Thomas Edison "The Ghost Machine"

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Edison quoted that he didn't know if our personalities passed into another existence. He quoted "No one knows" However Edison claimed that it was possible to construct a device, so delicate that if there were personalities who wish to get in touch with us in this existence, it would give them a better opportunity to express themselves. I believe Edison's claim was true. The spirits that have broken through to me (with equipment in it's infant-stage) are requesting such a device be made. I am currently filling up a web page full of evidence, and searching for people who are not afraid to give a more "hands on" approach, to get the ball rolling, and get the truth out there.
 
Good luck with that. My aura senses some fun encounters in your near future.:):)
 
fuelair said:
Good luck with that. My aura senses some fun encounters in your near future.:):)
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Thanks, I think the worse is over, just looking for brave folk for "hands on" The spirits are talking like us, so are not too difficult to understand. But they speak in unison, so its difficult to untangle a lot of it, but their info is incredible :jaw-dropp
 
flaccon said:
Edison quoted that he didn't know if our personalities passed into another existence. He quoted "No one knows" However Edison claimed that it was possible to construct a device, so delicate that if there were personalities who wish to get in touch with us in this existence, it would give them a better opportunity to express themselves. I believe Edison's claim was true. The spirits that have broken through to me (with equipment in it's infant-stage) are requesting such a device be made. I am currently filling up a web page full of evidence, and searching for people who are not afraid to give a more "hands on" approach, to get the ball rolling, and get the truth out there.
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Some have also claimed to have had conversations with Edison about this very topic over such a device:

http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/edison/articles2.html

Many people including the creator of the Frank’s Box (Frank Sumption) and Christopher Moon (The proponent of the Telephone to the Dead) both claim to have had conversations with Mr. Edison about the design and even upgrades to the devices that they use.
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Neither of them have won the million dollar challenge, btw.
 
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flaccon said:
Edison quoted that he didn't know if our personalities passed into another existence. He quoted "No one knows" However Edison claimed that it was possible to construct a device, so delicate that if there were personalities who wish to get in touch with us in this existence, it would give them a better opportunity to express themselves. ...snip...
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I don't know if you are correctly summarising Edison or not but the claim made above is logically contradictory.
 
Darat said:
I don't know if you are correctly summarising Edison or not but the claim made above is logically contradictory.
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The actual quote is given in the skeptic's dictionary entry on EVP:

http://www.skepdic.com/evp.html

An interviewer from Scientific American asked Thomas Edison about the possibility of contacting the dead. Edison, a man of no strong religious views, said that nobody knows whether “our personalities pass on to another existence or sphere” but

it is possible to construct an apparatus which will be so delicate that if there are personalities in another existence or sphere who wish to get in touch with us in this existence or sphere, this apparatus will at least give them a better opportunity to express themselves than the tilting tables and raps and ouija boards and mediums and the other crude methods now purported to be the only means of communication. (Clark 1997: 235)
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There is no evidence, however, that Edison ever designed or tried to construct such a device. And he probably did not foresee spirits communicating with our tape recorders and television sets.
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As successful an inventor and exploiter of ideas as Thomas Edison was, why should I care about his musings on the paranormal? And while we are at it, could you provide references for Edison's quotes on this?
 
Donn said:
Stick an Oxygen atom on the end of a needle and bounce it off the raw fields of nature. Read the vibrations by reflected light.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/amazing-photo-of-chemical-bonds/

If your spooks can't come through via that device, then ... So far all we've detected are chemical bonds and atomic structures and such. Pedestrian really.
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I think it's "sensitive" as in just at the border of what you can pick out of a whole bunch of noise if you look at it just right, rather than necessarily detecting something very small. The spirits like noisy channels.
 
For the sake of conversation, let's say that you build some kind of device, and you get measurements of a sort that you can completely rule out mundane causes. How do you get from there to ghost? The way I see it, at best, all you can say is, "I have readings I cannot explain."
 
flaccon said:
Edison quoted that he didn't know if our personalities passed into another existence. He quoted "No one knows" However Edison claimed that it was possible to construct a device, so delicate that if there were personalities who wish to get in touch with us in this existence, it would give them a better opportunity to express themselves. I believe Edison's claim was true. The spirits that have broken through to me (with equipment in it's infant-stage) are requesting such a device be made. I am currently filling up a web page full of evidence, and searching for people who are not afraid to give a more "hands on" approach, to get the ball rolling, and get the truth out there.
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Only thing you can say for sure is that if Edison built such a device he probably stole the idea from someone else...
 
Darat said:
I don't know if you are correctly summarising Edison or not but the claim made above is logically contradictory.
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Is it?

Claim 1: No one knows if ghosts exist.
Claim 2: But IF they do, we can build a machine that will give them a better opportunity to express themselves than current methods.

Where's the contradiction?
 
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flaccon said:
Thanks, I think the worse is over, just looking for brave folk for "hands on" The spirits are talking like us, so are not too difficult to understand. But they speak in unison, so its difficult to untangle a lot of it, but their info is incredible :jaw-dropp
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I think most of us here at the JREF forum are brave enough to face the spirits "hands-on".

Bring 'em on! :D
 
Brian-M said:
Is it?

Claim 1: No one knows if ghosts exist.
Claim 2: But IF they do, we can build a machine that will give them a better opportunity to express themselves than current methods.

Where's the contradiction?
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If. The biggest word in the woo language.
 
I once saw a documentary. It had these three scientists who went around catching and trapping ghosts all around Manhattan. It was quite interesting.
 
Elizabeth I said:
Did they try, or are they among the don't-pollute-my-pure-and-ethereal-work-with-filthy-money crowd?
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As far as I can tell, they are supremely confident in their abilities, as long as they don't actually try to test them.
 
Edison didn't have a ghost machine. He had a replicator machine that he stole from David Bowie.
 
Susheel said:
I once saw a documentary. It had these three scientists who went around catching and trapping ghosts all around Manhattan. It was quite interesting.
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Oooh, oooh, I saw this reality show where a team of plumbers traveled all over the US hunting ghosts in a special van. They didn't bring a dog though.
 
I’d bet that at least some of this is a newspaper trying to get more readers.
Plus I would say that TE was suggesting that if ghost were real we could detect them with the proper equipment .
Hint: after all this time they have not
 
Brian-M said:
Is it?

Claim 1: No one knows if ghosts exist.
Claim 2: But IF they do, we can build a machine that will give them a better opportunity to express themselves than current methods.

Where's the contradiction?
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If we don't know what they are (i.e. they are unknown) how can we know if we can detect them or not even in principle?
 
During the 70s, I was part of a Spiritualist group that was trying to build just such a communication device - their mediums were in communication with several scientists and engineers "on the other side" (i.e. dead, very) who were working on the project. They would give us all the details needed to enable us to build a machine.
I was with the group for about six months; in that whole time, although they spent a lot of time talking to us about it, those dead scientists couldn't manage to communicate even the simplest idea for how such a machine might work. As I remember, the head medium put it down to the fact that nobody in the earthly group had any idea about how electronics worked, so obviously they couldn't understand the scientists. :boggled:
 
Darat said:
If we don't know what they are (i.e. they are unknown) how can we know if we can detect them or not even in principle?
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We can't. All we can do is try to give them a better opportunity to communicate with us than existing methods, assuming that they exist and are in some way capable of interacting with anything in a measurable way.
 
Apology said:
Oooh, oooh, I saw this reality show where a team of plumbers traveled all over the US hunting ghosts in a special van. They didn't bring a dog though.
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I believe I saw a group of teenagers attempt to do the same, but I'm pretty sure they did have a dog.

It was a somewhat disappointing series as the ghosts always turned out to be the old caretaker in disguise.
 
After some research it looks like law enforcement might have such a device...
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sophia8 said:
During the 70s, I was part of a Spiritualist group that was trying to build just such a communication device - their mediums were in communication with several scientists and engineers "on the other side" (i.e. dead, very) who were working on the project. They would give us all the details needed to enable us to build a machine.
I was with the group for about six months; in that whole time, although they spent a lot of time talking to us about it, those dead scientists couldn't manage to communicate even the simplest idea for how such a machine might work. As I remember, the head medium put it down to the fact that nobody in the earthly group had any idea about how electronics worked, so obviously they couldn't understand the scientists. :boggled:
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This is a great story. Got any more details? Were there no high school electronics geeks on 'this side' available to lend a hand to those dead scientists and engineers?
 
Nay_Sayer said:
Was that the one featuring a brief comparison of a certain pastry to the relevant echoplasmic activity?
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I believe that pastry is a common occurrence during manifestations from the other side of the veil, especially when using Danish spirit guides.
 
sophia8 said:
During the 70s, I was part of a Spiritualist group that was trying to build just such a communication device - their mediums were in communication with several scientists and engineers "on the other side" (i.e. dead, very) who were working on the project. They would give us all the details needed to enable us to build a machine.
I was with the group for about six months; in that whole time, although they spent a lot of time talking to us about it, those dead scientists couldn't manage to communicate even the simplest idea for how such a machine might work. As I remember, the head medium put it down to the fact that nobody in the earthly group had any idea about how electronics worked, so obviously they couldn't understand the scientists. :boggled:
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Shame that they hadn't heard of ghost particles.
 
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