Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

Haig said:
That's your choice. However, they say a picture is worth a thousand words so what's a video worth ? ;)
This guy (imo) is a excellent communicator regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him. So what would you gain by my attempt to "articulate" it ? Nothing is the answer.
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Usually a waste of time.

Not always, but you need to give a summary to make it remotely worth clicking on a video link.
 
jimbob said:
Not always, but you need to give a summary to make it remotely worth clicking on a video link.
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There's nothing to summarize. It's seriously just some guy saying "here are some sunspots; here is a weather report".

That's it. That's all there is. That's all he has.

He doesn't offer a summary because he has no content to present.
 
Haig said:
Well you've got that backwards :eek:
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Well we can see you sliding backwards into a deepening pit of delusions, Haig :p:
We started with:

And all of this in one post!
  • 2 May 2015 Haig has the delusion that Jupiter gaining a red spot in 2006 and losing a stripe in 2010 has to do with an future possible Grand Solar Minimum!
  • 2 May 2015 Haig has the delusion that Saturn having a superstorm in 2011 has to do with an future possible Grand Solar Minimum!
  • 2 May 2015 Haig has the delusion that marsquakes has to do with an future possible Grand Solar Minimum (or for that matter any solar activity)!
  • 2 May 2015 Haig has the delusion that the climate drivers during that Little Ice Age are the same as they are today (hint: human driven CO2 increases)!
    If Haig has actually understood
    Glaciers, Old Masters, and Galileo: The Puzzle of the Chilly 17th Century
    then he would have realized that paper was about regional temperatures changes, not global.
    Changes in this wind flow have only a small impact on global temperatures as the warm and cold regions average out, but they have large regional effects.
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    But then he would have realized that it was published in 2002 and done real research to see if the paper's conclusions held up

ETA:
Jupiter's New Red Spot was first detected in 2000!
Big Mystery: Jupiter Loses a Stripe happens a lot
This isn't the first time the SEB has faded out.

"The SEB fades at irregular intervals, most recently in 1973-75, 1989-90, 1993, 2007, 2010," says John Rogers, director of the British Astronomical Association's Jupiter Section. "The 2007 fading was terminated rather early, but in the other years the SEB was almost absent, as at present."
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The Super Storm on Saturn is likely weather - Saturn is moving into "early spring".
 
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Haig said:
You're not paying attention if you think they are NOT related...
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You are still not understanding that crank YouTube videos abuse science to support their delusions. This is Ben Davidson yet again pointing out solar activity from
Information courtesy of NASA, NOAA, the US Library, the Goddard Space Flight Center, the Jet Propulsion Lab, the Environmental Visualization Laboratory, the NASA Earth Observatory, SDO, SOHO, Stereo, ISWA, SSEC, HAARP, and SolarIMG
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And then idiotically cherry picking earthquakes to match the activity :jaw-dropp!
4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
 
Haig said:
This explanation should also help ...
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... to add to the delusions you support, Haig :p?

Not only are
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
but ignorant comments on a crank web site are not scientific evidence either!
2 May 2015 Haig: Can you understand that ignorant comments on a crank web site are not scientific evidence.
Here is a Bob Weber going on about weather and being surprised that ocean water evaporation is caused by heat (solar activity) :eek:!
 
Haig said:
Well actually I have suggested a connecting mechanism.
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Haig, the correct phrase is "fantasized about a connecting mechanism"!

You need to describe and support all of the steps in your personal solar activity causes earthquakes fantasy, e.g.
  1. increase in solar activity -> increase in solar wind
  2. increase in solar wind -> increase in lightning
  3. increase in lightning -> increase in earthquakes

But ignorance of the subject of the paper suggests you cannot do this!
Evidence for solar wind modulation of lightning
The response of lightning rates over Europe to arrival of high speed solar wind streams at Earth is investigated using a superposed epoch analysis.
...This result appears to contradict earlier studies that found an anti-correlation between sunspot number and thunder days over solar cycle timescales.
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This is about Europe and says nothing definitive about lightning elsewhere.
It is an outlier paper - previous studies have an anti-correlation.
 
Haig said:
It may have escaped your attention but this thread wasn't started by me, so NO I'm NOT trying to convince people per se.
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It has escaped your attention Haig but this thread was started to discuss your idea which you need to support with the scientific evidence that convinced you that there may be an connection between the solar activity and earthquakes :
aleCcowaN said:
The title is right. Haig proposes earthquakes to be caused by solar activity. ...
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The problem is that all you have is spamming the thread with the delusions of Ben Davidson, the persistent denial of the real world where 4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
and derailing into other delusions about volcano eruptions, etc. being caused by solar activity.

If you are here just to convince people that you are advertising crank videos and crank web sites then you are doing a good job of that!
 
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JeanTate said:
"I'm just putting the facts and data on here to show the amazing Sun - Earth connection that may trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms etc."

If that is, indeed, what you think you're doing, then I must say that you are doing a terrible job! :jaw-dropp Instead, what you seem to be doing is link-spamming, and your sources do not present "facts and data" either; instead there's a great amount of opinion, wooly verbiage, wild speculation, etc. So, instead of behaving like a spam troll, why don't you collect the actual "facts and data" that seem so impressive to you, and post them? Perhaps in a bullet list, as your hero David Talbott did, together with links to *reliable* sources?
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Thanks for your input JT :)

Which "facts and data", that I've posted links to, do you dispute and please give details as to why ?

It may surprise you that I won't be taking your advice :rolleyes: I'll just continue as I've been doing. I think it gets the point across just fine in the very limited time I have for this and other topic's here :D

I'm sorry I don't have your approval :p

Reality Check said:
Haig, the correct phrase is "fantasized about a connecting mechanism"!

You need to describe and support all of the steps in your personal solar activity causes earthquakes fantasy, e.g.
  1. increase in solar activity -> increase in solar wind
  2. increase in solar wind -> increase in lightning
  3. increase in lightning -> increase in earthquakes

But ignorance of the subject of the paper suggests you cannot do this!
Evidence for solar wind modulation of lightning

This is about Europe and says nothing definitive about lightning elsewhere.
It is an outlier paper - previous studies have an anti-correlation.
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Thanks for your reply to the "Evidence for solar wind modulation of lightning" RC. Your the only one to give a view on it.

You seek to minimize it's importance and I understand why you would want to do that. It's vital (imo) to understanding the Sun - Earth connection.

You say there are previous studies that have an anti-correlation. Can you provide links to them ?

Reality Check said:
It has escaped your attention Haig but this thread was started to discuss your idea which you need to support with the scientific evidence that convinced you that there may be an connection between the solar activity and earthquakes :

The problem is that all you have is spamming the thread with the delusions of Ben Davidson, the persistent denial of the real world where 4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
and derailing into other delusions about volcano eruptions, etc. being caused by solar activity.

If you are here just to convince people that you are advertising crank videos and crank web sites then you are doing a good job of that!
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Thanks for your opinion RC but I think I'm doing just fine :)

As for advertising crank videos I leave that for others to judge :cool:

Reality Check said:
Continuing to spam the thread with deluded crank videos is certainly worth more than a thousand words. Haig: Write on the black board 1000 times
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence! :D
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Are "ad homs" ALL you have RC. Care to show why you think they are wrong ?


Getting back to my theme :)

Here is another possible link in the mechanism for "triggering" earthquakes, volcanoes and major storms here on Earth.

A very interesting article, mainly because now it seems like "mainstream science" agrees that space is plasma.

Aussie student proves existence of plasma tubes floating above Earth
“This is around where the neutral atmosphere ends, and we are transitioning to the plasma of outer space."
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This links into the EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update] video quite nicely, I would suggest ;)
 
Haig said:
Thanks for your input JT :)

Which "facts and data", that I've posted links to, do you dispute and please give details as to why ?
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How about the (complete absence of) "facts and data", of direct relevance to the topic of this thread, in your post #379 in this thread?

As far as I can tell, there's zero content, and also zero references to primary sources. But perhaps I missed something; care to summarize?

It may surprise you that I won't be taking your advice :rolleyes: I'll just continue as I've been doing. I think it gets the point across just fine in the very limited time I have for this and other topic's here :D
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Fair enough.

I guess it's time for me to re-read the membership agreement, to see if I can find the part that frowns on the kind of link spamming you seem to be doing ... ;)
 
JeanTate said:
How about the (complete absence of) "facts and data", of direct relevance to the topic of this thread, in your post #379 in this thread?

As far as I can tell, there's zero content, and also zero references to primary sources. But perhaps I missed something; care to summarize?
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You have missed a lot JT but you'll have to try to read the thread to find out what. I really haven't the time or inclination to try and keep you right. :(


Fair enough.
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Yip

I guess it's time for me to re-read the membership agreement, to see if I can find the part that frowns on the kind of link spamming you seem to be doing ... ;)
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They are just put there as background info :)

No need to read them all JT you should have them all memorized by now. :p

Just ignore them ... the way I ignore RC's link spamming :D
 
Haig said:
Here is another possible link in the mechanism for "triggering" earthquakes, volcanoes and major storms here on Earth.

A very interesting article, mainly because now it seems like "mainstream science" agrees that space is plasma.

Aussie student proves existence of plasma tubes floating above Earth
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Wow, plasma above the ionosphere! REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!
Stop the press, give this girl the Nobel prize ...
ehhh wait, we have been sending up plasma missions into the ionosphere and higher for decades.

I guess the main major item to get from haig's post is that he finally is realizing that mainstream space physics has been doing plasma physics since the late 1950s or so.

Also, it is not "plasma tubes floating above the Earth" it is magnetic flux tubes of the Earth's internal magnetic field above the ionosphere, which are expected to be filled with magnetospheric plasma. That they maybe can have density differences and be identified as separate entities would be interesting.

Here is the real scientific paper: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL063699/full

Of course this has nothing to do with earthquakes.
 
Haig said:
You have missed a lot JT but you'll have to try to read the thread to find out what. I really haven't the time or inclination to try and keep you right.
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My bold
Well, this must be the overstatement of the year.
 
tusenfem said:
Wow, plasma above the ionosphere! REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!
Stop the press, give this girl the Nobel prize ...
ehhh wait, we have been sending up plasma missions into the ionosphere and higher for decades.

I guess the main major item to get from haig's post is that he finally is realizing that mainstream space physics has been doing plasma physics since the late 1950s or so.

Also, it is not "plasma tubes floating above the Earth" it is magnetic flux tubes of the Earth's internal magnetic field above the ionosphere, which are expected to be filled with magnetospheric plasma. That they maybe can have density differences and be identified as separate entities would be interesting.

Here is the real scientific paper: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL063699/full

Of course this has nothing to do with earthquakes.
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True, and this was a very clever bit of mapping the structure of something that was known to exist in general.
 
Haig: A fantasy and ignorance of Scott, et. al. is not science

Haig said:
Thanks for your reply to the "Evidence for solar wind modulation of lightning" RC. Your the only one to give a view on it.
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I gave a view on it - that you have presented a fantasy about the paper unless you present the rest of the mechanism, Haig. Also that you are ignorant about even the abstract of the paper which you confirm. Not that that is a surprise!
Reality Check said:
You need to describe and support all of the steps in your personal solar activity causes earthquakes fantasy, e.g.
  1. increase in solar activity -> increase in solar wind
  2. increase in solar wind -> increase in lightning
  3. increase in lightning -> increase in earthquakes

But ignorance of the subject of the paper suggests you cannot do this!
Evidence for solar wind modulation of lightning

This is about Europe and says nothing definitive about lightning elsewhere.
It is an outlier paper - previous studies have an anti-correlation.
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4 June 2015 Haig: Your ignorance about Scott, et. al. and a fantasy about its results does not mean that the Sun causes earthquakes when the scientific evidence is that it does not!.
 
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