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Merged Time for a Kasich thread...

Note.... of course he is as bad as any of those other slimes. He is a republicker. At best he appears to be a softer gentler guy going up your (random your, not you personally)rectum and perhaps unlike Trump and Cruz and Bush and (well, not anymore) Christie he uses a little lube. But same-same otherwise!!!!!
 
He's been under my radar so far. I haven't heard much yet that I object to, but I'm sure I will if he manages to become remotely viable. I haven't heard a Republican politician talk at length in a long time without becoming disgusted.
 
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I never really heard of the guy either so had no clue on his stances. Just looked some of them up (forgive me, it's long):

Economy:
•Converted Ohio's $8B deficit to $2B surplus. (Nov 2015)
•Balanced Budget Forever: promote constitutional amendment. (Feb 2015)
•Against ethanol subsidies, and all subsidies. (Apr 1999)
•No income taxes on small businesses up to $2M. (Feb 2015)
•Expand Medicaid; everybody has a right to God-given purpose. (Aug 2015)
•Opposes ObamaCare but not all public programs. (Aug 2015)
•Accepted ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion statewide. (Feb 2015)
•Limit collective-bargaining rights for public employees. (Mar 2015)
•Fix Social Security by lowering benefits. (Oct 2015)
•Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)

Misc:
•Death penalty is consistent with justice & Christian values. (May 2015)
•Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
•Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
•More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)
•Don't send mixed signals to kids by legalizing. (Oct 2015)
•Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
•Voted YES on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
•Member of the Tea Party movement. (Aug 2012)
•Defund Planned Parenthood, like we are trying in Ohio. (Sep 2015)
•Pro-life except rape & incest; supports litmus test. (Apr 1999)


Environment:
•Climate change is a real issue, but the extent is unproven. (Aug 2015)
•Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
•Strengthen Clean Water Act; increase federal grazing fees. (Nov 1996)


Education:
•I like the ideas in Common Core, but not the program. (Jul 2015)
•We need charter schools, with state oversight. (Jul 2015)
•$120 million student debt relief fund; plus online college. (Feb 2015)
•Voted YES on giving federal aid only to schools allowing voluntary prayer. (Mar 1994)

Religion:
•Bible stories are historical facts. (Jun 2010) (Believes Noah and the flood are factual historical events)
•Did earth come about on its own? Evidence says No. (Jun 2010)
•Separating church and state is goofy misinterpretation. (Jun 2010)
•Limited government supported by our Judeo-Christian ethics. (May 2006)


Foreign Policy / Trade:
•No more Syrian refugees in Ohio or anywhere in USA. (Nov 2015)
•Keep Iran accountable, WITHIN the existing Nuclear Deal. (Sep 2015)
•Fight ISIS with a coalition including US ground troops. (Jul 2015)
•No diplomatic relations with Cuba nor Vietnam. (Nov 1996)
•Supports NAFTA and GATT. (Nov 1996)
•It's a silly argument to ship 11M illegals back to Mexico. (Nov 2015)
•Seal the border with Mexico, support legal immigrants. (Jul 2015)


That is a small portion of his quotes and history from here:
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kasich.htm


According to PBS, here are some of his recent stances:

•Climate change is real. The EPA should not regulate emissions.
•Less prison time for nonviolent offenders. Focus on rehabilitation and treatment.
•Continue Common Core. Cut education spending.
•Allow undocumented immigrants to stay in the country legally. A path to citizenship is not preferable but may be part of compromise.
•Keep the federal Medicaid expansion. Repeal and replace the rest of the Affordable Healthcare Act.
•It’s time to move on from the same-sex marriage debate. Ban abortions after 20 weeks, with an exception if the life of the mother is in danger.
•Cut income and corporate taxes. Close some loopholes. Raise other taxes, including a state tax on fracking.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/john-kasich-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/


He really is pretty moderate and has plenty of stances I could agree with (and plenty I don't). He can't keep his religion out of our government though so that sort of turns me off.
 
foophil said:
I never really heard of the guy either so had no clue on his stances. Just looked some of them up (forgive me, it's long):

Economy:
•Converted Ohio's $8B deficit to $2B surplus. (Nov 2015)
•Balanced Budget Forever: promote constitutional amendment. (Feb 2015)
•Against ethanol subsidies, and all subsidies. (Apr 1999)
•No income taxes on small businesses up to $2M. (Feb 2015)
•Expand Medicaid; everybody has a right to God-given purpose. (Aug 2015)
•Opposes ObamaCare but not all public programs. (Aug 2015)
•Accepted ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion statewide. (Feb 2015)
•Limit collective-bargaining rights for public employees. (Mar 2015)
•Fix Social Security by lowering benefits. (Oct 2015)
•Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)

Misc:
•Death penalty is consistent with justice & Christian values. (May 2015)
•Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
•Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
•More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)
•Don't send mixed signals to kids by legalizing. (Oct 2015)
•Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
•Voted YES on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
•Member of the Tea Party movement. (Aug 2012)
•Defund Planned Parenthood, like we are trying in Ohio. (Sep 2015)
•Pro-life except rape & incest; supports litmus test. (Apr 1999)


Environment:
•Climate change is a real issue, but the extent is unproven. (Aug 2015)
•Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
•Strengthen Clean Water Act; increase federal grazing fees. (Nov 1996)


Education:
•I like the ideas in Common Core, but not the program. (Jul 2015)
•We need charter schools, with state oversight. (Jul 2015)
•$120 million student debt relief fund; plus online college. (Feb 2015)
•Voted YES on giving federal aid only to schools allowing voluntary prayer. (Mar 1994)

Religion:
•Bible stories are historical facts. (Jun 2010) (Believes Noah and the flood are factual historical events)
•Did earth come about on its own? Evidence says No. (Jun 2010)
•Separating church and state is goofy misinterpretation. (Jun 2010)
•Limited government supported by our Judeo-Christian ethics. (May 2006)


Foreign Policy / Trade:
•No more Syrian refugees in Ohio or anywhere in USA. (Nov 2015)
•Keep Iran accountable, WITHIN the existing Nuclear Deal. (Sep 2015)
•Fight ISIS with a coalition including US ground troops. (Jul 2015)
•No diplomatic relations with Cuba nor Vietnam. (Nov 1996)
•Supports NAFTA and GATT. (Nov 1996)
•It's a silly argument to ship 11M illegals back to Mexico. (Nov 2015)
•Seal the border with Mexico, support legal immigrants. (Jul 2015)


That is a small portion of his quotes and history from here:
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kasich.htm


According to PBS, here are some of his recent stances:

•Climate change is real. The EPA should not regulate emissions.
•Less prison time for nonviolent offenders. Focus on rehabilitation and treatment.
•Continue Common Core. Cut education spending.
•Allow undocumented immigrants to stay in the country legally. A path to citizenship is not preferable but may be part of compromise.
•Keep the federal Medicaid expansion. Repeal and replace the rest of the Affordable Healthcare Act.
•It’s time to move on from the same-sex marriage debate. Ban abortions after 20 weeks, with an exception if the life of the mother is in danger.
•Cut income and corporate taxes. Close some loopholes. Raise other taxes, including a state tax on fracking.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/john-kasich-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/


He really is pretty moderate and has plenty of stances I could agree with (and plenty I don't). He can't keep his religion out of our government though so that sort of turns me off.
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Isn't he also the one who said he wants to "bop Russia in the nose", for no discernable reason?
 
foophil said:
•Voted YES on giving federal aid only to schools allowing voluntary prayer. (Mar 1994)
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Another politician who doesn't understand 1st Amendment rulings.

All public schools in the USA must allow students to pray as long a they do not disrupt the classroom. The courts have repeatedly ruled that banning student prayer is a violation of the 1st.
 
fuelair said:
Note.... of course he is as bad as any of those other slimes. He is a republicker. At best he appears to be a softer gentler guy going up your (random your, not you personally)rectum and perhaps unlike Trump and Cruz and Bush and (well, not anymore) Christie he uses a little lube. But same-same otherwise!!!!!
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Hey, if you say so. You're the expert. :boggled:

It is not time for a Kasich thread. Maybe tomorrow.
 
varwoche said:
I agree, with a slight revision.

However, we're both guilty of outdated thinking. The modern GOP is so freakishly whacked out that Kasich actually is a moderate.
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I agree "some" is better than "most." However, I'm reluctant to redefine moderate to mean "in comparison to the other wack-jobs." Obama is pretty moderate, but if we keep pushing the definition to the right, where does he measure?
 
foophil said:
I never really heard of the guy either so had no clue on his stances. Just looked some of them up (forgive me, it's long):
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Thanks. It is long, but appreciated.

He really is pretty moderate and has plenty of stances I could agree with (and plenty I don't). He can't keep his religion out of our government though so that sort of turns me off.
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The best of a bad bunch, but will never get the nomination. Reminds me of Huntsman, to a degree.
 
John Kasich thread

I haven't found a John Kasich thread, so I decided to start one. With Ben Carson avoiding the next debate, will John Kasich get more questions? Does John Kasich have a chance at getting the nomination, or is he being hopelessly optimistic?

I'm not Republican, however, if I were, I would probably vote for John Kasich. He is more qualified than the other four, is much more polite than the Three Stooges, and seems slightly less misogynistic than the other four.
 
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This is likely to be a very short thread.

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I'm not Republican, however, if I were, I would probably vote for John Kasich. He is more qualified than the other four, much more polite than the Three Stooges, and slightly less misogynistic than the other four.
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is why he's losing.
 
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While he seems like the only adult in the room, sadly he's too pro-life to be much more acceptable than Cruz.
 
Kasich staying in the race probably works to Trump's advantage. Rubio may have won Virginia with Kasich out of the race, and Kasich probably also ensures that Rubio or Cruz won't win Ohio.

Latest poll from Ohio (a winner-take-all state for the delegates) shows Trump with 31%, Kasich 26% and the rest balkanized. Less than a third, but as long as it's a plurality (more than anyone else) he gets all the delegates.
 
Trebuchet said:
This is likely to be a very short thread.

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is why he's losing.
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Yep. He's the sane man in a field of lunatics.
John Scalzi said:
He’s cranky and too conservative for my tastes and he’s got a hard-on for defunding Planned Parenthood here in Ohio (not to mention an attempted union-bust which required a citizen initiative to smack back) and he said a genuinely dumbass thing about opening a government office for Judeo-Christian values like he’s never heard of the Establishment Clause before and has shamefully said he doesn’t want Syrian refugees and yet I look around at who is running in the GOP field this year, and Kasich is one of the few I trust not to run the whole country into the ground either through incompetence or ideological rigidity, or both.
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Tony Stark said:
Kasich has zero shot of winning the nomination.
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Also true.
 
And I think that Kasich is the candidate that Hilary Clinton would least like to run against. He's probably the GOP's best chance this year.
 
dudalb said:
And I think that Kasich is the candidate that Hilary Clinton would least like to run against. He's probably the GOP's best chance this year.
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I can't possibly seem him showing up at the GOP convention in better than 3rd place. So if its contested, and some how some way, the "establishment" manages to nominate him, they've just pissed off all the Trump supporters AND all the Tea Partyers. I think you'd see a revolt in the republican party if that happened, and HRC winning in a huge landslide.
 
lobosrul said:
I can't possibly seem him showing up at the GOP convention in better than 3rd place. So if its contested, and some how some way, the "establishment" manages to nominate him, they've just pissed off all the Trump supporters AND all the Tea Partyers. I think you'd see a revolt in the republican party if that happened, and HRC winning in a huge landslide.
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I think there's more than a few traditional Republicans that would prefer this to a Trump (or even Cruz) presidency, however. Trump is pure poison to the core of the party, win or lose. Hell, he's pure poison to the country as a whole.
 
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Manopolus said:
I think there's more than a few traditional Republicans that would prefer this to a Trump (or even Cruz) presidency, however. Trump is pure poison to the core of the party, win or lose. Hell, he's pure poison to the country as a whole.
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Certainly more than a few, I'd guess at about a third.

Just saw this: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-cruz-kasich-convention-220846

GOP rules state that he needs to win 8 states to be eligible in a contested convention.
 
This in from Alaska...

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alaska

Candidates Vote Pct. Delegates
Ted Cruz 7,973 36.4% 14
Donald J. Trump 7,346 33.5 14
Marco Rubio 3,318 15.1 —
Ben Carson 2,401 10.9 —
John Kasich 892 4.1 —

John Kasich falls to fifth place, behind Marco Rubio and Ben Carson who previously dropped out.

I sort of feel sorry for the guy...
 
Maya22 said:
This in from Alaska...

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alaska

Candidates Vote Pct. Delegates
Ted Cruz 7,973 36.4% 14
Donald J. Trump 7,346 33.5 14
Marco Rubio 3,318 15.1 —
Ben Carson 2,401 10.9 —
John Kasich 892 4.1 —

John Kasich falls to fifth place, behind Marco Rubio and Ben Carson who previously dropped out.

I sort of feel sorry for the guy...
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The Republican Alaska caucus is old news, that was already March 1st.
 
Yikes! I have been having a tired couple of days. I was looking at the web page, and for some reason I thought both R and D Alaska caucuses were today. I need to take a nap now!
 
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Maya22 said:
This in from Alaska...

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alaska

Candidates Vote Pct. Delegates
Ted Cruz 7,973 36.4% 14
Donald J. Trump 7,346 33.5 14
Marco Rubio 3,318 15.1 —
Ben Carson 2,401 10.9 —
John Kasich 892 4.1 —

John Kasich falls to fifth place, behind Marco Rubio and Ben Carson who previously dropped out.

I sort of feel sorry for the guy...
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Which is odd because Kasich is the only person still running of the GOP who polls well against Clinton. It seems a better plan to vote for the guy who is even or a few points up of the Democratic nominee in general election polls than to vote for someone who is as much as 18 points behind.
 
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