Hillary Clinton is Done: part 3

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This is a continuation from the previous thread which can be found here. As is usual, the split point is arbitrary and participants are free to quote from previous iterations of the thread into this one.
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I guess in all the wailing about the emails people missed that Hillary announced her new university initiative where students whose parents make less than $125000 a year will get free tuition. Also student loans will be deferred for a few months, interest free, to give those that owe on them a chance to catch up.
 
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Tony Stark said:
Slings and Arrows is back! Apparently he insanely still has hope for a Hillary indictment, he's just crazily moving on to the Clinton Foundation.

Hey, remember when you were so certain that she was going to be indicted for her emails? And you said she had to either plead the fifth, or lie to the FBI, either of which would have disasterous consequences for her? How did that work out for you?

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I'd love to see an answer to this, along with a a few well deserved mea culpas....
 
TheL8Elvis said:
I'd love to see an answer to this, along with a a few well deserved mea culpas....
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Silly goose. They're just retrenching [sort of like Custer was retrenching after Little Big Horn]. They've got their end game fantasies in place. Slings and Arrows is just the cavalry, set out to annoy the flanks of the advance of the Clinton juggernaut. This is a short-term distraction. After the Republican street riots in Cleveland, forty sweet old hippies isn't going to impress anyone.

Here's how it's gone so far:

Our last best hope is to make as big a stink about the speech transcripts as possible and the righteous citizenship will rally around Sanders and he'll sweep New Jersey and California. Oh, wait...

Our last best hope is that the Gowdey committee subpoenas Clinton and Obama and she breaks down in tears and says "I did it. I can't bear the guilt any more. I'm not fit to be President. No? Well, then...

Our last best hope is that Now She's In For It. She started messing with Trump and he'll just tear her apart. She's such an easy target he'll be leading by fifteen point before the conventions even start. Forgot about what an idiot Donald is, did we? Okay....

Our last best hope, better than all the other last best hopes, is that the FBI will do their patriotic duty and frogstep her off to prison and Comey will shout "Hail Hydra" in deference to the true direction of the GOP. No.... well we'll go with Plan B, C, D, E, F, our really really really best last best hope:

We'll play "Black Knight", ignoring the trouncing we're getting on every front and pretend that no one at the FBI, no one in the DoJ, no one in Congress, no one in the senior membership of the GOP, and in fact, no one other than Jesus knows what they're talking about. We're right because we planned to be right.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Hillary Clinton has only two options:

1) Plead the fifth

2) Perjury

Either one is guaranteed to have disastrous consequences.
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You have been incredibly wrong.

While I am not surprised that you are incredibly wrong, after all you were the same person who cited Pravada of all things to bitch about Hillary Clinton.

But in any event, you were incredibly wrong.

By the way: Wow! We are up to Part 3 of this thread and yet Hillary Clinton is still not done.

The way that things are going is that she will not be done until 20 JAN 2025.
 
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Crossbow said:
You have been incredibly wrong.

While I am not surprised that you are incredibly wrong, after all you were the same person who cited Pravada of all things to bitch about Hillary Clinton.

But in any event, you were incredibly wrong.

By the way: Wow! We are up to Part 3 of this thread and yet Hillary Clinton is still not done.

The way that things are going is that she will not be done until 20 JAN 2025.
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FBI Director Comey specifically says that Hillary did not lie to the FBI.

Do you anything to say about this Slings and Arrows?
 
Foolmewunz said:
We're up to page 1. May I have the honors?


So? Is she done, yet?
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Damnit! I missed the page 100. That's what I get for needing sleep. Curse this weak flesh. When can I transfer my consciousness to an immortal robotic form?

And yes, Clinton is totally done with the FBI investigation. So is the FBI. So is the DoJ. The only ones who aren't done with her are the Republicans and the HDSers.
 
RobRoy said:
Damnit! I missed the page 100. That's what I get for needing sleep. Curse this weak flesh. When can I transfer my consciousness to an immortal robotic form?

And yes, Clinton is totally done with the FBI investigation. So is the FBI. So is the DoJ. The only ones who aren't done with her are the Republicans and the HDSers.
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That is because as a Clinton, and a Democrat, she is automatically Guilty until proven Guilty. So investigations until the GOP have the result they want. The party of fiscal responsibility will continue to spend money because the first and other investigations did not have the outcome they wanted.
 
Ha ha. I find it funny that I have the OP in two versions of this thread now.
 
I just saw a Hillary ad. It was about how she has fought to get kids healthcare.

I had no idea she was running ads in Arizona. It would be so great if she manages to win it. And if John McCain goes down because of Trump.
 
Tony Stark said:
I just saw a Hillary ad. It was about how she has fought to get kids healthcare.

I had no idea she was running ads in Arizona. It would be so great if she manages to win it. And if John McCain goes down because of Trump.
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They are also running that ad in WA and we're not in play. Don't know but it could be to counter Sanders holdouts.
 
Tony Stark said:
I just saw a Hillary ad. It was about how she has fought to get kids healthcare.

I had no idea she was running ads in Arizona. It would be so great if she manages to win it. And if John McCain goes down because of Trump.
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Sorry for derail.... what's the AZ time limit to establish residency to vote in the GE? I'd planned to arrive this month but hit a couple of wrinkles with my wife's visa application. Every vote counts. I'm still thinking we get there Sep/Oct but it may be too late to register.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Sorry for derail.... what's the AZ time limit to establish residency to vote in the GE? I'd planned to arrive this month but hit a couple of wrinkles with my wife's visa application. Every vote counts. I'm still thinking we get there Sep/Oct but it may be too late to register.
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When I moved to AZ last year, I went to the MVD to get an AZ DL within the first week or so. I also registered to vote then. I had no problems at all. They didn't even ask for proof of address or anything. And looking it up, the deadline to register to vote in the GE is October 10th.
 
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slyjoe said:
Trump thinks WA is in play.
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He only thinks that because Bernie won big here in the Caucus over Hillary. But the difference between Bernie and Donald is the difference between day and night. No way do Bernie supporters join forces with Trump.

Washington State hasn't gone Red since 84 and Trump has no organization here. Something YUUUGE would have to happen for Trump to win here. But puhleease Donald, spend your money here. Then you might lose by only 20 points.
 
Trump thinks he can win California and New York too (though maybe smarter people talked him out of that?) He is a total moron.
 
Tony Stark said:
Trump thinks he can win California and New York too (though maybe smarter people talked him out of that?) He is a total moron.
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Let him spend money trying to win in both places. Ad buys in SF, LA and NY are the most expensive anywhere. He'll go broke trying to win in them.
 
Comey Won’t Answer Question About Clinton Foundation

Mr. Comey refused to answer a question from the committee chairman about whether the investigation the bureau conducted extended to the Clinton Foundation, which has faced questions about donations from foreign officials seeking to influence American policy.

“I’m not going to comment on the existence or nonexistence of other investigations,” he said.

“Was the Clinton Foundation tied into this investigation?” asked Mr. Chaffetz [chairman of the House Oversight Committee].

“I’m not going to answer that,” Mr. Comey said.

Read more:
http://www.nytimes.com/live/james-comey-testifies-before-congress/clinton-2 (July 7, 2016)
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"Director Comey refused to comment on the existence of a second FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

"Earlier this year, reports surfaced that federal investigators had expanded the probe to include possible “pay for play” allegations between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation. Director Comey was asked about this in the latter part of his testimony, but he declined to answer the question."

Reference:
6 Most Important Moments From James Comey’s Testimony on Clinton Investigation (July 7, 2016)
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"Director Comey refused to comment on the existence of a second FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

"Earlier this year, reports surfaced that federal investigators had expanded the probe to include possible “pay for play” allegations between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation. Director Comey was asked about this in the latter part of his testimony, but he declined to answer the question."

Reference:
6 Most Important Moments From James Comey’s Testimony on Clinton Investigation (July 7, 2016)
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Still holding on to the insane idea that their charity will be the silver bullet that finally takes out the Hildebeast I see, even though you turned out to be laughably wrong about emails.

LOL
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"Director Comey refused to comment on the existence of a second FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation.

"Earlier this year, reports surfaced that federal investigators had expanded the probe to include possible “pay for play” allegations between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation. Director Comey was asked about this in the latter part of his testimony, but he declined to answer the question."

Reference:
6 Most Important Moments From James Comey’s Testimony on Clinton Investigation (July 7, 2016)
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Tony Stark said:
FBI Director Comey specifically says that Hillary did not lie to the FBI.

Do you anything to say about this Slings and Arrows?
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So is that a no ? Do you also wish us to pretend you didn't post all the incorrect nonsense you did ?

BTW, how did all the guccifer and wikileaks emails work out for you ?
 
Perjury probe ahead for Clinton in email controversy

Hillary Clinton may soon face a second FBI investigation related to her private email use thanks to a criminal referral from congressional Republicans based on misstatements the former secretary of state made under oath.

During the Benghazi committee hearing in October, Clinton repeated several talking points about her emails that were exposed as falsehoods by Comey earlier this week and explored in greater detail at the oversight hearing Thursday.

When asked whether the FBI had looked at inconsistencies in Clinton's congressional testimony, Comey said the agency hadn't factored that hearing into its final decision because it hadn't received a referral from Congress to do so.

"You'll get one," Chaffetz replied.

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-clinton-in-email-controversy/article/2595936 (July 8, 2016)
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During a 2015 hearing on the Benghazi attack, Hillary Clinton told Congressman Jim Jordan that, "there was nothing marked classified on my emails, either sent or received." FBI Director James Comey refuted that statement Thursday, testifying that some emails on Clinton's server contained markings that indicated classified material.

U.S. Code 18, Section 1001 -- Statements or entries generally:

"Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or both."​
 
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Slings and Arrows said:
During a 2015 hearing on the Benghazi attack, Hillary Clinton told Congressman Jim Jordan that, "there was nothing marked classified on my emails, either sent or received." FBI Director James Comey refuted that statement Thursday, testifying that some emails on Clinton's server contained markings that indicated confidential material.
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Yeah, she's said it many, many times. It's practically a meme. But you also know that Comey described why this occurred:

The lawyers doing the sorting for Secretary Clinton in 2014 did not individually read the content of all of her emails as we did for those available to us. Instead, they relied on header information and they used search terms to try to find all work-related emails among the reportedly more than 60,000 that were remaining on her system at the end of 2014. It’s highly likely that their search missed some work-related emails and that we later found them, for example in the mailboxes of other officials or in the slack space of a server.​

Clinton reported what she'd been advised by her attorneys. That's not a lie.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
During a 2015 hearing on the Benghazi attack, Hillary Clinton told Congressman Jim Jordan that, "there was nothing marked classified on my emails, either sent or received." FBI Director James Comey refuted that statement Thursday, testifying that some emails on Clinton's server contained markings that indicated classified material.

U.S. Code 18, Section 1001 -- Statements or entries generally:

"Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or both."​
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I am glad that the people at the FBI know more about word of the law, the practice of the law, and the intent of the law than you do.
 
RobRoy said:
Clinton reported what she'd been advised by her attorneys. That's not a lie.
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Hillary Clinton read the emails herself -- emails that had been clearly marked classified. She then lied to Congress, claiming she had never sent or received any emails that contained classified information.

This development means there is still a possibility that she may be indicted for perjury.

Also, indictments regarding the Clinton Foundation are still a realistic possibility.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
So is that a no ? Do you also wish us to pretend you didn't post all the incorrect nonsense you did ?

BTW, how did all the guccifer and wikileaks emails work out for you ?
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Slings and Arrows said:
During a 2015 hearing on the Benghazi attack, Hillary Clinton told Congressman Jim Jordan that, "there was nothing marked classified on my emails, either sent or received." FBI Director James Comey refuted that statement Thursday, testifying that some emails on Clinton's server contained markings that indicated classified material.

U.S. Code 18, Section 1001 -- Statements or entries generally:

"Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or both."​
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Look, another one you will be wrong about. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Hillary Clinton read the emails herself -- emails that had been clearly marked classified. She then lied to Congress, claiming she had never sent or received any emails that contained classified information.

This development means there is still a possibility that she may be indicted for perjury.
Also, indictments regarding the Clinton Foundation are still a realistic possibility.
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Wrong again, all counts.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Hillary Clinton read the emails herself -- emails that had been clearly marked classified. She then lied to Congress, claiming she had never sent or received any emails that contained classified information.

This development means there is still a possibility that she may be indicted for perjury.

Also, indictments regarding the Clinton Foundation are still a realistic possibility.
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<gaping yawn> We're past the point where any and everything you post/predict should be assumed to be false/implausible.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Hillary Clinton read the emails herself -- emails that had been clearly marked classified. She then lied to Congress, claiming she had never sent or received any emails that contained classified information.
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So you're calling FBI Director Comey a liar? Yes, I will certainly give this the consideration it is due.

This development means there is still a possibility that she may be indicted for perjury.
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There's no development. But if you'd like to put money on it, I'm happy to give you odds again. However, this time, I will be collecting. :D
 
RobRoy said:
Yeah, she's said it many, many times. It's practically a meme. But you also know that Comey described why this occurred:

The lawyers doing the sorting for Secretary Clinton in 2014 did not individually read the content of all of her emails as we did for those available to us. Instead, they relied on header information and they used search terms to try to find all work-related emails among the reportedly more than 60,000 that were remaining on her system at the end of 2014. It’s highly likely that their search missed some work-related emails and that we later found them, for example in the mailboxes of other officials or in the slack space of a server.​

Clinton reported what she'd been advised by her attorneys. That's not a lie.
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Did you mean to post that quote because it makes NO SENSE.

The lawyers did the review in 2014. The marked emails were sent to Clinton before 2013. You appear to be conflating two different issues/lies:

1. Hillary's lie that the emails were not marked
2. Hillary's lie that all of her work related emails had been turned over.
 
RobRoy said:
So you're calling FBI Director Comey a liar?
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No.

"When asked whether the FBI had looked at inconsistencies in Clinton's congressional testimony, Comey said the agency hadn't factored that hearing into its final decision because it hadn't received a referral from Congress to do so."

But if you'd like to put money on it, I'm happy to give you odds again.
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What odds are you offering?
 
Oh yay, it looks like the Republicans have another "scandal" to investigate and re-investigate over and over and over again long past the point of viabiliaty, not to mention long past anyone who isn't a partisan hack giving a **** one way or the other.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
No.

"When asked whether the FBI had looked at inconsistencies in Clinton's congressional testimony, Comey said the agency hadn't factored that hearing into its final decision because it hadn't received a referral from Congress to do so."
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Oh, I see where you're going with this. I'll ignore the spots where you conflate the two issues. To be clear, you're saying that because the Republicans are threatening new action, you believe this will result in a perjury indictment, is that correct?

What odds are you offering?
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Provided I've interpreted what you're actually saying correctly—perjury indictment—I'll give the same odds as before: 10-1 that Clinton will not be indicted on perjury. You game?
 
RobRoy said:
I did and it does. I understand it doesn't suit your world view, but dems da facts!
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My world view is based on the fact that a marked email was sent to Hillary by Monica Hanley on Monday April 9, 2012.

Your world view is based on a claim that Hillary's lawyers did a key word search on emails in 2014.

Mine makes sense.... yours? Not at all.

Those are, as they say, the facts.
 
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