Value in Logic\Mathematics

doronshadmi

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Let us explore the traditional point of view about numbers (the values) and numerals (their representations).

According to the traditional point of view, any given R member (some real-number) is a unique value along the real-line (and so is some complex number (C member) in the complex plane).

This unique value can be represented by a unique and single symbol (for example let us use "@" for the ratio 1/4), but it is not useful to give a unique symbol for each given number, so during the years we developed several methods that produce numerals (representations of values) by systematic methods (actually this is similar to the informal way, which uses a finite amount of symbols in order to represent words and sentences according to certain rules).

The most useful one is the place value method that systematically uses a finite amount of basic symbols (their quantity is changed by the base value, for example: base-two has two basic symbols "0","1". Base-three has three basic symbols "0","1","2". Base-n has n basic symbols, ... etc.)

It is well known that the number of symbols that represent some value (some R member, in this case) can be changed if we use different bases to represent this value, and it does not matter if this value is a fraction or a whole number.

For example: in order to represent number five in base ten we need a single symbol, which is "5", but in order to represent number five in base three we need at least three symbols "101".

So, according to the traditional point of view "five", "5" or "101" are no more than different representations of the same value (where the value is the number itself).

Furthermore, it does not matter if we need infinitely many symbols or finitely many symbols in order to represent some value (some number) for example:

0.7[base 10] = 0.10110011001100110011001100110011001100110011... [base 2]

1 = 0.111...[base 2] = 0.222...[base 3] = ... = 0.999...[base 10] = ...

This is the standard mathematical framework.

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My mathematical framework is a complementation between VSL and ASL, where Mathematics of the past 2500 years is mostly based on ASL.

Here is a comparison between ASL and VSL, based on Dr. Linda Kreger Silverman's research (please look at the difference between what is called Visual Special Learning and Auditory Sequential Learning ( http://www.visualspatial.org/Articles/intro.pdf , http://www.visualspatial.org/Articles/idvsls.pdf ). ):

VSL-ASL.jpg




Things are changed if Symmetry is used as the universal principle of logic.

Let a 2-valued framework be represented by A B.

A B relation is:

A B
A A
A B
B A
B B

These relations can be reduced (without a loss of generality) to
symmetric (AA or BB) \ asymmetric (AB or BA) relations, represented as:

AB
XX is AB symmetry --> A=B (AB is the same)
XY is AB asymmetry --> A≠B (AB is not the same)

A=B can be reduced (without a loss of generality) to a single value X.

A≠B cannot be reduced to a single value without a loss of detail X or Y.

Furthermore, in order to conclude that A≠B, they must share the same realm.

So 2-valued framework is at least X (symmetry or sameness) \ XY (asymmetry or difference) relation.

Let us use SA (Symmetry\Asymmetry relation) on 2-valued Logic:

T F NXOR
F F considered
F T not considered
T F not considered
T T considered

T F XOR
F F not considered
F T considered
T F considered
T T not considered

T F NXOR\XOR
F F considered
F T considered
T F considered
T T considered

T F generalization of NXOR\XOR
X X considered
X Y considered

Let us examine 3-valued logic:

SymmLogic.jpg


Both cases are reduced to SA (Symmetry\Asymmetry relation) without a loss of generality:

Code:
A B C 
X X X -->   X    (symmetry)
X X Y -->  X Y
X Y Z --> X Y Z  (asymmetry)

3-valued logic can be extended to any x-valued logic where x is any standard or non-standard value of [0,1]. By using Symmetry\Asymmetry relation, we define the universal principle of any given logical system, standard or non-standard.

By Symmetry, Symmetry is Asymmetry.

By Asymmetry, Asymmetry is_not Symmetry.

If there is no common basis, then anything is totally isolated, and nothing can be compared in order to define some difference. If there is only a common thing, then anything is totally connected, and nothing can be found beyond total unity. In both cases we do not get the researchable. So, the researchable is at least a unified isolation. Let us represent this notion by using an ASL\VSL representation method.

Let "=" be is
Let "≠" be is_not
Let "S" be Symmetry
Let "A" be Asymmetry

S=A from S point of view.

A≠S from A point of view, but in order to compare and conclude that A≠S, there must be a common basis that enables the comparison. So, the researchable is at least a unified isolation, represented as:

OP.jpg




SA.jpg


A particular value is defined only by NXOR(unification)\XOR(isolation) relation.

Since any particular value is at least NXOR\XOR relation, then any number is a particular path along the symmetric ur-element real-line.

For example:

base-frac.jpg


In this case 0.01[base 2] is a particular path and 0.25[base 2] is another particular path.

By the traditional point of view a particular value (a number) is only the particular case of zenith-path along the symmetric ur-element real-line.

Because of this arbitrary limitation the non-zenith path 0.111...[base 2] is equal to the non-zenith path
0.222...[base 3] and both of them are defined as some representations of the zenith-path 1.000...

But when path is a general concept, then 0.111...[base 2] < 0.222...[base 3] < 1.000... as can be clearly seen in:

base2_3.jpg
 
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Get it published and reviewed by the mathematical community, stop arguing about it here.

I see you get owned over and over again in these threads, and you just can't seem to grasp that you are working with made up concepts and changing the definitions of standard terminology.

Get it published and prove everyone wrong, or put a lid on it.

Seriously.
 
My mathematical framework is a complementation between VSL and ASL, where Mathematics of the past 2500 years is mostly based on ASL.

Here is a compression between ASL and VSL, based on Dr. Linda Kreger Silverman's research (please look at the difference between what is called Visual Special Learning and Auditory Sequential Learning ( http://www.visualspatial.org/Articles/intro.pdf , http://www.visualspatial.org/Articles/idvsls.pdf ). ):

This is where your post starts to stray. You go from talking about representations of numbers and jump to methods of learning, without any lead-up or explanation on how these two things are related.

Things are changed if Symmetry is used as the universal principle of logic.

Let a 2-valued framework be represented by A B.

A B relation is:

A B
A A
A B
B A
B B

I'm not sure what you're saying here. You listed all the permutations of {A, B}, but you didn't actually provide a relation ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relation_(mathematics) ).

I have no idea what you're saying after this point. You need to seriously clear up your writing or everyone is going to ignore it as gibberish word salad (which it currently IS).
 
For example: in order to represent number five in base ten we need a single symbol, which is "5", but in order to represent number five in base three we need at least three symbols "101".

why not just '11'? as in 1, 2, 3, 10, 11
 
This is where your post starts to stray. You go from talking about representations of numbers and jump to methods of learning, without any lead-up or explanation on how these two things are related.

The frist part is the standard ASL point of view of Value.

Thr second part is the VSL\ASL point of view of Value.


I'm not sure what you're saying here. You listed all the permutations of {A, B}, but you didn't actually provide a relation ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relation_(mathematics) ).

I have no idea what you're saying after this point. You need to seriously clear up your writing or everyone is going to ignore it as gibberish word salad (which it currently IS).
I am talking about the foundations of Logic itsef, which is based on Symmetry\Asymmetry complementation.

Please read http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/NXOR-XOR.pdf for more details.
 
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Get it published and reviewed by the mathematical community, stop arguing about it here.

I see you get owned over and over again in these threads, and you just can't seem to grasp that you are working with made up concepts and changing the definitions of standard terminology.

Get it published and prove everyone wrong, or put a lid on it.

Seriously.

The mathematical community is made of ASL-only persons. I can't air my view there.
 
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Things are changed if Symmetry is used as the universal principle of logic.

Let a 2-valued framework be represented by A B.

A B relation is:

A B
A A
A B
B A
B B
I still maintain that the first step is making your material understandable. Not understandable to you, understandable to us. So let's see what I can see. I'll tell you my thoughts as I read through it, and stop once (if) I have too many questions.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 2-valued framework. I'll assume for now you mean a set of two symbols with which you're going to do [something]. Now we're going to say without loss of generality that the symbols are "A" and "B".

"A B relation is:" does not tell me much. I know in standard set theory a relation R between two sets S and T is a set of ordered pairs where in each pair the first element comes from S and the second from T. The subsequent table appears to have all possible pairs (a,b) where a \in {A,B} and b \in {A,B}. This is one (set theory) relation from {A,B} to {A,B}, in fact the largest. But I'm guessing you mean something different because the table's heading,
A B
does not make much sense in this context. If I'm interpreting you right it should instead be
{A,B} {A,B}
Or possibly you're using relation here to mean only (set theory) relations from a set to itself. Unclear.

These relations can be reduced (without a loss of generality) to
symmetric (AA or BB) \ asymmetric (AB or BA) relations, represented as:

AB
XX is AB symmetry --> A=B (AB is the same)
XY is AB asymmetry --> A≠B (AB is not the same)
Hm. Previously we had one relation, I thought, given in the table. Now you refer to it (them?) as "relations", plural. Not sure what's going on here. Moving on, we have two new terms, "symmetric" and "asymmetric", also undefined. And I haven't figured out how to define them yet, mostly due to not knowing what you mean by "relation" and "relations". Let's start there, shall we?
 
For example: in order to represent number five in base ten we need a single symbol, which is "5", but in order to represent number five in base three we need at least three symbols "101".

You expect anyone to pay attention to you when you make incredible basic mistakes like that?
 
Typical ASList attack!

P.S. I think you mean 12. 0, 1, 2, 10, 11, 12.

arg, yes that is what I meant. Except I would get to it like this 1, 2, 3, 11, 12. Am I correct is assuming that zero would be counted as a digit in the count that you used above? wouldn't that be a base 4? If you use zero in a base 3 system i would think that it would go like this 0, 1, 2, 10, 11, 11 being five.

I guess I could go back and edit my post then claim that it's what I said in the first place.....
 
oh jeez, i'm retarded. my example of 0, 1, 2, 10, 11, is of course wrong. What i was getting at is that in a base three i think you can only have 3 different symbols, is this correct?

ETA: You did only use 3 symbols! Hooray! I just explained away my own confusion!
 
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base-two has two basic symbols "0","1". Base-three has three basic symbols "0","1","2". Base-n has n basic symbols, ... etc.)

For example: in order to represent number five in base ten we need a single symbol, which is "5", but in order to represent number five in base three we need at least three symbols "101".

WRONG.

The number 5, in base 3 notation, is 12.

The 101 base 3 is actually 10 base 10.

I stopped reading your message at that point, because it is clear you don't even understand the basic concepts you are building on.
 
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People! Geez, come on! If doronshadmi is wrong, fine, but not liking him is no call to take a simple mistake of thinking "base two" and writing "base three" and turning it into "oh you must have absolutely no idea what you're talking about". What, does Third Eye Open have no idea what he's talking about either because he mistyped?
 
The mathematical community is made of ASL-only persons. I can't air my view there.

I'm in the mathematical community and not only am I more heavily on the VSL side, but considering how many proofs I do that rely on mathematical reasoning and how little computation I have to do, I'd bet the entire damn department at UCLA is more VSL than ASL.

You know what does my computation most of the time? MAPLE. But then cryptography asks me to demonstrate my understanding of the methods by applying them.

Through Maple. I'm not taking 100 digit numbers to 100 digit powers mod another 100 digit number by hand.

I am proving certain propositions on exams and homeworks, however, and that requires mathematical reasoning.

All mathematicians do this training and the professionals spend their life doing mostly mathematical reasoning on theorems, propositions, and algorithms.

So...

Oh yes, just like BAGO, you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
WRONG.

The number 5, in base 3 notation, is 12.

The 101 base 3 is actually 10 base 10.

I stopped reading your message at that point, because it is clear you don't even understand the basic concepts you are building on.
Please hold your horses, it is just a typo mistake "101" is five in octal representation of base two.

People! Geez, come on! If doronshadmi is wrong, fine, but not liking him is no call to take a simple mistake of thinking "base two" and writing "base three" and turning it into "oh you must have absolutely no idea what you're talking about". What, does Third Eye Open have no idea what he's talking about either because he mistyped?

I suggest you to listen to GreedyAlgorithm. We are here in order to re-examine fundamental mathematical ideas and I expect from anyone how enables to do it, to distinguish between typos and the very essence of this kind of dialog.

I do not expect that my point of view will be fully understandable by people that are trained by the traditional point of view of these fundamental concepts, but I will and do my best in order to air my non-traditional point of view of these subjects.

I think that a real dialog can enrich each real participator of it, and I hope that this time the moderator will not move this thread to the Philosophy\Religious forum just because a non-orthodoxy point of view is expressed here.
 
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The mathematical community is made of ASL-only persons. I can't air my view there.

Doronshadmi, that is unfair to the math community. After all, geometry (even multi-dimensional geometry is within their scope, and I don't notice that it is slighted. Calculus relies on visual models as a teaching tool, even if not needed in rigorous expansion. If there is any community which should be able to analyze a visual abstract approach I would assume it would be math. An unconventional approach which enlightens would be certainly considered there. The key is having the work be impeccable, and yet having a new, refreshing way to do the computations and proofs.

Contact someone in your local community who is a math teacher and simultaneously tutors the GT individuals, and get him to vet your work. He should be able to get you a fair hearing, and will be invaluable in your development. I happen to know Dr. Silverman and her work, she might be a resource for you as well if you don't already know her. She is (or was, at least), affiliated with the University of Denver, and likely knows math people who have the orientation you seek.

Lastly, take seriously the words of the people who have criticized you here. Some of them are excellent people, and are at least partially a cross-section of the kind you will meet in academia as you advance your work.

Good luck.
 
We are here in order to re-examine fundamental mathematical ideas
...
I do not expect that my point of view will be fully understandable by people that are trained by the traditional point of view of these fundamental concepts, but I will and do my best in order to air my non-traditional point of view of these subjects.

I am here because your writing is (to me) quite obviously not communicative, but also quite obviously based on ideas you have that are far more coherent than what is underneath the typical "no one understands my math" posts. I'd like to see if I can get past the communication issue to understand your ideas.

If indeed they are as I suspect at least somewhat coherent then I do expect that your point of view will be fully understandable by people that are trained in the traditional point of view. And if I can break that initial communication barrier I claim I can do a much better job communicating your ideas than you can, doronshadmi.

Either that or I will end up concluding that a) there is no coherent or nearly-coherent underlying idea, or b) you will not be able to communicate it to anyone.
 
doronshadmi, I've been following a couple of the threads you started and I too must say that I'm at a loss what you want to tell here.

You start with a basic exposé about representations of numbers, then you have an interlude about ASL vs. VSL, and then you write something about logic: first some basic truth tables, and then you mention 3-valued logic. That doesn't seem to mean in your world what's commonly meant with a 3-valued logic (having a third value with the intuitive notion of "maybe", or of "don't know"). You're also fond of the word "symmetry", without saying what you mean with that. You end your OP with some graphs which don't make sense tot me either.

On the whole, I don't see what the various parts of the post have to do with each other. Down to the sentence level, I see a lot of sentences with English words, with English grammar, but which are gibberish to me.

If you have to really say something interesting, you're doing so very very poorly. Take the advice of the various people who've tried to say that to you, or you'll simply remain the ridicule of the other posters.
 
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O.M.G. I'm glad I wasn't drinking my coffee when I found this.

Doron, if the math community is so stuck on ASL, why are we all using visual symbols and not auditory ones? Why do we have these concepts of number line and complex plane? If it was auditory, wouldn't we have pitch and phase?

Anyway, you had a nice discussion about the distinction between representation and value, but I fail to see the relevance of that to the later pieces of the OP.
 
Before we continue the dialog, let us try to define some common basis:

My framework first of all distinguishes between the researchable and the non-researchable.

Since this distinguishesability is fundamental to my framework, let us not talk about anything else before we have an agreement of it.

The idea is this:

I have found that the non-researchable is not examined, before we deduce some context dependent researchable mathematical\logical framework.

I think that by ignoring the non-researchable, we actually do not have a common basis for the mathematical science, and as a result we get context dependent frameworks that are disconnected from each other.

One may say that this is exactly the flexibility and diversity of an interesting mathematical science, that enables independent branches to be developed independently of each other, where each branch is an interesting mathematical\logical universe of its own (a context dependent one).

For example, words like "line" or "point" have different formal meanings in different contexts, and this flexibility is achieved exactly because "line" or "point" are undefined, unless they are addressed (defined) by the axioms of some context dependent framework.

Question: Can we keep this flexibility and also provide a common basis to the mathematical science?

If it can be done, then each independent branch can be used aloso as a fertilizer of any other branch, and as a result we are increasing our abilities to understand some formal framework from many other points of view that may enrich our abilities to develop each branch in many new unexpected rigorous ways.

This is fundamental for any Evolutionary non-trivial framework.

I have found that any non-researchable thing must be Total or Complete, for example:

An atom is a total thing because it is the basis of anything else and nothing is its basis.

There are at least two atomic states that are not based on each other (they are atomic):

A. Total symmetry:

At total symmetry we have sameness and nothing accept sameness can be found. This state is not researchable because a researchable thing is at least a connection between two things. Total symmetry is too strong for being researchable.

B. Total asymmetry:

At total asymmetry we have isolation and nothing accept isolation can be found. This state is not researchable because a researchable thing is at least a connection between two things. Total asymmetry is too weak for being researchable.


The elementary two things are the strongest (total symmetry) and the weakest (total asymmetry).

If associated with each other, we get a researchable framework, which is weaker than the strongest (the total and non-researchable connection) and stronger then the weakest (the total and non-researchable isolation).

In other words, no matter if ASL or VSL or both of them are used, the researchable cannot be total (complete).

In that case cardinality, for example, must be incomplete in order to be researchable.

In general, the term "for all …" and the researchable is a contradiction.

If this fundamental contradiction is understood, we can continue our dialog.
 
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I have found that the non-researchable is not examined, before we deduce some context dependent researchable mathematical\logical framework.

Please define what you mean by non-researchable. I would have thought that BY DEFINITION it is not possible to examine the non-researchable.

An atom is a total thing because it is the basis of anything else and nothing is its basis.

Do you mean 'atom' in the original greek sense of 'fundamental building block'?

At total symmetry we have sameness and nothing accept sameness can be found. This state is not researchable because a researchable thing is at least a connection between two things. Total symmetry is too strong for being researchable.

B. Total asymmetry:

At total asymmetry we have isolation and nothing accept isolation can be found. This state is not researchable because a researchable thing is at least a connection between two things. Total asymmetry is too weak for being researchable.

Please give an actual concrete example of this.
 
In that case cardinality, for example, must be incomplete in order to be researchable.

Ah, herein is the toll that must be paid by Mathematics for it to enter your new paradigm. This is your procrustean way of eliminating the paradoxes of the infinte. And what you must take to the axe includes summation to limits and convergence at infinity.
It's a heavy toll and a heavy axe, as far as mathematicians are concerned.
You might want to investigate how mathematics and the Philosophy of Mathematics address the paradoxes of the infinte and arrive at the synthesis that is mordern mathematics.
 
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Ah, herein is the toll that must be paid by Mathematics for it to enter your new paradigm. This is your procrustean way of eliminating the paradoxes of the infinte. And what you must take to the axe includes summation to limits and convergence at infinity.
It's a heavy toll and a heavy axe, as far as mathematicians are concerned.
You might want to investigate how mathematics and the Philosophy of Mathematics address the paradoxes of the infinte and arrive at the synthesis that is mordern mathematics.
Modern Mathematics ignores the non-researchable (but uses it as its hidden assumption, because the non-researchable is the basis of the researchable but not vice versa). As a result there are paradoxes that are naturally and simply solved at the moment that the non-researchable is not a hidden-assumption anymore.

Please this time try to understand my post by ask some detailed questions.

Thank you.
 
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I am here because your writing is (to me) quite obviously not communicative, but also quite obviously based on ideas you have that are far more coherent than what is underneath the typical "no one understands my math" posts. I'd like to see if I can get past the communication issue to understand your ideas.

You're serious, aren't you?

Wow.

I suppose most people have not had the experience I have had with physics crackpots. There is a syndrome common enough to be classified as a (minor, mostly harmless) mental illness, in which someone is convinced they understand some deep fact about the universe. They are certain they are correct and that everyone else is wrong, and they believe the establishment is suppressing their ideas (either because it is afraid of them, or refuses to pay attention, or for some darker reason).

This crops up in varying degrees across a whole spectrum of people, from formerly good physicists gone a little nutty to taxi drivers to wealthy businesspeople to homeless guys on the street. I would say roughly once a week I get such an email from someone - over the years I've gotten maybe a hundred such emails, letters, self-published books, etc., and seen many more on the internet. After a while I started to appreciate them for their comedic value, but I also started to recognize the common factors they all share.

doronshadmi's posts are not fully typical of this pattern, but they have many of the common red flags. S/he is working in isolation, believes eveyone in the mainstream is wrong, believes s/he has discovered something new and fundamental, believes hir ideas are being suppressed and/or willfully ignored, displays a near total ignorance of the basics of the subject s/he's attacking (read the other threads), changes hir position often without acknowledging it when confronted with contradictions, etc.

So be very careful before you assign any weight to this - s/he is probably a slightly confused person with a knack for mystic writing.
 
Please define what you mean by non-researchable. I would have thought that BY DEFINITION it is not possible to examine the non-researchable.
All we can say that an atom is not researchable at its self state, but anything that it is a result of associations between atoms, is researchable.
Do you mean 'atom' in the original Greek sense of 'fundamental building block'?
Atom is "that has no parts".

That has not parts is non-researchable at its self state.
Please give an actual concrete example of this.
Anything without you is not an actual concrete of an atom, because you are
using your thoughts, which are not atoms, in order to understand an atom.

The only way to get the atomic state is to be aware of the source of your thoughts, which is itself not a thought.

Any attempt to get the atomic state as a researchable thing does not hold, because any researchable thing is a non-atomic state but the result of interaction between atomic states.

So Nathan, you have no choice but to be aware of the atomic basis of your own mind in order to get a concrete example of the atomic state.

There is no Mysticism (mysticism is some opinion of feeling about the atomic state and formal system is some rigorous expression of thoughts, but any thought is machanically more complex than the atomic state, no matter what meaning it has) here, but a simple and direct way to get a concrete example of the atomic state.
 
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You're serious, aren't you?

Wow.

I suppose most people have not had the experience I have had with physics crackpots. There is a syndrome common enough to be classified as a (minor, mostly harmless) mental illness, in which someone is convinced they understand some deep fact about the universe. They are certain they are correct and that everyone else is wrong, and they believe the establishment is suppressing their ideas (either because it is afraid of them, or refuses to pay attention, or for some darker reason).

This crops up in varying degrees across a whole spectrum of people, from formerly good physicists gone a little nutty to taxi drivers to wealthy businesspeople to homeless guys on the street. I would say roughly once a week I get such an email from someone - over the years I've gotten maybe a hundred such emails, letters, self-published books, etc., and seen many more on the internet. After a while I started to appreciate them for their comedic value, but I also started to recognize the common factors they all share.

doronshadmi's posts are not fully typical of this pattern, but they have many of the common red flags. S/he is working in isolation, believes eveyone in the mainstream is wrong, believes s/he has discovered something new and fundamental, believes hir ideas are being suppressed and/or willfully ignored, displays a near total ignorance of the basics of the subject s/he's attacking (read the other threads), changes hir position often without acknowledging it when confronted with contradictions, etc.

So be very careful before you assign any weight to this - s/he is probably a slightly confused person with a knack for mystic writing.
Good work sol invictus. You did everything accepct one little (and non-importent) thing.

You did not reply to the content of this thread.
 
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Sorry Doron. I should let this thread take its natural course.
 
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Please define what you mean when you say "researchable" or "not researchable". What does it mean for some thing 'A' to be not researchable?
 
All we can say that an atom is not researchable at its self state, but anything that it is a result of associations between atoms, is researchable.

Atom is "that has no parts".

That has not parts is non-researchable at its self state.
Wrong-o. A thing that is not subdivisible must still have properties. Those properties are researchable, or the term has no meaning.

Anything without you is not an actual concrete of an atom, because you are using your thoughts, which are not atoms, in order to understand an atom.
Drivel.

The only way to get the atomic state is to be aware of the source of your thoughts, which is itself not a thought.
The source of my thoughts is my brain, which is not a thought. You said something true... Albeit pointless.

Any attempt to get the atomic state as a researchable thing does not hold, because any researchable thing is a non-atomic state but the result of interaction between atomic states.
Drivel.

So Nathan, you have no choice but to be aware of the atomic basis of your own mind in order to get a concrete example of the atomic state.
Mystical drivel.

There is no Mysticism (mysticism is some opinion of feeling about the atomic state and formal system is some rigorous expression of thoughts, but any thought is machanically more complex than the atomic state, no matter what meaning it has) here, but a simple and direct way to get a concrete example of the atomic state.
Drivel with whipped cream and a cherry on top.
 
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Good work sol invictus. You did everything accepct one little (and non-importent) thing.

You did not reply to the content of this thread.

What content? With your follow-up posts, you seem to have gone off the deep end.
 
All we can say that an atom is not researchable at its self state, but anything that it is a result of associations between atoms, is researchable.

Atom is "that has no parts".

ok, that meaning of atom.

That has not parts is non-researchable at its self state.

Anything without you is not an actual concrete of an atom, because you are
using your thoughts, which are not atoms, in order to understand an atom.

Name a specific thing that is an atom in your thesis.

Name a specific thing that is total symmetry in your thesis

Name a specific thing that is total asymmetry in your thesis.
 
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Atom is "that has no parts".

That has not parts is non-researchable at its self state.

Bolding mine.
What does "at its self state" mean? And please define it with examples!

I realy don't see any kind of definition of researchable or non-researchable. You seem to be going in circles and/or offering up definitions that include other non-defined phrases.
 
Please hold your horses, it is just a typo mistake "101" is five in octal representation of base two.


You aren't being completely honest, here, doron.

It may have been a typographic error when you first posted the same nonsense in another forum. Your error was pointed out then. But you aren't about correcting things, are you? You just press on, copying and pasting the same thing to every new place you stumble across, with prior errors still intact.

What's the point, doron, if you can't learn from your own mistakes? It must be difficult being stuck in kindergarten like that.
 
The source of my thoughts is my brain, which is not a thought.

By my framework a thought is some expressed level of the association between non-locality and many local states, which one of its results is your personal brain. So your personal brain and your personal thought are based ob the same principle which is Non-local\Local Association.


Wrong-o. A thing that is not subdivisible must still have properties. Those properties are researchable, or the term has no meaning.
Wrong wrong-o.

Meaning is the result of a particular point of view of something.

An atom at its self state cannot have properties because any property is the result of an association between atoms.

When observed from the researchable point of view, two kinds of atoms are defined which are:

a. The non-local atom (which is non-researchable at its self state).

b. The local atom (which is non-researchable at its self state).


The non-local atom is at least _________

The local atom is at least .

. and ____ are not defined by each other but when associated we get a researchable framework where ____ is the connector of any researchable thing and . is the connected of any researchable thing.

We call ___ a line and . a point and Hilbert made a fundamental mistake by define ___ in terms of .

This mistake also exists in the model called "the real-line" where ___ (the continuum) is defined in terms of . (the discrete).

This mistake can be defined in the membership concept where {__}__ is defined in terms of {.}

This mistake exists in the basis of Logic where Symmetry (NXOR) does not complement Asymmetry (XOR) as the universal principle of Logic.

Now let us see your VSL ability to get it, because no ASL string of symbols is needed here to immediately understand that ____ cannot be defined by any amount of . and vice versa.

If you claim that it must be addressed by ASL representation, then you actually say that your notions are limited to some particular representation, or in other words, your framework is closed under a particular representation, which is defiantly not the value itself, which is naturally independent of any particular representation.

Also be aware that ___ or . are not geometric elements here and they are used here as abstract values that are not defined by each other.

If you get that, then and only then we can continue this dialog.
 
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The non-local atom is at least _________

The local atom is at least .

. and ____ are not defined by each other but when associated we get a researchable framework where ____ is the connector of any researchable thing and . is the connected of any researchable thing.

So, is there exactly one 'non-local atom' and exactly one 'local atom'? (you're using 'The {non-,}local atom')

Are points and line segments atoms?

What do you mean by 'at least'? What else are these atoms?

Please give explicit examples of these things, be they oranges, rocks, the number 3, the glyph 3, mathemetical constructs, thoughts about ice cream, whatever.
 
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Hi

Where I'm from, "octal," means base 8, and is often used as a shorthand for 16-bit machines (like the PDP series of DEC machines) because you get 5 octal digits, each digit representing 3 binary digits, (octal 5 = binary 101), and then the "sign," bit on the left, so:
octal 077777 = decimal 32767
octal 177777 = decimal -1 (two's compliment) or -32767 (one's compliment)

So, I think that 101 as octal representation would be 65, right?
 

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