A Guide for the Undecided. Brief Analysis of Common Theories Part 3: Flight 93

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The saga continues.

This is an analysis of theories surrounding Flight 93 in 9/11. This analysis is not taking into account every single small theory. This is a collection of most common theories and their explanations.

I have again included an "In Brief" section to each theory.

Here goes part 3: Flight 93



Flight 93

  • Claim: Flight 93 landed in Cleveland
Discussed here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_in_cleveland.html
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
http://www.freetimes.com/story/681
In Brief: Liz Foreman, whose name was attached to this story, tried to clear it up in February 2006: “The story in question, an Associated Press bulletin, was posted on WCPO.com during the morning of September 11, 2001. The story stated that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland. This was not true.
Once the AP issued a retraction a few minutes later, we removed the link. I only removed the link TO the story. We did not remove the story itself. This was my error probably due to the busy nature of the day.”

One plane landed in Cleveland, Delta Flight 1989, which was first misidentified as Flight 93. The other mystery plane, a KC-135, only returned to the hangar.

Vernon "Bill" Wessel, the director of safety and mission assurance at NASA Glenn reports the following:
“A KC-135 had to come back to the hangar," says Wessel, as if realizing for the first time that this aircraft may have caused some undue confusion. A team of scientists from the Johnson Space Center in Houston had flown to Cleveland on this KC-135 to conduct micro-gravity experiments. The visiting scientists could not return to Houston as scheduled on 9/11 once the FAA ordered all planes to land. "After the facility closed, we had to take those scientists to a hotel." The scientists, dressed as civilians, were boarded onto shuttle buses.
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  • Claim: Seismology reports indicated a crash time 10:06, 3 minutes later than the official time.
Discussed here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_seismology.html
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
In Brief: The initial seismic report claiming the time 10:06 was from 2002. The Commission had this to say:

“The seismic data on which they based this estimate are far too weak in signal-to-noise ratio and far too speculative in terms of signal source to be used as a means of contradicting the impact time established by the very accurate combination of FDR, CVR, ATC, radar, and impact site data sets. These data sets constrain United 93's impact time to within 1 second, are airplane- and crash-site specific, and are based on time codes automatically recorded in the ATC audiotapes for the FAA centers and correlated with each data set in a process internationally accepted within the aviation accident investigation community. Furthermore, one of the study's principal authors now concedes that "seismic data is not definitive for the impact of UA 93.”

There are no reports of the authors of the original seismic report having disputed this conclusion.
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  • Claim: Flight 93 was shot down. Debris was found miles from the crash site.
Discussed here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=7
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=8
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/flight/producer/producer.html
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=Indian_Lake
In Brief: There was a white jet in the vicinity of Flight 93--a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C. The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on. The only military plane in the vicinity of the crash site was an unarmed C-130 cargo plane. The cargo plane was returning to Minnesota before Flight 93 crashed and was flying at 24,000 feet about 17 miles from the crash site.

A fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, just over 300 yards south of the crash site, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was travelling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground" says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert.

Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheet metal landed in Indian lake. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater, easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash.

If a missile had hit Flight 93, there would have been more evidence of it and a much larger heavy debris area.
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  • Claim: The phone calls from Flight 93 were fake, cell phones could not have worked.
Discussed here:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=United_Airlines_Flight_93_-_Phone_calls
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=Cell_phones
http://www.911myths.com/html/the_9_11_calls_weren_t_real.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
In Brief: Ten passengers and two crew members were able to make calls that went through. All but two of them were airphone calls. Only two phone calls, one by Edward Felt and one by flight attendant CeeCee Lyles, came from cell phones — both at 9:58 a.m, shortly before the plane crashed. At this point, the aircraft was ~5,000 feet above sea level. They worked.
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  • Claim: There were no bodies.
Discussed here:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=8
http://www.freetimes.com/story/681
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011027flight931027p5.asp
http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml
In Brief: 102 DNA analysts took over the difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County crash as well.

Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, says human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site.

He also states:
“There were pieces of people. Trust me. I cleaned it up. The plane hit the ground doing 575 miles per hour. The rest of the remains were vaporized on impact. But we did ID everyone onboard.
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  • Claim: The impact hole was way too small for an aircraft.
Discussed here:
http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_eyewitness.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_photos.html
http://www.freetimes.com/story/681
In Brief: Multiple eyewitnesses saw an airplane. Everyone onboard was identified by DNA. Lots of plane debris and both black boxes were found. Is there any question anymore?

Again, as in the case of Pentagon, the speed of the plane was very high. One shouldn’t expect to see an almost intact fuselage. Everything breaks into small pieces with huge impact forces.
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  • Claim: The Val McClatchey smoke plume photo is fake.
Discussed here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61633
In Brief: That whole claim and analysis is made by one single person, who lives a conspiracy life and has no actual photo analysing skills or training. The claim has zero substance.
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  • Claim: Mark Bingham called his mom and used his full name. That must be fake.
Discussed here:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/08/mom-this-is-mark-bingham.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/mom__this_is_mark_bingham.html
In Brief: Mark’s mom says the following in a Discovery Channel “The Flight That Fought Back” documentary:
“Once in a while he would say that. He would call up, and he was, he was a young businessman, and used to, used to introduce himself on phone as Mark Bingham, and he was trying to be, uh, strong, and level-headed, and, and strictly business.”
http://www.911myths.com/Hoglan.avi
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Recommended reading for the interested:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
http://www.911myths.com/
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=United_Airlines_Flight_93
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?


See also:
A Guide for the Undecided. Brief Analysis of Common Theories Part 1: WTC
A Guide for the Undecided. Brief Analysis of Common Theories Part 2: The Pentagon

 
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Once again, fantastic as usual. We definitely need to collect these, and sticky them all together as an easy reference to send the Woo when they come.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Once again, fantastic as usual. We definitely need to collect these, and sticky them all together as an easy reference to send the Woo when they come.

TAM:)
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That's the plan :) one or two more parts are still to come. The these can be collected together all in one.
 
At the BAFTA awards last week the film "UNITED 93" won the award for
best director. While I hope it will do as well at the Oscars, I rather doubt
it given the recent history.
 
Killtown seems to have a problem with me not even addressing his claims.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4760

For your knowledge KT, your claims have nothing. I included a link to a thread that debunks everything you said. I don't have to do it again. It is enough to say, that do not even bother to think about that claim.

You didn't seem to have a problem with any other point in this thread, did you?
 
Sorry Dude, like the so call "truthers" you are using half truth and you are doiing a lot a mistake and you are quoting a nice damage control call 911myths.

Let's start slowly with the time of the crash.

10:03 really? every radar data point there right?

The seismic data are irrelevant nothing else could corroberate it?

"Are you guys ready? Let's roll," he said.

Honor Wainio was still on the line with her stepmother.

"I need to go," she said. "They're getting ready to break into the cockpit. I love you. Goodbye."

"Everyone's running to first class," Sandy Bradshaw told her husband. "I've got to go. Bye."

CeeCee Lyles let out a scream.

"They're doing it! They're doing it! They're doing it!" she said. Lorne Lyles heard a scream. Then his wife said something he couldn't understand. Then the line went dead.

Forty-five seconds after telling Fritz to evacuate the Johnstown tower, Cleveland Air Traffic Control phoned again.

"They said to disregard. The aircraft had turned to the south and they lost radar contact with him."

It was 10:06 a.m.

Fritz and Hull studied the horizon to the south. They couldn't see a thing.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp

Damn, this newspaper must be a conspiracist :boggled: :confused:
 
tabouere said:
Sorry Dude, like the so call "truthers" you are using half truth and you are doiing a lot a mistake and you are quoting a nice damage control call 911myths.

Let's start slowly with the time of the crash.

10:03 really? every radar data point there right?

The seismic data are irrelevant nothing else could corroberate it?



http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp

Damn, this newspaper must be a conspiracist :boggled: :confused:
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:rolleyes:

Has it ever occurred to you that this article pre-dates the NTSB's analysis of the FDR, and their time is based on the same faulty seismic data?

Are you even trying?

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
:rolleyes:

Has it ever occurred to you that this article pre-dates the NTSB's analysis of the FDR, and their time is based on the same faulty seismic data?

Are you even trying?

-Gumboot
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Yep it preceed the OFFICIAL REVISION :cool:

But it's based on radar data.

Cannot read?

"They said to disregard. The aircraft had turned to the south and they lost radar contact with him."

It was 10:06 a.m.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp

Tell me one thing, why there's no voice of the heroes recorded on the voice data recorder?
 
tabouere said:
Yep it preceed the OFFICIAL REVISION :cool:

But it's based on radar data.

Cannot read?


http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp

Tell me one thing, why there's no voice of the heroes recorded on the voice data recorder?
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What are you talking about?

You argue time, what time is it now. Who set your clock? Time? You are using newspapers to fix the time 93 hit? What time was the FDR set to? What time was the other stuff set to? When I look to the kitchen clock it reads 11:59:33 OMB the computer is showing 11:59:47, which one is right, or has a time warp taken over my home. Is it in the past in the kitchen or the future in the living room computer NWO master projection computer screen 7?

When you can produce a well researched time analysis show how each clock was set and what your evidence means, then you could have something.
 
tabouere said:
Yep it preceed the OFFICIAL REVISION :cool:
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Er... it preceded all the evidence. First reports are often wrong.




tabouere said:
But it's based on radar data.

Cannot read?
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Um, no it's not. That series of events is from Denis Fritz, supervisor at Johnstown-Cambria County Airport.

The timeline from the article:

Sometime shortly before 10 a.m., the direct line from Cleveland Air Traffic Control rang inside the control tower at Johnstown-Cambria County Airport, 70 miles east of Pittsburgh.
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Ninety seconds later, Cleveland called back. The plane was now 15 miles south and heading directly for the Johnstown tower.

"We suggest you evacuate," they told him.

Fritz ordered trainees and custodial staff out of the 85-foot tower.
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Forty-five seconds after telling Fritz to evacuate the Johnstown tower, Cleveland Air Traffic Control phoned again.

"They said to disregard. The aircraft had turned to the south and they lost radar contact with him."
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So 135 seconds (less than two minutes) after "sometime shortly before 10am" Cleveland told them the plane had crashed.

Allowing time for the conversations... we get pretty darn close to 1003. Certainly not 1006. Those times, 45 seconds, 90 seconds, that's rather precise.

Was it based on radar?

Supervisor Dennis Fritz and controller Thomas Hull picked up binoculars -- the tower has no radar -- and scanned the horizon to the south.
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Here's what happened:

The journalists interviewed Mr Fritz. He told them his series of events - with specific and precise intervals between phone calls that occurred at and around 10am.

The reports put this into their report, combined with the initially released crash time of 1006 based on seismic records. They failed to realise that Fritz' testimony refutes this 1006 time - after all the 1006 time was the official time of crash.

Later, once the NTSB had processed the FDR, the crash time was amended to 1003 - which just so happens to match Fritz' testimony.


tabouere said:
Tell me one thing, why there's no voice of the heroes recorded on the voice data recorder?
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Because they weren't in the cockpit. By the way it's the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) and Flight Data Recorder (FDR).

You really aren't trying, are you?

-Gumboot
 
tabouere said:
Sorry Dude, like the so call "truthers" you are using half truth and you are doiing a lot a mistake and you are quoting a nice damage control call 911myths.

Let's start slowly with the time of the crash.

10:03 really? every radar data point there right?

The seismic data are irrelevant nothing else could corroberate it?



http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp

Damn, this newspaper must be a conspiracist :boggled: :confused:
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Is the 10:06 value confirmed to be UTC synchronized? If so, what is the margin of error on the device from which that timestamp was taken?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Is the 10:06 value confirmed to be UTC synchronized? If so, what is the margin of error on the device from which that timestamp was taken?
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The article doesn't indicate where their 10:06 time came from.

It quite obviously didn't come from Denis Fritz, much as tabouere might like to think it did.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
Er... it preceded all the evidence. First reports are often wrong.







Um, no it's not. That series of events is from Denis Fritz, supervisor at Johnstown-Cambria County Airport.

The timeline from the article:






So 135 seconds (less than two minutes) after "sometime shortly before 10am" Cleveland told them the plane had crashed.

Allowing time for the conversations... we get pretty darn close to 1003. Certainly not 1006. Those times, 45 seconds, 90 seconds, that's rather precise.

Was it based on radar?



Here's what happened:

The journalists interviewed Mr Fritz. He told them his series of events - with specific and precise intervals between phone calls that occurred at and around 10am.

The reports put this into their report, combined with the initially released crash time of 1006 based on seismic records. They failed to realise that Fritz' testimony refutes this 1006 time - after all the 1006 time was the official time of crash.

Later, once the NTSB had processed the FDR, the crash time was amended to 1003 - which just so happens to match Fritz' testimony.





Because they weren't in the cockpit. By the way it's the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) and Flight Data Recorder (FDR).

You really aren't trying, are you?

-Gumboot
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It's easy to say all data point to 10:03 without proving it.

Why it crash if the heroes did'nt break in the cockpit?
 
tabouere said:
Why it crash if the heroes did'nt break in the cockpit?
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And this is how all of these boil down.

Twoofer makes claims.

Claims are debunked, point by point.

Twoofer then makes a final brilliant statement like, "Why it crash if the heroes did'nt break in the cockpit?"

Why do we even bother?
 
Calcas said:
And this is how all of these boil down.

Twoofer makes claims.

Claims are debunked, point by point.

Twoofer then makes a final brilliant statement like, "Why it crash if the heroes did'nt break in the cockpit?"

Why do we even bother?
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Do it debunk it?

Insult is not an answer.

Why the plane crash if the heroes don't break in the cockpit?
 
tabouere said:
It's easy to say all data point to 10:03 without proving it.
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It has been proved. 10:03 is the time on the FDR, and is the time confirmed by radar data. This has all been publicly stated by the NTSB, who are the civil authority responsible for investigating air crashes.

The ATC recording is available here and the NTSB's analysis of the FDR is available here.

A transcript of the CVR is available here.


tabouere said:
Why it crash if the heroes did'nt break in the cockpit?
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Have you actually read the transcript of the CVR?

The hijackers crashed the aircraft intentionally to prevent the passengers taking control.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
It has been proved. 10:03 is the time on the FDR, and is the time confirmed by radar data. This has all been publicly stated by the NTSB, who are the civil authority responsible for investigating air crashes.

The ATC recording is available here and the NTSB's analysis of the FDR is available here.

A transcript of the CVR is available here.




Have you actually read the transcript of the CVR?

The hijackers crashed the aircraft intentionally to prevent the passengers taking control.

-Gumboot
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No trace of heroes on CVR

Ill take a look at the ntsb story
 
tabouere said:
Do it debunk it?

Insult is not an answer.

Why the plane crash if the heroes don't break in the cockpit?
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The terrorist are afraid and crashed the plane before the guys beat the living daylights out of them, the killers!

The idiots flying the plane decided to crash the plane, they are not very smart in the first place, they are going to kill themselves for 72 virgins. When the passengers get them they will be beat up, they are chicken, they decide to crash the plane.

The CVR pretty much proves there were terrorist on board flying the plane, and they flew the plane into the ground. If they had been shot down they would have said who shot us down. If they were not terrorist they would not be talking in Arabic.

What is your master story of flight 93? Why do you shame the heroes on 93? Why are you doing this? Why are truthers so disrespectful and not using every effort to understand before repeating lies over and over again?
 
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tabouere said:
No trace of heroes on CVR

Ill take a look at the ntsb story
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Your obviously sarcastic use of 'heros' is geting me a lil riled up. :mad:

It's pretty obvious by the transcript the hijackers were concerned that they were about to lose control of the aircraft. the families of the passengers have heard the tape. They heard the tapes

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In the cockpit! In the cockpit!" the passengers are heard yelling, according to Alice Hoglan of Los Gatos, Calif., who was among family members permitted to listen to the cockpit recording. Her son, Mark Bingham, died in the crash. She said the recording and a transcript the FBI provided to her and other families "doesn't leave very much doubt at all that passengers were able to get that cockpit door open."

The same cockpit recording was played privately in April 2002 for family members of victims aboard Flight 93, and the FBI also provided them with its best effort at producing an understandable transcript. Some family members believe passengers used a food cart as a shield and successfully broke into the cockpit.

"It is totally obvious listening to that flight recorder that they made it into the cockpit," said Deena Burnett, who lost her husband, Thomas E. Burnett Jr., on Flight 93. "You cannot listen to the tape and understand it any other way."
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-08-07-flight-93_x.htm

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/19/rec.flight.93.families/index.html
 
tabouere said:
No trace of heroes on CVR

Ill take a look at the ntsb story
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From http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200056T.pdf
starting pg 6
(bold = translation from Arabic)
Time(EDT)|Transcript
09:58:55| In the cockpit.
09:58:57| In the cockpit.
09:58:57| They want to get in there. Hold, hold from the inside. Hold from the inside. Hold
09:59:04| Hold the door.
09:59:09| Stop him .
09:59:11| Sit Down.
09:59:13| Sit Down.
09:59:15| Sit Down.
09:59:16|Unintelligible
09:59:17| What?
09:59:18| There are some guys. All those guys.
09:59:20| Let's get them.
09:59:25| Sit Down.
09:59:29| What?
09:59:30| What.
09:59:31| What? ...|...
10:00:07| Is that it? Shall we finish it off?
10:00:08| No, not yet.
10:00:09| When they all come, we finish it off.
...|...
10:00:14| Ahh.
10:00:15| I'm injured.
...|...
10:00:25| In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll all die.
...|...
 
beachnut said:
The idiots flying the plane decided to crash the plane, they are not very smart in the first place, they are going to kill themselves for 72 virgins.
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beachnut: could we substitute "not very smart" for "crazy jihadists" the statement "not very smart" invariably leads to "well how did they manage hi-jack the plane and avoid detection if they're not very smart?" WE have to use very particular vocabulary, THEY can spew verbal diarrhea, drives me nuts.
 
beachnut said:
The terrorist are afraid and crashed the plane before the guys beat the living daylights out of them, the killers!

The idiots flying the plane decided to crash the plane, they are not very smart in the first place, they are going to kill themselves for 72 virgins. When the passengers get them they will be beat up, they are chicken, they decide to crash the plane.

The CVR pretty much proves there were terrorist on board flying the plane, and they flew the plane into the ground. If they had been shot down they would have said who shot us down. If they were not terrorist they would not be talking in Arabic.

What is your master story of flight 93? Why do you shame the heroes on 93? Why are you doing this? Why are truthers so disrespectful and not using every effort to understand before repeating lies over and over again?
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There were terrorist on board, for sure, they were about to lose control of the plane too.

It's fact I guess.

I've take a look a NTSB data, it seem the flight 93 was near the ground at 10:04

But there was many witness too who talk of 10:06 and news report one day after the 911, a year before the kim's seismics data were available.

Wednesday, September 12, 2001

This story was written by staff writer Jonathan D. Silver, based on his reporting and that of staff writers Bob Batz Jr., Mark Belko, Mike Bucsko, Tom Gibb, Monica L. Haynes, Ernie Hoffman, Ginny Kopas, Cindi Lash, Timothy McNulty and James O'Toole.

Yesterday's rapid-fire blitz of terror began in the world's most glamorous city, continued in the nation's capital, and ended atop a rural hill in Somerset County.


Rescue workers look in vain for signs of life in a crater of United Airlines flight 93 in Somerset County. (Franka Bruns, Post-Gazette)

It was there, just outside the tiny town of Shanksville, that a United Airlines jetliner crashed, killing all 45 people aboard in what appeared to be the fourth and final stroke of a choreographed wave of terrorism that was equated to the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.

United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757-200 en route from New Jersey to San Francisco, fell from the sky near Shanksville at 10:06 a.m., about two hours after it took off, leaving a trail of debris five miles long.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

And take a look at eye witness testimonies, many hear two or 3 boum, they saw after the plane turning strangely and flying upside down then falling straing to the ground.
 
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tabouere said:
I've take a look a NTSB data, it seem the flight 93 was near the ground at 10:04
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UA93 was in the ground at 1003.




tabouere said:
But there was many witness too who talk of 10:06 and news report one day after the 911, a year before the kim's seismics data were available.
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Do you know what the rate of rotation is on the radar that was tracking UA93?

-Gumboot
 
tabouere said:
And take a look at eye witness testimonies, many hear two or 3 boum, they saw after the plane turning strangely and flying upside down then falling straing to the ground.
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Yes UA93 was upside down when it hit the ground. The hijackers started throwing the aircraft around erratically in an attempt to knock the passengers about.

-Gumboot
 
tabouere said:
There were terrorist on board, for sure, they were about to lose control of the plane too.

It's fact I guess.

I've take a look a NTSB data, it seem the flight 93 was near the ground at 10:04

But there was many witness too who talk of 10:06 and news report one day after the 911, a year before the kim's seismics data were available.


http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

And take a look at eye witness testimonies, many hear two or 3 boum, they saw after the plane turning strangely and flying upside down then falling straing to the ground.
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What is your point? What is your conclusion, if you have one? What does it mean?

The FDR did not have data past 10:04. The time from different source can not be used unless you know the errors that each had in setting the clock. Without verifying the errors in each time source you can not say much about time.

What is your point? What is your story on flight 93?
 
gumboot said:
UA93 was in the ground at 1003.






Do you know what the rate of rotation is on the radar that was tracking UA93?

-Gumboot
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Ok the radar was infallible but no plane was intercept. :boggled:

The flight data stop at 10:03 but I've never seen the radar's datas and there was many testimonies and news articles in wich they say the plane crash at 10:06... the seismic datas too.
 
tabouere said:
Ok the radar was infallible but no plane was intercept. :boggled:
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:confused:


tabouere said:
The flight data stop at 10:03 but I've never seen the radar's datas and there was many testimonies and news articles in wich they say the plane crash at 10:06... the seismic datas too.
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Yes because they all got that information from the same source. It was initially announced that UA93 crashed at 1006. So everyone reported that it crashed at 1006. Later when they had more information that time was amended to 1003.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
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Yes because they all got that information from the same source. It was initially announced that UA93 crashed at 1006. So everyone reported that it crashed at 1006. Later when they had more information that time was amended to 1003.

-Gumboot
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And what was their source?

The only source of the eye witness was their watch....
 
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you know I have never ever heard of a watch being off by a couple of minutes...the thought is simply rediculous...lol

TAM:)
 
So the FDR, CVR, ATC, radar, and impact site data sets are wrong, because the first newspapers said the time was 10:06? Damn. I think you need to do better than that. Read Gumboot's post about Mr. Fritz's testimony for example.

Why is it, that truthers do not comprehend a word we ever say, or do not even care to read our posts? Why do they even care to post with us then.

One 9/11 blogger said that my WTC analysis part was dead wrong, because I completely omitted the FACTS that showed the controlled demolition was the only possibility. I asked him to provide those facts, but he never responded.
 
its like that woman CTer (Heneger I think) whos big claim to CT fame his her rant about the time on the Pentagon clock when it stopped didnt equal the officially given time of the crash....laughable.

TAM:)
 
tabouere said:
Ok the radar was infallible but no plane was intercept. :boggled:

The flight data stop at 10:03 but I've never seen the radar's datas and there was many testimonies and news articles in wich they say the plane crash at 10:06... the seismic datas too.
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Do you understand what UTC is and why it is important to know if the clocks in question were using it?
 
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