White supremacist and racist just "like Donald Trump"

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One of Trumps delegates in California is William Johnson, also described as "one of the country's most prominent white nationalists". Johnson is the leader of the American Freedom Party, which "represents the political interests of White Americans".
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center Johnson has advocated the deportation of anyone who isn't white, this includes anyone with an "ascertainable trace of Negro blood". Johnson claims to have spent more than thirty thousand dollars of his own money supporting Trump and says he is taking white nationalism "mainstream."
William Johnson said:
"I can be a white nationalist and be a strong supporter of Donald Trump and be a good example to everybody".
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The Trump campaign claims that the inclusion of Johnson as a delegate is down to "database error".

William Johnson said:
For many, many years, when I would say these things, other white people would call me names: 'Oh, you're a hatemonger, you're a Nazi, you're like Hitler. "Now they come in and say, 'Oh, you're like Donald Trump.'"
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It is entirely possible that it was a database error. It could also have been a screening error, William Johnson is likely not a unique name.

I would take anything out of the mouth of a white nationalist with a large pinch of salt. He may say that he has personally contributed $30k but I wouldn't take that at face value. I can see the advantage to attempt to hitch his wagon to the Trump cause, he'll get some much-craved-for publicity, but much as I dislike Trump and his politics I don't see him as a white supremacist so much as a Trump-supremacist who is willing to to whatever rhetoric is most convenient to try and drum up support. YMMV

If the reports are true then one person slipping through is not news. If further investigation reveals large numbers of white supremacists within the Trump organisation then that's a different kettle of fish.
 
I and others made a couple posts about this in the general Trump thread in the election subforum. I'm not saying that all Trump supporters are racists, but it sure does seem like most overt racists of the white supremacist or white nationalist variety are Trump supporters.

Puppycow said:
It may be too late for them to remove him as a delegate:

Trump Campaign Corresponded With Its White Nationalist Delegate Long After "Database Error"

In an update to the story, it turns out that it already past the statutory deadline for campaigns to submit their lists of delegates, so he may not be able to be replaced, unless they bend the rules.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11272108&postcount=3329

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11272385&postcount=3348

Anyway, their claims that it was just a database glitch that was corrected in February appear to be contradicted by emails he received just a couple days ago. And it's past the statutory deadline to change the list they submitted.
 
The Don said:
It is entirely possible that it was a database error. It could also have been a screening error, William Johnson is likely not a unique name.

I would take anything out of the mouth of a white nationalist with a large pinch of salt. He may say that he has personally contributed $30k but I wouldn't take that at face value. I can see the advantage to attempt to hitch his wagon to the Trump cause, he'll get some much-craved-for publicity, but much as I dislike Trump and his politics I don't see him as a white supremacist so much as a Trump-supremacist who is willing to to whatever rhetoric is most convenient to try and drum up support. YMMV

If the reports are true then one person slipping through is not news. If further investigation reveals large numbers of white supremacists within the Trump organisation then that's a different kettle of fish.
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Very true. I agree absolutely that anything Johnson said said could easily be utter crap and he's milking the situation for publicity.

Puppycow said:
I and others made a couple posts about this in the general Trump thread in the election subforum. I'm not saying that all Trump supporters are racists, but it sure does seem like most overt racists of the white supremacist or white nationalist variety are Trump supporters.
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I'd missed that. I've kinds abandoned that thread due to the awful signal/noise ratio.

Puppycow said:
Anyway, their claims that it was just a database glitch that was corrected in February appear to be contradicted by emails he received just a couple days ago. And it's past the statutory deadline to change the list they submitted.
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That's interesting.
 
My Mom has a friend I'll call "M" who is a little bit younger than her. M has a husband and two sons. They are all Mexican American. Although my Mom and M haven't been neighbors for a long time, they still keep in touch by Facebook and email. One time my Mom told me that she saw a picture of M and her sons holding Trump signs. I was baffled. I looked at M's Facebook page, and I saw 3 or 4 pictures of M and her sons carrying Trump signs. Apparently, They went to a Trump rally in Oregon. I read some of the comments. One person asked "Were you the only Mexicans there?" One of the sons replied. "No, the other Mexicans were kicked out for protesting." There was a video of Trump autographing the hat of one of the sons and the hand of M.

Anyway, I guess they had an adventure.
 
Maya22 said:
My Mom has a friend I'll call "M" who is a little bit younger than her. M has a husband and two sons. They are all Mexican American. Although my Mom and M haven't been neighbors for a long time, they still keep in touch by Facebook and email. One time my Mom told me that she saw a picture of M and her sons holding Trump signs. I was baffled. I looked at M's Facebook page, and I saw 3 or 4 pictures of M and her sons carrying Trump signs. Apparently, They went to a Trump rally in Oregon. I read some of the comments. One person asked "Were you the only Mexicans there?" One of the sons replied. "No, the other Mexicans were kicked out for protesting." There was a video of Trump autographing the hat of one of the sons and the hand of M.

Anyway, I guess they had an adventure.
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Why does this surprise you? Should all Mexicans be for illegal immigration?

eta: I'm speaking about the USA of course, Mexico itself won't tolerate illegal immigration to Mexico.
 
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This type of thing happens all the time among all major parties in the UK .There will always be a handful of undesirables who slip into the membership .
And there will always be ferrets paid to find and bring them to general attention to cause trouble and win the proverbial fifteen minutes .
 
WildCat said:
Why does this surprise you? Should all Mexicans be for illegal immigration?

eta: I'm speaking about the USA of course, Mexico itself won't tolerate illegal immigration to Mexico.
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I was surprised because my Mom and I had no idea that M and her sons were interested in politics. I think that they are 2nd and 3rd generation Mexican-Americans. I don't even know if they speak Spanish.

Where I live, there is some animosity between some 1st generation Mexican immigrants and some 2nd and 3rd generation Mexican Americans. There is also some animosity between some African immigrants and some African Americans who have lived in the US for decades if not centuries. I can't quite figure those things out.

ETA - I remember hearing that there are many elderly senior citizens from the United States that are living in Mexico because it costs less and the weather is warmer. I also remember hearing that some of them overstayed their visas; however, the Mexican government doesn't care as long as they behave well and contribute to the economy by paying rent, buying groceries, etc. I wasn't able to find an article about the second sentence in this paragraph, so it could just be a rumor.
 
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Maya22 said:
I was surprised because my Mom and I had no idea that M and her sons were interested in politics. I think that they are 2nd and 3rd generation Mexican-Americans. I don't even know if they speak Spanish.

Where I live, there is some animosity between some 1st generation Mexican immigrants and some 2nd and 3rd generation Mexican Americans. There is also some animosity between some African immigrants and some African Americans who have lived in the US for decades if not centuries. I can't quite figure those things out.

ETA - I remember hearing that there are many elderly senior citizens from the United States that are living in Mexico because it costs less and the weather is warmer. I also remember hearing that some of them overstayed their visas; however, the Mexican government doesn't care as long as they behave well and contribute to the economy by paying rent, buying groceries, etc. I wasn't able to find an article about the second sentence in this paragraph, so it could just be a rumor.
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Sounds like Mexico doesn't want freeloaders in their country. Quite a contrast to the USA and our sanctuary cities - you don't need to behave, we will feed you and give you money and we won't deport you even if we catch you.

Mexico doesn't need a big welfare system, they have us.

I can't quite figure those things out.
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A few Mexican Americans have told me that they feel the people running over the border give the rest of them a bad name, especially the criminal element. They also resent that they had to come here legally and pay taxes while these other people run freely back and forth across the border. There is probably more to it.
 
Once again, I'll state my opinion that we need to revisit the terms of the treaty of guadalupe hidalgo. I've been to a couple of parts of Mexico and those people deserve a government that doesn't suck.
 
I don't doubt that WNs support Trump because I've seen it. On the same token there are Marxist-Leninists who support Bernie Sanders. That doesn't per se justify calling Sanders a tankie.
 
fishbob said:
Some Trump supporters may be good people, but no white supremacists are.
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Trump supporters are who I meant of course.

My choice of words there came from Trump's speech announcing his presidential bid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...xt-donald-trump-announces-a-presidential-bid/

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
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So as long as you add the caveat that it might not apply to some of the people you are talking about it's totally OK to make blanket statements about large groups of people, like Trump supporters. ;)
 
I don't know why white supremacists would support Trump. The man is clearly orange.
 
Malbec said:
This type of thing happens all the time among all major parties in the UK .There will always be a handful of undesirables who slip into the membership .
And there will always be ferrets paid to find and bring them to general attention to cause trouble and win the proverbial fifteen minutes .
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Which party have you slipped into? UKIP?
 
Prokhor Zakharov said:
I don't doubt that WNs support Trump because I've seen it. On the same token there are Marxist-Leninists who support Bernie Sanders. That doesn't per se justify calling Sanders a tankie.
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Nitpick, tankies are Stalinists not Marxist–Leninist, but yes I'd agree to a degree.
However Sanders doesn't appeal specifically to communists of any stripe while Trump's anti-immigration/anti-woman/anti-Muslim rhetoric does appeal to the racist/misogynist fringe.
 
catsmate said:
Nitpick, tankies are Stalinists not Marxist–Leninist, but yes I'd agree to a degree.
However Sanders doesn't appeal specifically to communists of any stripe while Trump's anti-immigration/anti-woman/anti-Muslim rhetoric does appeal to the racist/misogynist fringe.
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All Stalinists are Marxist-Leninist, as all Maoists are Stalinists and so on.
 
Let's see, off the top of my head -- Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders. Sounds like white supremacy in the Democrat Party to me. No need to look any further. All of the power concentrated in a few old, white farts.
 
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BrooklynBaby said:
Let's see, off the top of my head -- Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders. Sounds like white supremacy in the Democrat Party to me. No need to look any further. All of the power concentrated in a few old, white farts.
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That's inclusive, non-discriminatory old white farts to you, buddy.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Let's see, off the top of my head -- Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders. Sounds like white supremacy in the Democrat Party to me. No need to look any further. All of the power concentrated in a few old, white farts.
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Really? Those named by you have advocated removing US citizenship from non-whites? Advocated deporting those with any "ascertainable trace of Negro blood" or more than one-eighth "Mongolian, Asian, Asia Minor, Middle Eastern, Semitic, Near Eastern, American Indian, Malay or other non-European or non-white blood"? Stated that they only "represent the political interests of White Americans"
William Johnson said:
No person shall be a citizen of the United States unless he is a non-Hispanic white of the European race. … Only citizens shall have the right and privilege to reside permanently in the United States.
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BrooklynBaby said:
Let's see, off the top of my head -- Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders. Sounds like white supremacy in the Democrat Party to me. No need to look any further. All of the power concentrated in a few old, white farts.
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Missing anyone? Say, the PRESIDENT?

:rolleyes:
 
Why is anyone surprised by this? Look at the people who go to Trump rallies. It's what you get when you put a $20 bill on a long string and pull it through a trailer park.
 
Another Trump delegate outed as a white nationalist.

Donald Trump has another delegate with controversial views on matters of race. Meet Chicago mortgage banker Lori Gayne:

"With all the racism going on today, I'm very proud to be white. Just like black people are proud to be black and now, as white people, whenever we say something critical we're punished as if we're racists. I'm tired of it. I'm very proud," Gayne said.

"I'm so angry I don't even feel like I live in America. You can call me a racist. Black Lives Matter? Those people are out of control," she said.

Gayne's Twitter account, which is only accessible to her followers, is called "whitepride":
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Norman Alexander said:
For an insult comic, you're not very good. Work on your material.
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I'm not trying to be funny. The old Dem white supremacists have all of the power and they certainly did their best to keep Obama out. Now that he is leaving they will be running the Dem show.

To me, there is nothing sillier than a bunch of powerful old white Dems trashing Republicans for being white. I've often wondered if their proles just don't notice how white Debbie Schultz is, along with the rest of the Dem Boomer Elite.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I'm not trying to be funny. The old Dem white supremacists have all of the power and they certainly did their best to keep Obama out. Now that he is leaving they will be running the Dem show.
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The "old Dem white supremacists" switched to the Republican party about 60 years ago.

To me, there is nothing sillier than a bunch of powerful old white Dems trashing Republicans for being white. I've often wondered if their proles just don't notice how white Debbie Schultz is, along with the rest of the Dem Boomer Elite.
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I don't think many people deny that both parties are notoriously white. However, the Republican party seems to have a vastly larger share of people openly expressing some form of bigotry or another.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
The "old Dem white supremacists" switched to the Republican party about 60 years ago.
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Stop it with these facts, it's killing BrooklynBaby's arguments.

I don't think many people deny that both parties are notoriously white. However, the Republican party seems to have a vastly larger share of people openly expressing some form of bigotry or another.
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BB seems to not understand that simply being white does not make one a white supremacist. Then again, we are arguing against a mindset that believes the USA is a Christian nation simply because the majority religion is Christianity.
 
Inside A White Nationalist Conference Energized By Trump’s Rise

This year, white nationalists can barely contain their excitement over the presumptive Republican nominee, and the AmRen conference reflected the moment. “Even if Trump loses, he’s already shown that immigration and economic nationalism and the whole concept of ‘America first’ works electorally,” Peter Brimelow, the founder of Vdare.com, said in his speech to the conference. “There are some elections where losing candidates blaze a trail for the future.” Brimelow asked how many in the audience had been to a Trump rally; about a quarter raised their hands, mostly young people.
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The Orange Grifter has "Made Hate Great Again"!
 
catsmate said:
...Johnson has advocated the deportation of anyone who isn't white, this includes anyone with an "ascertainable trace of Negro blood".
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I wonder if he really means it when he says ascertainable trace. I think it would be hilarious if he got a DNA mapping and it showed a ascertainable trace of African heritage. Somehow, I don't think he would make plans to leave he US.
 
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