Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part III

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TheL8Elvis said:
I'm curious to know if Elizabeth Warren, the only Native American (Cherokee) currently serving in the US Senate, was deeply offended by Slings and Arrows recent insensitive remarks:
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In no way, shape, or form am I defending S&A's (nor Trump's) infantile commentary, but it's positively ludicrous to refer to Warren as a Native American.

The old thread was getting too large, so I made this continuation thread. If you would like to go back to Part II, it's here
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301806
 
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varwoche said:
In no way, shape, or form am I defending S&A's (nor Trump's) infantile commentary, but it's positively ludicrous to refer to Warren as a Native American.
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That was not my intention, if that's how you read it.

It was just copy/paste of his earlier assertion.
 
i just realized that if Donald Trump loses he is going to spend the rest of his life saying there was voter fraud.
 
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11142116#post11142116

Eleven weeks later...

It looks there's no need to wait to know what will happen. I said it and I repeat it now: In the USA everyone is Trumpist ... some on favour, some against.

So it's Trump vs. Clinton. Well deserved!

Who's gonna win? Clearly ... not sure. Will less people vote? Certainly, but many will go to vote to protect "America" from Trump, and others to protect it from Clinton. So, not many less, as hate seems to be the driving force in this environment.

Today Clinton is 3 or 4% above. My expectation is that such gap will narrow. It's still more likely for Clinton to win, but not by the margin some people dream of. Certainly the margin wouldn't be enough to say "you see! you see! I told ya! Don't chose the kind of the Trump!". The silver bullet -some over the top statement or embarrassing media- some of you have been waiting for to "kill" Trump won't be shot as nobody gives a damn -that's what we learn from these primaries-. The GOP will have no reason to change its ways and its supporters will learn nothing. And you'll have to wait that its base continue to die or get alzheimerized at a rate of 2 to 3% a year, and become increasingly less white, for thing to change for good.

The immoral duopoly that legally governs the United States will continue in charge, no matter the next president will be either the new Berlusconi or the new Dilma Rousseff (if anything should have been learnt from this is that e-mails and gross manners don't deter voters but can be used for impeachment, so, buckle up for you next four year. I am far away -though no far enough-).

Nice to have met you all, and <insert mixed feelings here resolving towards the negative side> to have participated in these fora. Buh-bye!
 
Odin help me, MSNBC is displaying an HH:MM:SS countdown to the Trump/Ryan meeting! :D

aleCcowaN said:
Nice to have met you all, and <insert mixed feelings here resolving towards the negative side> to have participated in these fora. Buh-bye!
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It's most generous of you to have bestowed your critical thinking skills on us unwashed inferiors.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: << the exceedingly rare trifecta
 
Ladewig said:
How mentally unbalanced does one have to be to be more secretive than Richard Nixon.
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Yep, we're still patiently waiting for Crooked Hillary to release her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, and the now gone-missing emails.

Americans are still undecided whether she should be given the nickname
'Crooked Hillary', or 'Hillary Rodham Nixon'; it's a toss-up.

#ReleaseTheTranscripts
 
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As shown on Fox News (The Kelly File) today, Elizabeth Warren tries to explain the controversy over her alleged Native American (Cherokee) heritage; taken from a press conference circa 2012.

Watch the 36 second video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uegqTj3SHO4

In other news, Trump and Warren are at it again today on Twitter; hurling insults back and forth.

Reference:
#GoofyElizabethWarren
 
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aleCcowaN said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11142116#post11142116

Eleven weeks later...

It looks there's no need to wait to know what will happen. I said it and I repeat it now: In the USA everyone is Trumpist ... some on favour, some against.

So it's Trump vs. Clinton. Well deserved!

Who's gonna win? Clearly ... not sure. Will less people vote? Certainly, but many will go to vote to protect "America" from Trump, and others to protect it from Clinton. So, not many less, as hate seems to be the driving force in this environment.

Today Clinton is 3 or 4% above. My expectation is that such gap will narrow. It's still more likely for Clinton to win, but not by the margin some people dream of. Certainly the margin wouldn't be enough to say "you see! you see! I told ya! Don't chose the kind of the Trump!". The silver bullet -some over the top statement or embarrassing media- some of you have been waiting for to "kill" Trump won't be shot as nobody gives a damn -that's what we learn from these primaries-. The GOP will have no reason to change its ways and its supporters will learn nothing. And you'll have to wait that its base continue to die or get alzheimerized at a rate of 2 to 3% a year, and become increasingly less white, for thing to change for good.

The immoral duopoly that legally governs the United States will continue in charge, no matter the next president will be either the new Berlusconi or the new Dilma Rousseff (if anything should have been learnt from this is that e-mails and gross manners don't deter voters but can be used for impeachment, so, buckle up for you next four year. I am far away -though no far enough-).

Nice to have met you all, and <insert mixed feelings here resolving towards the negative side> to have participated in these fora. Buh-bye!
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Why are you quitting the forum?
 
Ladewig said:
i just realized that if Donald Trump loses he is going to spend the rest of his life saying there was voter fraud.
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That depends on how soundly he's rejected by his targeted market. Trump lives to sell the Trump brand and his story will best reflect that. Given his indifference to the truth, I think it's equally as likely he markets his defeat as, "Ha! I convinced those rubes to support me when I didn't believe anything I was saying," as, "The election was rigged!"
 
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Bob001 said:
Here's a pretty responsible observer who thinks the Clinton-Trump numbers are really much closer, but claims many people won't tell pollsters the truth if they think it's socially unacceptable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/o...-support-trump-but-dont-want-to-admit-it.html
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Excerpt from the article:

"There is also strong evidence that most traditional public opinion surveys inadvertently hide a segment of Trump’s supporters. Many voters are reluctant to admit to a live interviewer that they back a candidate who has adopted such divisive positions.

"In matchups between Trump and Hillary Clinton, Trump does much better in polls conducted online, in which respondents click their answers on a computer screen, rather than in person-to-person landline and cellphone surveys."


There is going to be an army of shocked and stunned individuals this coming November when the votes are all tallied.
 
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Slings and Arrows said:
Excerpt from the article:

"There is also strong evidence that most traditional public opinion surveys inadvertently hide a segment of Trump’s supporters. Many voters are reluctant to admit to a live interviewer that they back a candidate who has adopted such divisive positions.

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"Reluctant" is such a creative way to spell "ashamed".

And "divisive" is an interesting whitewash of "deplorable".
 
Maya22 said:
#givetrumpanickname is trending on Twitter.
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This is just another example how Trump infects people with his playground-bully antics. It's a fun game for bored twitter users, but I hope Hillary's campaign doesn't start to mirror Trump's.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren is deliberately trying to taunt Trump into displaying more childish behaviour. At some point even his own supporters will start to see it for what it is.
 
Ladewig said:
i just realized that if Donald Trump loses he is going to spend the rest of his life saying there was voter fraud.
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Oh, yeah, I see that one coming too. We already know his penchant for conspiracy theories. There will be "Trump Truthers" if he loses who believe that the the system is rigged. Hell, these theories are already out there:

http://theantimedia.org/ron-paul-elections-rigged-voting-pacify/

Somehow Ron Paul never seemed to have trouble getting reelected to congress though.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Yep, we're still patiently waiting for Crooked Hillary to release her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts, and the now gone-missing emails.

Americans are still undecided whether she should be given the nickname
'Crooked Hillary', or 'Hillary Rodham Nixon'; it's a toss-up.

#ReleaseTheTranscripts
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Do you support trump releasing his taxes like the rest of the candidates or not ? Simple question.
 
varwoche said:
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I have little doubt that Trump's return would be explosive. Barring a hack, we'll never see it.
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The Washington Post fact-checker calls his claim that there is nothing to learn from his tax returns a four-Pinocchio lie:
Trump falsely claims that voters would learn nothing from his tax returns. To the contrary, voters would learn a lot of information that Trump has long tried to hide from the public. Tax returns would help lift a veil of secrecy about Trump’s finances — and let voters know whether his claims about his wealth and charitable giving are true, or if he’s just a bombastic man behind the curtain akin to the Wizard of Oz.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...theres-nothing-to-learn-from-his-tax-returns/
 
Argumemnon said:
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Originally Posted by tyr_13
So, what are you asking evidence for, and what kind of evidence would satisfy you?
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Let's start by seeing some. I'm not asking for anecdotes, either. There are plenty of sexists in the world, so I'm sure you can find them. I'm asking for some sort of support for Ginger's claim.
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Huh, without examples of people doing as I claim, I don't know what other evidence there could possibly be. As you're opposed to the only thing that I could possibly use to prove a phenomenon extant, I'm still left wondering what evidence you would accept. I have to conclude that the answer is 'none'.

I don't know what Ginger's claim is as I haven't been closely reading her posts, but more importantly I don't know why I would have to provide evidence for her claim when I'm only attempting to support my own.

It's much like how some of the opposition to Obama had racist connotations and motives.
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I agree that some of Obama's opposition was racist, and I think much of it was, but it's hard to be sure because it's not like we have solid evidence; American politics has become so polarized that the GOP would probably oppose any Democrat as staunchly.
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Probably, but they wouldn't have used racism to do it. They also wouldn't have used racism if they didn't find racism to have some validity or effect with their supporters. At the very least, they didn't think it would hurt them much if at all with their allies. (Them being the subset that did so.) I don't think the sexism is any different. Some don't realize it's sexism, some do and find it acceptable or permissible. At least a few know and approve.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Excerpt from the article:

"There is also strong evidence that most traditional public opinion surveys inadvertently hide a segment of Trump’s supporters. Many voters are reluctant to admit to a live interviewer that they back a candidate who has adopted such divisive positions.

"In matchups between Trump and Hillary Clinton, Trump does much better in polls conducted online, in which respondents click their answers on a computer screen, rather than in person-to-person landline and cellphone surveys."


There is going to be an army of shocked and stunned individuals this coming November when the votes are all tallied.
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I agree there is a non-negligible effect.
I am unsure how large it is now as well as how large it will be in October.
 
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The Don said:
Meh ! Too many words to convince anyone who is Trump-leaning.

It's amazing to me how the bankruptcies, failed marriages, allegations about rape, communities ruined, flip-floppery on an industrial scale, barefaced lying and so forth don't seem have damaged him one jot....
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Well, all that stuff is being reported by the evil jealous media, so it can be ignored.
 
The Don said:
Meh ! Too many words to convince anyone who is Trump-leaning.

It's amazing to me how the bankruptcies, failed marriages, allegations about rape, communities ruined, flip-floppery on an industrial scale, barefaced lying and so forth don't seem have damaged him one jot....
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It's the Three Stooges Syndrome of politics:



Hillary Clinton sort of has it too, but after everything cancels out, the remainder is simply boring and grating. Whereas with Trump, it is entertaining and "greating."
 
tyr_13 said:
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I don't know what Ginger's claim is ...
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He wants more proof sexism and racism tinge claims, perceptions and accusations against Clinton, Warren and Obama.

Most recently he wants more proof that accusations against both Warren and Obama being less than qualified to attend/teach at Harvard were affected by sexist and racist perceptions.

I don't see any gain in pursuing such skeptical pedantery.
 
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Mader Levap said:
You don't understand. They already see what is Trump. And they like it.
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I think you may be on to something. Smarting off to Sunday-morning news hosts in a condescending and brusque manner, insulting debate moderators who ask reasonable and relevant questions that are also embarrassing , criticizing members of both parties for not using "good, old common sense," and unashamedly insisting that we are inherently and unapologetically better than every other country in the world.

That is what many Trump supporters want. Being married to a model and sleeping with other women is not a character flaw, it is a sign of awesomeness.

Trump could reach into his jacket and pull out a comically-oversized gun and say "from now on America is going to negotiate from a position of strength," and the crowd would cheer uncontrollably. Campaign contributions would double if he stood at the podium and said "And if any of those countries don't think I am serious [he fires a round into the ceiling] then they are going to get the biggest surprise of their lives!"
 
Slings and Arrows said:
I shouldn't have said "rock", Goofy Liz went back to her tepee after a long day of hunting buffalo.
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Buffalo? I thought Trump is more like the elephant in a China shop?
 
TofuFighter said:
This is just another example how Trump infects people with his playground-bully antics. It's a fun game for bored twitter users, but I hope Hillary's campaign doesn't start to mirror Trump's.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren is deliberately trying to taunt Trump into displaying more childish behaviour. At some point even his own supporters will start to see it for what it is.
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Mader Levap said:
You don't understand. They already see what is Trump. And they like it.
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They don't just like it; they love it. Guess who's supporters lost their collective minds over this poster?



That's right.



They also love calling people cucks which is an eye opening twitter tag to see the results for. #cucks
 
CNN has a live camera on the Trump jet "waiting for the take off". WTF, are they serious, we can't wait to see the newsworthy takeoffs and landings of his jet?

The insanity!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!

[turns channel to Cupcake Wars]
 
ddt said:
Buffalo? I thought Trump is more like the elephant bull in a China shop?
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Fixed the idiom for you. The elephant is the FBI email server investigation that's in the room with the bigwigs of the Democratic Party but which they're all studiously ignoring.
 
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