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Crazy Chainsaw

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Crazy Chainsaw
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I mixed, nitrated polymers, PVCs, and electronics with AlN, Aluminum iron chloride, and iron oxide .

When my but stops hurting I will tell you more about it.
Just lucky I did not mix a large sample.
Oh the AlNO3 with clorides and aluminum caused a flowing glowing yellow mass of Aluminum, when the mass dripped onto the wet ground it exploded, just a small puff of hydrogen, however, it did surprise me and I busted my but.
What did you guys think I blew myself up again?;)

http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/57

http://www.accuratus.com/alumni.html

The question is what nitrated polymers would have been in the buildings?
Were nitrated polymers used at all in the buildings?

PS. TAM, why does falling on my but give me a head ache? :D
 
I nearly blew myself up a few times as a kid! Once making nitrated light oil, and another time producing with sparged H2O2 that was really close to pure. I have a hearing deficit to this day from the nitrated light oil...
 
BenBurch said:
I nearly blew myself up a few times as a kid! Once making nitrated light oil, and another time producing with sparged H2O2 that was really close to pure. I have a hearing deficit to this day from the nitrated light oil...
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...I must have been deprived as a child
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I mixed, nitrated polymers, PVCs, and electronics with AlN, Aluminum iron chloride, and iron oxide .

When my but stops hurting I will tell you more about it.
Just lucky I did not mix a large sample.
Oh the AlNO3 with clorides and aluminum caused a flowing glowing yellow mass of Aluminum, when the mass dripped onto the wet ground it exploded, just a small puff of hydrogen, however, it did surprise me and I busted my but.
What did you guys think I blew myself up again?;)

http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/57

http://www.accuratus.com/alumni.html

The question is what nitrated polymers would have been in the buildings?
Were nitrated polymers used at all in the buildings?

PS. TAM, why does falling on my but give me a head ache? :D
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Interesting CC, but be careful! Regarding the head ache, it might be whiplash. You could sue the chemical companies...

If this is supposed to have something to do with WTC, where does the aluminum nitrate come from?
 
GregoryUrich said:
Interesting CC, but be careful! Regarding the head ache, it might be whiplash. You could sue the chemical companies...

If this is supposed to have something to do with WTC, where does the aluminum nitrate come from?
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Just to nitpick. It's been a while since high school chemistry for me, but isn't AlN Aluminum Nitrite?
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I mixed, nitrated polymers, PVCs, and electronics with AlN, Aluminum iron chloride, and iron oxide .

When my but stops hurting I will tell you more about it.
Just lucky I did not mix a large sample.
Oh the AlNO3 with clorides and aluminum caused a flowing glowing yellow mass of Aluminum, when the mass dripped onto the wet ground it exploded, just a small puff of hydrogen, however, it did surprise me and I busted my but.
What did you guys think I blew myself up again?;)

http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/57

http://www.accuratus.com/alumni.html

The question is what nitrated polymers would have been in the buildings?
Were nitrated polymers used at all in the buildings?

PS. TAM, why does falling on my but give me a head ache? :D
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Chainsaw, how the hell do you manage to hurt yourself so often ? Don't they have safety equipment down in... er... wherever you live ?

Seriously, man. Take care of yourself!
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
PS. TAM, why does falling on my but give me a head ache? :D
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I don't have the medical background that TAM has, but perhaps it's indicative of some sort of direct connection??

;)

Seriously, dude, please take care with these experiements! I don't wanna open CNN.com someday and discover that you've accidentally replicated the Ming Dynasty Astronaut experiment with success! Earthbound is good, especially when compared to high-G re-entry sans vehicle!
 
mortimer said:
Just to nitpick. It's been a while since high school chemistry for me, but isn't AlN Aluminum Nitrite?
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Yes, AlN is aluminum nitrite, used as in semiconductors and electronics.

I mixed AlN with AlN03, and chlorides.

For the Aluminum Nitrate, I decomposed Nitrated cellulose glue and Lacquer wood-metal coating, with aluminum, to form Aluminum Nitrate.
The AIN came from Electronic parts.
The chlorides were aluminum Chloride and iron chlorides.
AIN is used for,
Substrates for electronic packages
Heat sinks
IC packages
Power transistor bases
Microwave device packages.
If this chemistry played a part in the towers, I can see why the reaction would have produce the material falling from the buildings.

http://www.newyorkfirst.com/gifts/3050.html


Isn't nitrocellulose Lacquer used on computer disks?
 
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
We are talking about CDs in banks here wonder what they would have bought? ;)
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Well, were *I* their IT person I would have recommended a premium brand. But then, of course, my manager would have bought the cheapest thing he could find. And then later blamed me for the fact that the data deteriorated to unreadability in only 5 years...
 
mortimer said:
Just to nitpick. It's been a while since high school chemistry for me, but isn't AlN Aluminum Nitrite?
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Actually, I believe it is Aluminum Nitride - :) Nitrite and Nitrate should have Oxygen as a component.


Apologies Nitro D - I tend to answer tech things immediately - without reading further.
 
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CC:

WILL YOU WATCH YOURSELF!!! my goodness, you are going to get yourself killed!

You are lucky your head only hurts when you fall on your butt.

TAM:)
 
BenBurch said:
Well, were *I* their IT person I would have recommended a premium brand. But then, of course, my manager would have bought the cheapest thing he could find. And then later blamed me for the fact that the data deteriorated to unreadability in only 5 years...
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the compnay i work for uses the cheapest cds we can find, because cd-rs arent important, typically used for transporting data from point A to point B and are usually shredded or forgotten in a file cabinet drawer within a month

for important data we use tape media for offsite backups, a bank probably does the same
 
Pah, that's nothing. I once opened a really old plastic bottle of orange juice which had the lid screwed on really tightly. Now THAT was an explosion!
 
Reminds me of story told by head of local haz mat squad above guy who decided to
"shock treat" his pool. Took a half dozen or so tablets of HTH (high stength hypochorite)
smashed them to powder with hammer. Tossed it into greasy old bucket then poured
in gallon of bleach. When haz mat squad rolled up after explosion found him crawling
around retching - with his hair turned lovely shade of green....

Seriously - had two friends in high school almost kill themselves - cast a replica cannon
out of aluminium in metal shop (was supposed to be book end), drilled it out then rammed
in bunch of gunpowder with wads of klennex, lit the sucker. Totally vaporized the
cannon, one wound up in hospital while they dug pieces of metal out of shoulder. Took
chunk of of concrete basement foundation....
 
Tbone said:
Pah, that's nothing. I once opened a really old plastic bottle of orange juice which had the lid screwed on really tightly. Now THAT was an explosion!
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bah...this happened to me with a Costco/Sam's club size bottle of Prego Spagehetti sauce. Now, that's a mess that'll take you forever to clean up


CC, take care of yourself buddy.
 
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Tbone said:
Pah, that's nothing. I once opened a really old plastic bottle of orange juice which had the lid screwed on really tightly. Now THAT was an explosion!
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Arus808 said:
bah...this happened to me with a Costco/Sam's club size bottle of Prego Spagehetti sauce. Now, that's a mess that'll take you forever to clean up
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Heh... funny that. In that other thread - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104496 - we were just tallking about food product expiration dates. But not with such explosive outcomes!
 
:jaw-dropp Cross checking Richard Pryor jokes...
System overload.....
Need... Beer....
 
If it's any consolation, chainsaw, nobody here thinks you're an idiot in any way, shape, or form.

Just be careful, okay?
 
I'm missing something here...

What have you done in the past, Crazy Chainsaw, and what is it you do for a living (hobby?) that results in so much ... erm, interesting ... chemistry?
 
Thanks Everyone for the concern, and after a good nights rest and some pain killers I am fine, at least now I know what could have set off a hydrogen or other reactions in the towers.
AlN is used in radar equipment electronics, AlNO3 in cheap CDs, what would happen in a fire with AlN, AlNO3, Aluminum, Aluminum Chloride, Iron Chloride, Lead Chloride?
Answer exactly what happened when the material dropped from the buildings.
Sulfuric acid and other compounds from the UPS batteries and building would only make the mixture more complicated by adding to the reaction.

Such reactions are also likely in the rubble pile, though chemical reactions.
This was probably my last experiment for a while, not because I have stopped investigating, but because I can think of nothing else to blow up, right now.
As I always thought the situation is to dynamic for the easy answers that everyone has been looking for.
 
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Chainsaw:

Sorry I missed this thread. I was too bust fending off... well you know!

Anyway, I do believe AlN forms on the surface of molten aluminum and is a significant component of "dross.". In fact AlN, (ALUMINUM NITRIDE), starts to form on the surface of molten aluminum at about 650 deg C. The reaction really gets going at 850 deg C and can actually make the entire mass glow. (Source: Handbook of Preparative Inorganic Chemistry, Volume 1, page 872)
 
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So Chainsaw, which one are you? Billy Sol Hurok or Big Jim McBob?
Enquiring mind wants to know.

"May the good lord take a likin' to ya and blow ya up reeeeal goood!"
 
Apollo20 said:
Chainsaw:

Sorry I missed this thread. I was too bust fending off... well you know!

Anyway, I do believe AlN forms on the surface of molten aluminum and is a significant component of "dross.". In fact AlN, (ALUMINUM NITRIDE), starts to form on the surface of molten aluminum at about 650 deg C. The reaction really gets going at 850 deg C and can actually make the entire mass glow. (Source: Handbook of Preparative Inorganic Chemistry, Volume 1, page 872)
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I agree you would have some AlN formation in air as well as some AlNO2-3, it is the reaction of Chlorides with AlNO2-3 that I find interesting, it can make a moving mass of a metal and chloride glow and flow at the same time because it is an oxidizer.
Metal chlorides react with it to Form metal oxides.
 
I expect Steven Jones to come out with new paper outlining how he found Aluminium
nitrate in the slag from the WTC. Expect new theory on how columns were packed
by NWO with this susbstance to bring down building.

Thanks Crazy Chainsaw for explaining how the Towers could collapse so completely....
 
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