Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part II

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The only """positive""" thing these days is Clinton being about 8% ahead Trump in national polls. I think that, stultitia paribus, that difference is bound to grow as democrats voters will flock driven by the fear a person like Trump may win, some yet to come to a decision will do the same, and many good republicans won't vote as they'll feel they can't support either candidate. A 56-58%/42-44% scenario is what I see and only 120-125 million voters. The feeling that Trump is already aware of that and planning doing something to try and tip the scales is what worries me.

As you see, I'm already giving Trump as the unavoidable winner of the Republican primaries. But I would be delighted to be wrong about this. Please, convince me by rational means I'm wrong about this.
My son who is pretty conservative has said he would never vote for Trump or Hillary Clinton.

Personally I am a little afraid of Trump and I believe Hillary Clinton is one of the biggest phonies I have seen in an election. Don't know what I would do in that possible election.

This is Part II. Part I is here
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My son who is pretty conservative has said he would never vote for Trump or Hillary Clinton.

Personally I am a little afraid of Trump and I believe Hillary Clinton is one of the biggest phonies I have seen in an election. Don't know what I would do in that possible election.

I am torn as well. I don't want to vote for either, and I don't want to throw away my vote on an 3rd party alternative. It may come down to me voting for the VP. I don't know yet.
 
Rational methods, here, involve waiting for the actual voters instead of polling. The leader before the first primary seldom retains the lead once voting happens.

I get from that the GOP allowed Iowa to have their primaries first as it is not trend setting at all. That includes the final nominee can win Iowa as any other. Otherwise, Iowa is trend setting the worst way and all candidates would avoid doing any campaign there.
 
My son who is pretty conservative has said he would never vote for Trump or Hillary Clinton.

Personally I am a little afraid of Trump and I believe Hillary Clinton is one of the biggest phonies I have seen in an election. Don't know what I would do in that possible election.

This is Part II. Part I is here
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I'd rather vote for a phony than a legit dangerous xenophobic piece of trash. Dangerous only because of a remarkable stupidity on how the world works.

With any luck it won't come down to either of them.
 
"Hillary got schlonged"

Really Trump? :rolleyes:

Maybe he should be criticized for not speaking English.

And since when is taking a piss "disgusting"? Especially since the ladies room was further away than the men's, (according to a Clinton staffer) and we can't just unzip and whip that schlong out. The debate venue should have accommodated that minor gender disadvantage, IMO.
 
It seems such schlonging thingy is needed to sign executive office orders in the White House's gardens when it snows and Hillary would fail to keep a consistent calligraphy.

[Did the founding fathers ever thought of a woman for that? For God's sake! -a Trump apologist]
 
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Trump considers it "disgusting" that Clinton had to use the bathroom -- so disgusting that he ranted about it during a stump speech. Good thing he cherishes women, right?
 
Trump considers it "disgusting" that Clinton had to use the bathroom -- so disgusting that he ranted about it during a stump speech. Good thing he cherishes women, right?

It's so disgusting, he doesn't want to talk about it. And goes on talking about it.

Are we allowed to say "schlong" here?
 
Are we allowed to say "schlong" here?

Regrettably, this time that word is the topic.

Maybe, with its combination with scatological references regarding the same competitor, Trump finally went too far.

Cruz and Rubio might know the concept of vergüenza ajena, meaning you feel embarrassed and even blush for the nasty actions of another person -in this case Trump's- because it's embarrassing to be related in the slightest way to those embarrassing events. I hope both -and the other candidates too- will be gentlemanly -because that's their true nature- and offer her an apology on behalf of the whole GOP.
 
Regrettably, this time that word is the topic.

Maybe, with its combination with scatological references regarding the same competitor, Trump finally went too far.

So far there is no evidence that it is possible for Trump to go too far with the people supporting him.
 
It's so disgusting, he doesn't want to talk about it. And goes on talking about it.

Are we allowed to say "schlong" here?
As a member who has actually used the term on this forum in the past, and as a Jew (ethnic not religious, I should add), I say yes. But not in verb form.
 
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Trump considers it "disgusting" that Clinton had to use the bathroom -- so disgusting that he ranted about it during a stump speech. Good thing he cherishes women, right?

It's such a bizarre concept that using the loo is 'disgusting'. Makes one wonder if Trump has hidden mommy issues or something.
 
Even then, similar phrases (e.g. "got screwed") are typically used to indicate some sort of unfairness to the situation. Obviously Trump wasn't attempting to sympathize; he was attempting to disparage. He's just... not very good with words.
FTFY
 
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... and I believe Hillary Clinton is one of the biggest phonies I have seen in an election. Don't know what I would do in that possible election.

Same here, although she may be slightly less so than her husband. B. Clinton annoys me because he basks in a moderate light and as one having had a successful administration. But what he really accomplished was to agree to remove all the Depression-era protections in banking practices that unleashed the 2008 financial Kraken, like a good little neocon. The system has yet to be fixed, and is worse now. Nice hack job, Bill. Hillary seems perhaps, maybe, I dunno, possibly better by a hair. Maybe. I dunno.
 
So far there is no evidence that it is possible for Trump to go too far with the people supporting him.

I have a hard time believing that a 100% of people longing for the old "America" and its values will find a crass person who makes scatological references and disparages women to be suitable for the fatherly figure of POTUS. Many may entertain the idea while it's funny, but they should finally come into reason. Otherwise there's a development like "I'm voting him not because I like him but because he will stand against the communists" that Italy, Hungary and Germany experienced almost one century ago to the known results.
 
I have a hard time believing that a 100% of people longing for the old "America" and its values will find a crass person who makes scatological references and disparages women to be suitable for the fatherly figure of POTUS. Many may entertain the idea while it's funny, but they should finally come into reason. Otherwise there's a development like "I'm voting him not because I like him but because he will stand against the communists" that Italy, Hungary and Germany experienced almost one century ago to the known results.

There's a widely held perception that Donald J Trump is a brilliant businessman who will bring a no-nonsense approach to the office of President and will, as a consequence make America both respected and feared around the world. For those sort of people, his outbursts are a refreshing change from today's PC obsessed world in which open racism and misogyny are not tolerated. Unfortunately my father is one of them :(.

I think it's arrant nonsense but all he has to do is convince (fool ?) enough of the people enough of the time.
 
More and more I find I'm looking forward to Mr. Trump's eventual fall from favor. I only fear a potentially liver-damaging sugar rush, the event will be so sweet.

Donald Trump president? Not by a schlong shot.
 
Pondering thought: The GOP has spent the last half century incessantly berating and demonizing the federal government. Now they are reaping what they've sowed.
 
The "disgusting" reference was more psychological propaganda from a master. He wanted to create this image in our minds that Hillary has disgusting bathroom habits. Like with the misogynistic "blood coming out of whatever" comment a couple months back.

The Washington Post made a case that "schlonged" was a misuse of the term "shellacked," apparently previously used in a misquote of Obama's characterization of the 2006 midterm elections. I take it as an antisemitic, "you know, all Yiddish words are the same" kind of way.
 
I will dare -my apologies in advance- to comment on what voters of a foreign country should do because this situation is worrying enough (besides the USA having almost the monopoly in mass destruction weapons and an economic stature capable of generating a world crisis if anything is mismanaged)

I would ask politely ... that moderate Republican would consider ... in case this Trump person wins the nomination ... to go and vote ... (and here is the impudent part) ... and vote everything Democrat (president, representatives, governor, whatever) unless each individual candidate is plain nasty. The reason of this impertinent piece of advice is this: you have to weigh what is better, to send a strong message to the GOP telling "you've gone too far" and have the party renewed and purified through an internal crisis without being untrue to their political philosophy, or to have your party weakened but still trying to follow such path of degradation with unpredictable consequences in 10 or 20 years time.
 
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The sheer volume of the crazy things that Trump spouts makes it hard to keep up, and hard to pay proper attention to the particular incidents.

He was pronounced liar of the year by politifact, yet no mention. The letter supposedly written by his physician is loaded with hilarious BS, but it barely draws notice. Etc.

These superficial problems are vexing!
 
The sheer volume of the crazy things that Trump spouts makes it hard to keep up, and hard to pay proper attention to the particular incidents.

He was pronounced liar of the year by politifact, yet no mention. The letter supposedly written by his physician is loaded with hilarious BS, but it barely draws notice. Etc.

These superficial problems are vexing!

I thought he'd be DOA after saying McCain isn't a war hero because he spent most of the war in prison. Then he praised the dictator in charge of Russia... surely he'll be abandoned by republicans after that... no?? OK I guess he really can say absolutely anything.
 
I will dare -my apologies in advance- to comment on what voters of a foreign country should do because this situation is worrying enough (besides the USA having almost the monopoly in mass destruction weapons and an economic stature capable of generating a world crisis if anything is mismanaged)

I would ask politely ... that moderate Republican would consider ... in case this Trump person wins the nomination ... to go and vote ... (and here is the impudent part) ... and vote everything Democrat (president, representatives, governor, whatever) unless each individual candidate is plain nasty. The reason of this impertinent piece of advice is this: you have to weigh what is better, to send a strong message to the GOP telling "you've gone too far" and have the party renewed and purified through an internal crisis without being untrue to their political philosophy, or to have your party weakened but still trying to follow such path of degradation with unpredictable consequences in 10 or 20 years time.

I used to think of myself as a moderate republican. But now that Rubio is considered the moderate alternative and McCain is a RINO... the party has lost me. I'll hold my nose and vote for Hills if Trump, Cruz, or Carson get the nomination. Actually I think Cruz will get it, Trump will run 3rd party and Clinton wins in a landslide.
 
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It doesn't really matter if his own party lets Trump get away with the things he says. The dems are probably pleased that they do because no doubt the dems have a long, well-sourced list, c/w videos, of all these things to bring out at the appropriate time.

I have some confidence that the majority of Americans are not idiots and, if and when Trump gets the nomination, all these quotes will be raised continuously by the dems to the point where they will determine the outcome of the election.
 
It doesn't really matter if his own party lets Trump get away with the things he says. The dems are probably pleased that they do because no doubt the dems have a long, well-sourced list, c/w videos, of all these things to bring out at the appropriate time.

I have some confidence that the majority of Americans are not idiots

Well, there is great evidence that many Americans are idiots, but is there enough evidence to decide whether or not the majority are idiots? Furthermore, it could be argued that the electorate is not a representative sample of the entire population. Therefore the question is whether or not the majority of voters are idiots. We may soon find out.

Meanwhile, a couple of quotes from Mencken


"No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. " (September 1926)​

And the put-a-moron-in-the-White-House quote in context.

"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."​
 
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I used to think of myself as a moderate republican. But now that Rubio is considered the moderate alternative and McCain is a RINO... the party has lost me. I'll hold my nose and vote for Hills if Trump, Cruz, or Carson get the nomination. Actually I think Cruz will get it, Trump will run 3rd party and Clinton wins in a landslide.

I think that, in a more general level, the electoral system in almost every country within the Anglosphere is killing them. What you say is the typical consequence of such a system: the middle ground gets deleted and every moderated fellow is forced to make political somersaults and tight rope acts to vote with some rationality. I can't illustrate enough how antidemocratic constituencies -or any alternative name- are. Not only they foster a bipartisanism without a middle ground but they frequently leave half or even more voters without having elected any single incumbent within a category. That doesn't make sense to me nor I regard it to be any democratic.

Not surprisingly the anglo system was adopted by Chávez, the tropical Mussolini, to keep their hold on power (Now it seems to have backfired, but that is another story).
 
The sheer volume of the crazy things that Trump spouts makes it hard to keep up, and hard to pay proper attention to the particular incidents.

He was pronounced liar of the year by politifact, yet no mention. The letter supposedly written by his physician is loaded with hilarious BS, but it barely draws notice. Etc.

These superficial problems are vexing!

The doctor's math is off by 4 years: Been his doctor for 39 years ... since 1980.

Trump's blood pressure is unusually low for his age: 110/65, though it is possible.

The superlatives sound like Trump wrote the letter and the Dr merely signed it.
 
It's such a bizarre concept that using the loo is 'disgusting'. Makes one wonder if Trump has hidden mommy issues or something.

I don't understand this business at all. Is Trump claiming that he doesn't use the toilet? (Maybe he pays somebody to do it for him.)

Question: How much of Trump's success is entirely the result of the size of the field? Two-thirds of polled voters are supporting someone else, but they are divided a dozen ways. It's hard to believe that many of the people who support Rubio or Cruz or Bush would see Trump as their favorite second choice.
 
But what he really accomplished was to agree to remove all the Depression-era protections in banking practices that unleashed the 2008 financial Kraken, like a good little neocon.

Yeah, um... I don't think you know what a neocon is. That's OK, lots of people don't, but this really isn't a neocon issue.
 
I imagine most readers have seen Sanders' hilarious mocking of Trump's fascination with Clinton's bathroom break. But just in case:


I hate to say it but, when Trump talked about not killing reporters, and then he paused ... that was A+ comedic delivery.

The sincere hatred he expresses for the press isn't so funny though.
 
The doctor's math is off by 4 years: Been his doctor for 39 years ... since 1980.
As I understand, Trump's long time doctor died 3-4 years ago, at which time the son of the dead doctor became Trump's doctor. (When Trump released the report, he thanked the dead father.)
 
I don't understand this business at all. Is Trump claiming that he doesn't use the toilet?
Considering the volume of excrement that comes out of his mouth, he probably doesn't need to.
The one issue I can see destroying Trump's chances to win the nomination virtually overnight is gay rights. He's been pretty supportive of that in the past, I think. For gay men, anyhow, I suppose. He doesn't like women of any sort other than bimbos.
 
I imagine most readers have seen Sanders' hilarious mocking of Trump's fascination with Clinton's bathroom break. But just in case:


I hate to say it but, when Trump talked about not killing reporters, and then he paused ... that was A+ comedic delivery.

The sincere hatred he expresses for the press isn't so funny though.

Now, I'm depressed. The thin varnish of class he had covered himself with has evaporated now and a butcher dressed up for his knocked up daughter's urgent wedding is shown.

It reminds me SNL's sketch about Swarovski-like gemstones and its low class mongering of social standing through the sales network.

Appalling.
 
... Appalling.

I agree. But I think the disdain many Americans show for intellect, especially in leadership, is the worst aspect of all. It's a wonder Obama ever got elected. Since he retains his wont of using multisyllabic words, his ratings keep dipping when he speaks.

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Wish I could produce a new sci-fi show, and every single time the dumbbell idiot asks geeks/nerds/scientists/people-who-read-books to "Say that in English," the scene should freeze as everyone else looks at the hopeless dope. The only time I ever recall a scene like that was in Ghostbusters I, with the "you never studied" line.

The scariest thing is that the TV show dumb-down requests are being applied to easier and easier concepts.:(
 
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