyway, yes. Tenuous at best, probably. Certainly not a clear mention of the pyramids, and not a giant to be seen, anywhere.
 
Nucular said:
Here's what is probably the best stab at making the Bible mention pyramids (the Isaiah verse quoted at the top of the page, and discussed lower down). It's quite tenuous.
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BibleStudents.com? Given the stretching, the shoehorning, the poor quality of sources, and the limited use of sources in this theory, I have to wonder how anyone earns less than an A when studying with these folks. It seems that as long as the theme of one's essay is "therefore God is wonderful," one is allowed free rein to run roughshod over the facts.
 
Is there truly no mention of the Pyramids in scripture? Isn't that a bit odd? I mean, here were the Israelites, enslaved by Pharaoh and all, and they didn't even notice?

"There we were, enslaved in Egypt all the luck. You know, the place with the big pyramids?
Some of the guards told us they built 'em with some giants, but I don't know...We sure haven't seen any around...."

I understand the whole notion of the Egyptian servitude period is doubted by some mainstream Egyptologists. Apparently the Egyptians never mentioned it.

From Pharoah's diary:

"Bit of a bother with the Israelite slaves today, a bunch of them scampered with that pest Moses. Some gratitude....
I sent the army after them, but reports from the field say there was some problem at the Red Sea. Still waiting for word from the general...."
 
Bikewer said:
From Pharoah's diary:

"Bit of a bother with the Israelite slaves today, a bunch of them scampered with that pest Moses. Some gratitude....
I sent the army after them, but reports from the field say there was some problem at the Red Sea. Still waiting for word from the general...."
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National histories tend not to write about defeats.
 
Ladewig said:
BibleStudents.com? Given the stretching, the shoehorning, the poor quality of sources, and the limited use of sources in this theory, I have to wonder how anyone earns less than an A when studying with these folks. It seems that as long as the theme of one's essay is "therefore God is wonderful," one is allowed free rein to run roughshod over the facts.
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Well, yes. The article I linked to is packed full of supposition, inaccuracy and distortion.

But I would say, that if you're going to try to argue that the Egyptian pyramids are mentioned in the Bible (which I'm not), then that verse and short discussion, whilst likely wrong, is still probably your best bet.

I also thought that possibly that sort of reference might appeal to Creekfreak.
 
Bikewer said:
I understand the whole notion of the Egyptian servitude period is doubted by some mainstream Egyptologists. Apparently the Egyptians never mentioned it.
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Well the closest thing that the have found is from a victory stele from the reign of Merneptah, the ruler after Ramesses II, that says 'Israel is devastated, her seed is no more, Palestine has become a widow for Egypt'. But that doesn't mean too much though.

On another note I once had an argument with a few people on something like this, including someone who claimed to be Helena Lehman who wrote some rather crappy stuff on the subject of "the Egyptians never built the Great Pyramid". I was told to read a chapter of one of the books on the subject.
 
Nucular said:
Well, yes. The article I linked to is packed full of supposition, inaccuracy and distortion.

But I would say, that if you're going to try to argue that the Egyptian pyramids are mentioned in the Bible (which I'm not), then that verse and short discussion, whilst likely wrong, is still probably your best bet.

I also thought that possibly that sort of reference might appeal to Creekfreak.
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Their time line features pyramids quite a lot though (they clearly like pyramids)

The Bible doesn't mention pyramids and any inference that it does is tenuous at best. This is odd because Greek, Roman and other writers who talk about Egypt do mention the pyramids. They do kind of stick out and when they had their white finish and decorations must have looked amazing.
 
Nucular said:
Well, yes. The article I linked to is packed full of supposition, inaccuracy and distortion.

But I would say, that if you're going to try to argue that the Egyptian pyramids are mentioned in the Bible (which I'm not), then that verse and short discussion, whilst likely wrong, is still probably your best bet.
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I agree with this post and the post that prompted my response. I just wanted to point out that the site clearly stepped very far outside the circle labeled "the place where reasonable and rational people like to stand."
 
So first you tell me that Jesus didn't exist, then you tell me that the Egyptian captivity didn't happen...

Next you're going to tell me that Elijah didn't cast down fire from heaven on his opponents! I bet after that you're going to say that the sun didn't stand still for Joshua! You probably think that the book of Revelation is nothing but a bad acid trip!
 
Creekfreak - Still waiting for that cite...so where is it? It can't be because you can't provide it can it, that there is no mention of the word "pyramid" in the bible, "Strong's Bible Concordance" or "The Companion Bible".

Do yourself a favor, and just concede the point. To continue just makes you look foolish.
 
m_huber said:
So first you tell me that Jesus didn't exist, then you tell me that the Egyptian captivity didn't happen...

Next you're going to tell me that Elijah didn't cast down fire from heaven on his opponents! I bet after that you're going to say that the sun didn't stand still for Joshua! You probably think that the book of Revelation is nothing but a bad acid trip!
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or good trip depending on ones preferences.
 
Halcyon Dayz said:
That is a biological impossibility.
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With the bit about aliens breeding with humans it was only a theory I once heard also not to start an argument with you over it but when it comes to aliens breeding with humans who knows what the result will be as far as we know it could be done but then again it could be an impossibility as you said but at this time with no greys around for me to test the theory with well we are royaly boned with finding out
 
DARK LORD XENU said:
With the bit about aliens breeding with humans it was only a theory I once heard also not to start an argument with you over it but when it comes to aliens breeding with humans who knows what the result will be as far as we know it could be done but then again it could be an impossibility as you said but at this time with no greys around for me to test the theory with well we are royaly boned with finding out
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Well, if you're talking about aliens, as in extraterrestrial beings which have evolved on another planet seperately from humans, then, as Carl Sagan once remarked, you'd be more likely to be able to successfully mate with a geranium.
 
Nucular said:
Well, if you're talking about aliens, as in extraterrestrial beings which have evolved on another planet seperately from humans, then, as Carl Sagan once remarked, you'd be more likely to be able to successfully mate with a geranium.
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Fair point to make mate! All I mean is that sure chances it would be an impossibility but then again stranger stuff has and does happen a lot, also you never know some weirdo may just figure out how to cross human dna with that of a common geranium! Now that would be worthy of a nobel prize of some sort in my opinion. do you at all see the point I was trying to make?
 
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