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Old 23rd June 2008, 10:08 AM   #1
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Arrow Barry Jennings Says There Were Dead People in WTC 7!!!!

Alex Jones announced that he had big news about 9/11 on Sundays show, and this is it. Barry Jennings, an emergency coordinator in NY, reported that he was trapped in the WTC7 for a few hours on 9/11. He claims, as firemen lead him through the pitch black lobby, that he was stepping over dead bodies (more accurately, what he thought were dead bodies). Jennings interview would be proof that people did, in fact, die in WTC 7. This would contradict the official version in the 9/11 Commission Report, and as Bermas puts it "completely evicerate the governments lie."

Link to Jennings interview here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKH...rs.com/?p=2807

Bermas and Jones, apparently, have been sitting on this one for a year, and are only bringing it out to quote "combat the BBC hit piece on 9/11 truthers."
I'm sure this is a quote-mined piece of work, but check it out and see what you think.
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Old 23rd June 2008, 10:13 AM   #2
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I call because the firemen would absolutely not have been silent. And I don't think Jennings would have been silent, either.
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7 years after the fact; after numerous reports and numerous media coverage, only now, he comes forward to state this? And what about those family members and relatives of these alleged dead bodies in WTC7? wouldn't they have noticed that their loved one is missing for 7 years?
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Wait, after WTC 1 collapsed into 7, Barry thought he was stepping over dead bodies?

Well, that couldn't be the triage center. But it could be dead bodies of victims of the collapse pushed or thrown into the lobby by the collapse.

Were there any victims recovered from 7 World Trade?
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Yes, but this is BIG news!! Don't you see.......it proves, that um..... that 9/11 was an inside job!
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Old 23rd June 2008, 10:34 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by DaN K. StAnLeY View Post
Alex Jones announced that he had big news about 9/11 on Sundays show, and this is it. Barry Jennings, an emergency coordinator in NY, reported that he was trapped in the WTC7 for a few hours on 9/11. He claims, as firemen lead him through the pitch black lobby, that he was stepping over dead bodies (more accurately, what he thought were dead bodies). Jennings interview would be proof that people did, in fact, die in WTC 7. This would contradict the official version in the 9/11 Commission Report, and as Bermas puts it "completely evicerate the governments lie."

Link to Jennings interview here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKH...rs.com/?p=2807

Bermas and Jones, apparently, have been sitting on this one for a year, and are only bringing it out to quote "combat the BBC hit piece on 9/11 truthers."
I'm sure this is a quote-mined piece of work, but check it out and see what you think.
They have got to get beyond the "talking heads" approach if they want to get youtubers.
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Old 23rd June 2008, 10:45 AM   #7
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Was the lobby of WTC 7 used as a triage center?
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Old 23rd June 2008, 10:50 AM   #8
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Was the lobby of WTC 7 used as a triage center?
Yes, it was. But I believe it got the word to evacuate in enough time to do so.
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What could have been the cause of the explosions that Jennings is talking about? He said they occured before either collapse. Any ideas?
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Was the lobby of WTC 7 used as a triage center?
Yes, but it was evacuated as unsafe after the collapse of the South Tower.
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Old 23rd June 2008, 10:56 AM   #11
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What could have been the cause of the explosions that Jennings is talking about? He said they occured before either collapse. Any ideas?
It's the North Tower collapse. His memory is wrong.
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Old 23rd June 2008, 10:56 AM   #12
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Yes, it was. But I believe it got the word to evacuate in enough time to do so.
Do you have a link? I am debating a Truther about this on another site.
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What could have been the cause of the explosions that Jennings is talking about? He said they occured before either collapse. Any ideas?
You honestly have no idea what in a building with an unfought fire can sound like or be an actual explosion? Watch this video and then tell me what caused the explosion we hear that wasn't in a building with an unfought fire. Then explain why that couldn't happen or a similar event couldn't happen during a building fire...

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Old 23rd June 2008, 11:10 AM   #14
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There is absolutely nothing new here. They went out with this 1 year ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NttM3oUrNmE

They did not play the part of the interview where Barry Jennings talked about the dead bodies. But Alex Jones described that part of the interview just after 3:15 in the video.

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Old 23rd June 2008, 11:16 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by tj15 View Post
Do you have a link? I am debating a Truther about this on another site.
Yes, but they're not going to like it:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...67#post2703667

That link's to the thread where Jennings was busted so badly as the super sekrit witness in Final Cut that he didn't even appear in the film in the end.

The link from there is to the NIST final report, NCSTAR1-8, pages 109-110. There's also a graphic copied from the text of the report with the information highlighted. Barry's account is incorporated into the text from then on. What he thought was an internal explosion was actually WTC1 hitting 7.

Another thing. Barry says that when he finally exited the building, he saw both towers were down. 1 definitely hit 7, but he has no narrative about 7 being hit by 1 whatsoever if his "explosion" story is not about that.
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Old 23rd June 2008, 11:18 AM   #16
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wait for the announcement. You know, as usual, it will a big bunch of crap, or speculation, or "possibilities".

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Jason Bermas has released part of the Jennings interview that was meant for Final Cut but now is going to be in Bermas' new CT flick:

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That's what all of this is about.

Barry says that he "had to be" on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit. That means he's saying that he was in the deserted OEM around 9:00.

When it was actually around 10:00.

It's another freaking Mineta.
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Bermas, tired of being under Dylan's shadow, decides to break free and release his own solo album.

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It's called...

















wait for it...

















"Fabled Enemies."



I'm going to start a new thread about this one. No need to derail.

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Old 23rd June 2008, 12:00 PM   #20
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http://www.balad.afnews.af.mil/news/...p?id=123086944

A Truther that I am debating posted this link to show that the triage center was not located in WTC 7. I need a link that proves that there was a triage center in the lobby of WTC 7 (something other than the link to NIST). Thanks in advance.
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There were triage centers all over.
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Jason Bermas has released part of the Jennings interview that was meant for Final Cut but now is going to be in Bermas' new CT flick:

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That's what all of this is about.

Barry says that he "had to be" on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit. That means he's saying that he was in the deserted OEM around 9:00.

When it was actually around 10:00.

It's another freaking Mineta.
So the same guy that told the LTW not to release his interview gave Jason permission to release his interview? If not, I seriously predict the untimely demise to AJ's production company and his radio show and a possible jail term for Bermass****.
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Originally Posted by tj15 View Post
http://www.balad.afnews.af.mil/news/...p?id=123086944

A Truther that I am debating posted this link to show that the triage center was not located in WTC 7. I need a link that proves that there was a triage center in the lobby of WTC 7 (something other than the link to NIST). Thanks in advance.
Could you link us, to this debate you are having elsewhere? Would love to observe it.
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Originally Posted by tj15 View Post
http://www.balad.afnews.af.mil/news/...p?id=123086944

A Truther that I am debating posted this link to show that the triage center was not located in WTC 7. I need a link that proves that there was a triage center in the lobby of WTC 7 (something other than the link to NIST). Thanks in advance.
http://ajr.org/article.asp?id=2381

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The police directed us to another triage site, this one in the outdoor plaza of the Salomon Smith Barney building at Greenwich and North Moore streets. Stretchers for casualties were lined up beneath hand-written signs — critical, noncritical, morgue — taped on the building's marble pillars.
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Oh, Bermas takes care of that lawsuit. Right at the end, he flashes a part of the interview where Jennings says "Yes, you can use this footage."

Done and done.
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Oh, Bermas takes care of that lawsuit. Right at the end, he flashes a part of the interview where Jennings says "Yes, you can use this footage."

Done and done.
Really?!...unless that is brand new footage then why wasn't that enough to allow Dylan to include the footage in LCFC? Methinks Bermass is being led to the slaughter by AJ. Besides, am I the only one who noticed the blatent cuts during the interview?
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So the same guy that told the LTW not to release his interview gave Jason permission to release his interview? If not, I seriously predict the untimely demise to AJ's production company and his radio show and a possible jail term for Bermass****.
The last bit on the tape is Jennings giving them permission to use the tape, so that's out. This is one of those times that the Terror Timeline actually gets it right:

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However, firefighters find three individuals who have become trapped inside it. Among them are Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Mike Hess, New York’s chief lawyer who is also a longtime friend of Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The two had gone up to the 23rd floor headquarters of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management some time before 10 a.m., but found it empty. (It was evacuated at 9:30 a.m.; see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001.) They headed downstairs but became trapped around the sixth floor by smoke and debris that filled the staircase as a result of the North Tower collapsing at 10:28 a.m.
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I'm amazed that people who buy into PP's garbage aren't bothered by the fact that Alex Jones et al feel entitled enough to release allegedly irrefutable evidence proving government complicity on 9/11 in little morsels. Particularly at times when they've got a new video to hawk.
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The last bit on the tape is Jennings giving them permission to use the tape, so that's out. This is one of those times that the Terror Timeline actually gets it right:
Maybe you can answer the question I asked. Unless that last bit is new footage, why was that enough to keep the footage out of LCFC? If that last bit is new footage, does it include the original interview or is it just giving permission to use the new footage? In either case, am I the only one to notice the blatant cuts or in the words of Ace Baker...why are there fades to black?
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Different Salomon Brothers building. Greenwich and North Moore is about 1/2 mile north of the WTC site. Great article, though, note the comment from the reporter about WTC-7:

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Our convoy ground to a halt as a medic peering out the window said, "It's fire. A building's fully engaged."

Someone opened the doors. I climbed over a stretcher, shearing my jeans at the knees. There was another skyscraper, completely aflame: building seven of the World Trade Center complex.
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Maybe you can answer the question I asked. Unless that last bit is new footage, why was that enough to keep the footage out of LCFC? If that last bit is new footage, does it include the original interview or is it just giving permission to use the new footage? In either case, am I the only one to notice the blatant cuts or in the words of Ace Baker...why are there fades to black?
Dylan may have decided not to use the footage as a kindness. He may have decided that even with the permission (and I suspect they got a release form), that it wasn't worth dealing with a lawsuit.

Yes, I noticed the cuts, and the fades to black. In some respects this may be legitimate; no documentary features the entire interview with every supposed witness; the director decides which snippets to use. But yes, it's also a tad suspicious.
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Dylan may have decided not to use the footage as a kindness. He may have decided that even with the permission (and I suspect they got a release form), that it wasn't worth dealing with a lawsuit.

Yes, I noticed the cuts, and the fades to black. In some respects this may be legitimate; no documentary features the entire interview with every supposed witness; the director decides which snippets to use. But yes, it's also a tad suspicious.
So it could lead to a lawsuit if Dylan used the footage but not if Bermas uses it? That seems odd doesn't it?
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Do you have a link? I am debating a Truther about this on another site.
As usual, the transcripts are your friend.

EMT Thomas J. Bendick

"Got to 7 World Trade Center. I saw another EMS triage location with Captain Nahmod and Chief Peruggia were treating patients..."

EMS Division Chief John Peruggia:

"As we were having discussions in the lobby (of WTC 7) as to what to do with OEM, a number of people came in the lobby as patients. Captain Nahmod and EMT Zarrillo started to look at them, put them off to the side and talk to them."

Later, Peruggia orders the triage efforts to be moved:

"I directed Captain Nahmod to move the patients into that area (a protected loading dock area). Again, the lobby of number 7 is all glass facade. I was concerned that if something should come off the building, go through the glass or hit the glass, we would have an extraordinary amount of patients in addition to what was already being seen."

After the collapse of the South Tower, Peruggia orders them out:

"We had face to face contact with Chief Maggio and Captain Nahmod. They told me--I said, do what ever you need to do, get these people out of here. Go, go towards the water."

Peruggia's statement is one that you should have bookmarked by now. It's endlessly useful for debunking WTC-7 loons.
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So it could lead to a lawsuit if Dylan used the footage but not if Bermas uses it? That seems odd doesn't it?
That's not what I meant. Either way it could lead to a lawsuit, but Dylan may have been less willing to take that risk than Jason is. Dylan was way behind schedule on Final Cut as it was, and may have worried that any lawsuit would delay the release further, whereas Jason may be willing to take that particular chance. Dylan may have still though he was going to get rich via Final Cut, and so was less willing to put his assets on the line. He may even have recognized that Jennings' testimony was simply too easily debunked (although he touted it when he first got the footage).
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That's not what I meant. Either way it could lead to a lawsuit, but Dylan may have been less willing to take that risk than Jason is. Dylan was way behind schedule on Final Cut as it was, and may have worried that any lawsuit would delay the release further, whereas Jason may be willing to take that particular chance. Dylan may have still though he was going to get rich via Final Cut, and so was less willing to put his assets on the line. He may even have recognized that Jennings' testimony was simply too easily debunked (although he touted it when he first got the footage).
So Dylan (the frail little guy) overruled big fat Jason and the deadly trained Army deserter Korey not to mention his "executive producer" the fat and unlovable Alex Jones so that as soon as Dylan ran to San Diego with his tail between his legs those three can use the footage since they don't expect to be getting rich? Let me introduce you to our friend Occam and his razor
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um..the dead people were casualties from outside wtc 7. duhhhh!!!!
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So where the remains of these bombs in the WTC7 debris?
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Originally Posted by parky76 View Post
um..the dead people were casualties from outside wtc 7. duhhhh!!!!
No. There were no dead people in WTC 7. Peruggia went back and checked prior to the collapse of the North Tower. In fact, one of the main reasons they cleared the WTC 7 part of the site so quickly was that they knew they didn't have to recover bodies from there.
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Old 23rd June 2008, 04:06 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by ~enigma~ View Post
You honestly have no idea what in a building with an unfought fire can sound like or be an actual explosion? Watch this video and then tell me what caused the explosion we hear that wasn't in a building with an unfought fire. Then explain why that couldn't happen or a similar event couldn't happen during a building fire...

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You did not read my question. It's okay, Brainster did and answered it.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It's the North Tower collapse. His memory is wrong.
This could also be why he described his surroundings as "pitch black" I assume. It would be pretty hard to black out an entire building in daylight, even if the power was out.
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