What happened to all the TRUITHERS?

njslim

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Looking at this forum and others have noticed that the truthers who used to
plague us with their insanity have totally disappeared

I Mean like totally gone......

What happened...?? Did they suddenly see the light and leave mommy's
basement (or get thrown out....) . Did they get a real job and <gulp> get a
real live girlfriend (not a blow up doll...) ???

Any opinions ??
 
It's been 15 years. Most of them just got tired of their game.
 
Any idiot can check out the facts online. So if they get told it was controlled demolition soon find something that shows it was not. Soon there were no more open minded people who thought there were unanswered questions. The rest, as Mark6 said, grew tired of talking to themselves and grew up. Now the world is a little bit better place.

Now the latest craze is to go to places like Syria and try to kill those who are in the NWO.
 
They dissolved like a giant Berocca.
Their arguments turned out to be nothing but gas
 
njslim said:
Looking at this forum and others have noticed that the truthers who used to
plague us with their insanity have totally disappeared

I Mean like totally gone......

What happened...?? Did they suddenly see the light and leave mommy's
basement (or get thrown out....) . Did they get a real job and <gulp> get a
real live girlfriend (not a blow up doll...) ???

Any opinions ??
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The truth movement was intentionally flooded with disinformation and lies in order to discredit that movement and it worked and now, truthers are now fighting among themselves. Disinformation has made such a mockery of the truth movment that many truthers eventually realized they were being duped and I assumed that other truthers had second thoughts when they were asked to send donations.
 
Disinformation is to truth movement what false gods are to religion.
 
Mark6 said:
Disinformation is to truth movement what false gods are to religion.
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I was amazed that Truthers were reposting disinformation that I knew was such.

For an example, in another forum, I posted a reference to a hoaxed video depicting false demolition explosions in WTC 7 and not long afterward, a Truther posted that same hoaxed video as his evidence that demolition explosives were used to demolish WTC 7 and shortly after that, another Truther posted that same video as his evidence, all within the same week. Here is that hoaxed video.


They Fell For My Hoax 9/11 Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8VAsoVuShM


Truthers, especially anti-government Truthers, are vulnerable to such disinformation. Rob Balsamo of Pilots for 911 Truth, has misled Truthers with false and misleading information and as a result, I have confronted him on another message board as he posted under another identify. I once questioned whether he was a real pilot considering the number of missteps and mistakes he'd committed until another poster confirmed that he was a real pilot.
 
skyeagle409 said:
... Rob Balsamo of Pilots for 911 Truth, has misled Truthers with false and misleading information and as a result, I have confronted him on another message board as he posted under another identify. I once questioned whether he was a real pilot considering the number of missteps and mistakes he'd committed until another poster confirmed that he was a real pilot.
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Balsamo, he is trying to make money from idiots, or has overwhelming ignorance.
 
beachnut said:
Balsamo, he is trying to make money from idiots, or has overwhelming ignorance.
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Balsamo, he is trying to make money from idiots, or has overwhelming ignorance.
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You've got that right!! It was difficult for me to understand how a commercial pilot could blunder so badly on ACARS and he continued with his blunders that included American 77. I would like for him to visit Travis AFB and have him watch the C-5 and the C-17 as they perform their 360 degree tactical landing maneuvers from 10,000 feet without exceeding 2 Gs. Perhaps, that will slam a measure of reality into him in regard to his FALSE claim that American 77 could not have performed its maneuver without exceeding its structural limitations before slamming into the Pentagon because he would have a bit of difficulty explaining how larger aircraft can perform the maneuver from even higher altitudes in the same time frame wihout exceeding their structual limitations.

Air Force flight safety and air traffic personnel from Travis AFB were my guest speakers during one of my chapter meetings last week and they briefed my pilots on those tactical maneuvers since we fly in the vincinity of the air base. In addition, they briefed us on other safety-related issues and airspace information.

I lead two aviation chapters in California and began flight training in 1969 and became aware that there were certain people who were deliberately planting disinformation. In other words, what they were posting did not reflect reality regarding the aircraft of 9/11 and the real world of aviaition and there were Truthers who were taking their baits and running away with it.
 
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skyeagle409 said:
You've got that right!! It was difficult for me to understand how a commercial pilot could blunder so badly on ACARS and he continued with his blunders that included American 77. I would like for him to visit Travis AFB and have him watch the C-5 and the C-17 as they perform their 360 degree tactical landing maneuvers from 10,000 feet without exceeding 2 Gs. Perhaps, that will slam a measure of reality into him in regard to his FALSE claim that American 77 could not have performed its maneuver without exceeding its structural limitations before slamming into the Pentagon because he would have a bit of difficulty explaining how larger aircraft can perform the maneuver from even higher altitudes in the same time frame wihout exceeding their structual limitations.

Air Force flight safety and air traffic personnel from Travis AFB were my guest speakers during one of my chapter meetings last week and they briefed my pilots on those tactical maneuvers since we fly in the vincinity of the air base. In addition, they briefed us on other safety-related issues and airspace information.

I lead two aviation chapters in California and began flight training in 1969 and became aware that there were certain people who were deliberately planting disinformation. In other words, what they were posting did not reflect reality regarding the aircraft of 9/11 and the real world of aviaition and there were Truthers who were taking their baits and running away with it.
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Good ACARS discussion here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224926&highlight=Acars

Educational.
 
The thing that bugs me about the Truthers is that the ones who have left have never done so because they did some actual research and concluded that Trutherism was just so much hot air. Some actual research such as interviewing FDNY and other emergency personnel whose testimony has been twisted by Truthers to support "controlled demolition".

If they'd done that and said, "I've interviewed them, and they don't believe in demolition charges or any kind of 'inside jobby', so I'm leaving the movement", then fine. But most of them just drifted away. I'm talking about folks like "Arabesque" and Russell Pickering, who were at least sane enough to realize that "Pentagon hit by missile" was sheer twaddle, and were driven away by attacks from the real nutters. Pickering used to post here, and AFAIK is still a member.
 
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Rob Balsamo is a con artist to say the least. Ask him about the claim that the airfones of American 77 were deactivated during the 9/11 terrorist attack, and then, have him explain why he didn't bother to call American Airlines before he issued that false claim.

Why was Rob Balsamo unware of the following ECO (FO8710) documentation? Remember, the year of 9/11 was 2001, but look at the year when the airfones were deactivated. All he had to do was to call Amerrican Airlines!


http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z204/CaptainObvious2007/F0871.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z204/CaptainObvious2007/list.jpg


Just another example how Balsamo has duped Truthers.


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Redwood said:
The thing that bugs me about the Truthers is that the ones who have left have never done so because they did some actual research and concluded that Trutherism was just so much hot air. Some actual research such as interviewing FDNY and other emergency personnel whose testimony has been twisted by Truthers to support "controlled demolition".

If they'd done that and said, "I've interviewed them, and they don't believe in demolition charges or any kind of 'inside jobby', so I'm leaving the movement", then fine. But most of them just drifted away. I'm talking about folks like "Arabesque" and Russell Pickering, who were at least sane enough to realize that "Pentagon hit by missile" was sheer twaddle, and were driven away by attacks from the real nutters. Pickering used to post here, and AFAIK is still a member.
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According to Truthers the FDNY/NYPD were in on the plot - or that everyone
has been threatened into silence
 
njslim said:
According to Truthers the FDNY/NYPD were in on the plot - or that everyone
has been threatened into silence
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Mentally speaking, Truthers think they are as sharp as a tack when in realitly, they are as sharp as a bowling ball.
 
A few causes, in a rough order of cause (IMHO of course):

1) Bush leaving the presidency: A lot of truthers were mainlining pure, uncut Bush Derangement Syndrome. And while W certainly was a poor president, the change to Obama took a lot of wind out of people's sails.

2) Debunking efforts: While a lot of it was shouting at the crazies, the fence sitters could probably see with more clarity than any other major conspiracy theory prior to 9/11. Entire websites might have been devoted to the truther craziness, but also to debunking the nonsense. It kept the crazy from spreading and turned Trutherism into a bad Meme ("Jet Fuel can't melt steel beams!")

3) Older & Wiser: A lot of the yougner truthers grew up and got over it. Even Dyaln Avery doesn't subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Sooner or later your older mind looks at what you are proposing and realizes how idiotic it is, and the age for saying something could be done because you saw it in a movie once goes bye-bye.

4) Sobering up: OK, I've heard from more than one reformed truther that they moved away from thrutherism when they stopped smkoing so much pot. I don't know how much they were taking but its seems like a *lot* compared to average tokers.

5) Crass Commercialism: *all* the major players in Trutherism have their hand out. Maybe its for a badly written & researched book, but more often it is for donations to 'fight the good fight'. In addition to the professional truthers there are more than a few donation requests Truthers tried that fell by the wayside. In addition large numbers of local truther groups had horrid and corrupt bookkeeping. That has to be disheartening

6) Eating itself: Since truthers couldn't beat 'the system' or us eevil debunkers (lets remember: they once voted that a Tour Guide was their worst enemy) they went after an enemy they could defeat: each other. The amount of infighting after the truther 'peak' was laughable.

7) Upping the crazy: To make a name for yourself in any conspiracy, you have to work really hard at promotion or come up with ideas that are different. In the case of 9/11 the different ideas mean 'crazier crap than the last guy'. Soon you have people trying to outdo each other with Pentagon flyovers, Space Beams, Mini-nukes, and Vicsim. Eventually all but the mega-cranks will get disguisted and leave.
 
Where have all the trutherrs gone, long time passing?
Where have all the truthers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the truthers gone?
Debunked them, every one.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Sorry Pete Seeger
 
At granddaddy of conspiracy sites ABOVE TOP SECRET has not been a post
in a week at the 9/11 forum

Could be that MODS enforcing rule against starting new threads and having people post in existing threads has scared off the crazies

Apparently done beating a dead horse .......
 
jaydeehess said:
Where have all the trutherrs gone, long time passing?
Where have all the truthers gone, long time ago?
Where have all the truthers gone?
Debunked them, every one.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

Sorry Pete Seeger
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Friendly hint, to scan it should be "We debunked them ev'ry one."
Only other fix to keep the word choices requires making debunked 3 syllables instead of two. And would not sound that well......
 
Because it's the same old tired tricks over and over again. It took me a few months to start instinctively listing them all in my head when I see them. I can't imagine how dull it is for people who have been arguing on here for years.
 
MicahJava said:
Because it's the same old tired tricks over and over again. It took me a few months to start instinctively listing them all in my head when I see them. I can't imagine how dull it is for people who have been arguing on here for years.
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Yeah, like bringing up garbage like iron-rich microspheres again, especially on the wrong thread.
 
after 15 years of lies, some 9/11 truth movement believers in CD, might get rational and wake up...

If not we have a bunch of nuts who will buy failed insurance policies... or will buy the Brooklyn Bridge, again
 
As Mark6 says, it's been 15 years. Even the most hardcore 'truther' must realise deep down, nothings going to change.

Any new investigation would still find that terrorists did it, because terrorists did it.
 
Airfix said:
As Mark6 says, it's been 15 years. Even the most hardcore 'truther' must realise deep down, nothings going to change.

Any new investigation would still find that terrorists did it, because terrorists did it.
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Any investigation will find that several Apollo missions actually landed on the Moon and returned.

Any new investigation will find that Lee Oswald shot and killed John Kennedy.

Yet for some very odd quirk in the variation of human cognizance, people continue to argue the contrary.
 
fuelair said:
Friendly hint, to scan it should be "We debunked them ev'ry one."
Only other fix to keep the word choices requires making debunked 3 syllables instead of two. And would not sound that well......
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Thanks, I was trying to figure out how to include another syllable. The obvious choice "They were debunked them..." was too many syllables and an odd phrasing. I sang it to myself as a 3 syllable "debunked"
 
kookbreaker said:
A few causes, in a rough order of cause (IMHO of course):
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It's also possible that some Truthers finally realized they are not going to convince anyone on this board (after all most of us are brainwashed, sheeple and paid disinformation agents) and grew bored of writing the same things over and over.
 
They are out in force on Facebook. Go to the History channel page and read the comments.
 
njslim said:
Looking at this forum and others have noticed that the truthers who used to
plague us with their insanity have totally disappeared

I Mean like totally gone......

What happened...?? Did they suddenly see the light and leave mommy's
basement (or get thrown out....) . Did they get a real job and <gulp> get a
real live girlfriend (not a blow up doll...) ???

Any opinions ??
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I think this entire forum is facing what I would call serious "Truther Obsession disorder syndrome". I have never seen any forum so obsessively focused on other people instead of on real facts gathered by real research.

These so called 9/11 Truthers, "the twoffs" as they are all referred to on this forum, are all either crazy, have some other major mental disorder, or will believe anything with no facts to back up their beliefs.

They have absolutely no facts to back up their narrative that something other than the planes and resultant fires caused the building to come down on 9/11. Some even think that reptilian like space aliens brought these buildings down, now that's a real winner. But to argue with these people who are either crazy or will believe anything with no facts is even crazier!

To do this after 15 years have gone by is really crazy and shows serious signs of what I would call "Very Severe Truther Obsession disorder syndrome". Maybe people on this forum can take a pill to recover from this very serious and self-destructive syndrome, who knows?
 
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paloalto said:
I think this entire forum is facing what I would
call serious "Truther Obsession disorder syndrome".
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I think you're right. When Truthers all go away for a goodly spell we debunkers post provocative stuff just to lure them back. We even provoke disagreements among ourselves.

So, good point, well made!
 
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