Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

jimbob · May 17, 2015

<Wanders back to the thread after a couple of posts>
<looks around, shakes head in bewilderment and wanders out again>

Before I go, as the basic idea is absolutely barking, I might as well bump this in case anyone wanted the amusement of looking at a discussion of Piers Corbyn's output...

jimbob said:
CapelDodger said:

Piers Corbyn, yet; there's a name I haven't heard for a while. It seems he still has one true believer left in Haig. That's Piers Corbyn the lunar tick, who announced that the world had already entered a long-term cooling-phase in 2007. Haig was all over that at the time.

"... significant weather extremes and earthquakes in the period around 23rd-27th March".

Stand by for some interesting definitions of "significant" come the end of March. Or complete silence on the subject.

Click to expand...

This thread has some gems of Piers in it

http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19285&hilit=piers+corbyn

It is worth it just for the photo sarcastically posted in the OP...

ETA: as haig has been quoting from Corbyn's website, including on this thread, it might be interesting to see how even the Texas sharpshooter fallacy is accurate, as at least involves getting it right after the event.

Pixel42 · May 17, 2015

jimbob said:
Before I go, as the basic idea is absolutely barking, I might as well bump this in case anyone wanted the amusement of looking at a discussion of Piers Corbyn's output...

We had some fun of our own here in 2011, when Haig was quoting Corbyn's weather predictions and his claimed accuracy rate of 80%.

I compiled a list of Corbyn's predictions in January 2011:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6768737#post6768737

and then monitored what actually happened over the 9 months they covered. Here's the final post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7578213#post7578213

Predictions: 10

Hits: 2

Success rate: 20%

Haig · May 17, 2015

tusenfem said:
true, but it all happens at the side of the sun facing the Earth ...
if you want to say something, then say what you mean, what you meant was events that would impact the earth and NOT earth facing stuff
but then, you don't care being specific in your wording now do you?TE]

Sure, I'm not a scientist like you, just a numpty, but I do enough to get the point across. Stop nitpicking

And actually HOW is it triggering the earthquake?
What is the mechanism?
I expect no answer.

Shock delivered to Earth's magnetosphere by a sudden massive ramp-up of the solar wind

Welll someone did not proof read their press release.
Consequently, the center of the holes stayed firmly pointed towards wind at Earth begin to slow down.
This is gramatically and physically not a correct sentence. Can you haig explain what is meant with this sentence?

I took that to be a typo. My understanding is Earth directed coronal holes, flares, CME's, detaching filaments etc ALL increase the solar wind as the effect reaches Earth.

What do you understand by it ?

Then please clear us up with actually published papers on these triggers, or do you mean non-solar related mechanisms?

Watch this "space"

I mean both but it depends on how/why our Sun is a variable star. Do you know?

oh yes, completely
there is one (1) peer reviewed paper, talking about this, which came to a negative conclusion. The authors are investigating precursors of earthquakes, something that is being done at my institute too with the DEMETER mission.
The Love & Thomas 2013 paper has been cited once (by themselves) and no refutation of their results has been published so far.
To argue your case, there is one chinese paper by Han et al. which relate the triggering of some very specific earthquakes to heating of the rock by eddy currents. But then the question is WHY do I have to make your case? Why can't you find appropriate peer reviewed papers? Lazyness I guess, it is much easier to watch boobtube than to actually try to find out something.

You know me so well

Yes stuff misses the earth, and who cares.
You don't have a model, haig, only if you answer finally, how exactly a CME is supposed to trigger an earthquake, then we can discuss something for real. But how much energy is in a CME. how much of it is actually transferred to the magnetosphere, and how much of that (most of which is transformed from magnetic energy to particle energy of the plasma in the magnetosphere, i.e. heating) could be used to trigger an earthquake?

Yes, it's the stuff that may hit the Earth we should focus on and we all should care about that

Wrong, Holloman and U-yen do!

I am glad that now we are at "triggering" and earthquake and not creating an earthquake.

It always was "triggering" as posted by me on this thread

No, that is NOT being done, at least now at what you have presented that can be read (I don't do boobtube). Just doing correlation, to repeat once more, does not show anything UNLESS you have an underlying model. And Mr. SuspiciousObserver together with Holloman and U-yen have all no, zero, zilch knowledge about earthquakes, the former two not even about physics period. So why would we believe anything they are claiming within the wooniverse of Mr. Davidson?

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Pity you don't do boobtube there's a lot of good information there

Here's one suggesting a big week ahead with planetary alignments liable to trigger the likes of earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms etc

Planets Lining Up - Big Week Ahead | S0 News May 17, 2015

Wonder what will happen ?

A little bit off topic but still relevant in understanding the Sun - Earth connection ...

Oxygen escape from the Earth during geomagnetic reversals: Implications to mass extinction

Super-Flood

Published on 7 Jul 2014
www.Suspicious0bservers.org
According to the experts, earth is overdue for a reversal by double their best calculated estimations.

The irregularities of the sunspot cycle and their
theoretical modelling PDF

Haig · May 17, 2015

a_unique_person said:
Are we playing a game of "He who posts the most links wins"?

Then the winner would be RC

I was asked a question and I gave a full answer, so sue me

Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
...It's just an illustration of our Variable Star. The suggestion being it can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms

Wrong, Haig - that is an illustration of a delusion the Sun can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms just because it is described as a variable star in a press release :jaw-dropp

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4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.[/

Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
I think this is ...more crank videos...

13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!

Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
...more crank videos...

13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!

The probable lie from Ben Davidson that you have fallen for hook line and sinker, Haig: 14th May 2015 Haig: Given no citation to the research by Dr. Holloman, it is possible that this press release by Ben Davidson is lying about the research being connected to earthquakes

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15th May 2015 Haig: Ignorant interpretations of observations does not meant the Sun caused them

Your Maunder minimum delusion raises its ugly head again: 15th May 2015Haig: Ignorance about the effects of a new Maunder Minimum has persisted for almost 3 years

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Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
Ah! that must be Venus

Still wrong Haig - your fantasies are not scientific evidence that the Venus magnetotail being measured to reach close to the Earth actually affects the Earth enough to trigger earthquakes

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Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
Sun wakes volcanoes up, Jupiter makes them sleep

Now the delusion that Pravda is a scientific journal, Haig

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That would be an interesting article if it had any links to the current scientific literature on any connection with volcanic activity and the Sun, Jupiter and Saturn. As it is all we have is cherry picked opinions from scientists.

Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
Another interesting piece on the Sun ...crank video...

13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!

Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
Are the facts presented in this video correct or not ?

13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!even when bases on known geophysical facts, Haig.

Suspicious0bservers are lying about a weakening magnetic field allowing the Sun to trigger earthquakes, volcanoes, major storms etc.
4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.

Reality Check · May 17, 2015

Haig said:
...Currently Piers Corbyn is using SLAT12 Solar-Lunar-Action-Technique with excellent results.

No, Haig: Currently Piers Corbyn is lying about "excellent results" in order to sell his scam to people. You need to learn the difference between advertising a scam and science.

Mikemcc · May 18, 2015

'Planetary alignments' now. Does astrology come into this too?

Reality Check · May 18, 2015

Haig: Delusions about the contents of the Suspicious0bservers videos

Haig said:
Insignificant solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes PDF
As the title suggests, they couldn't confirm any statistical significant relationship between solar-terrestrial variables and earthquake occurrence.

Which I cited to you: 4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
The idiocy of solar activity that does not affect the Earth causing earthquakes on the Earth should be obvious even to you, Haig

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You quote

In contrast to the work reported here, some advocates of hypotheses in which solar-terrestrial interaction does actually trigger earthquakes have reported the identification of different types of correlations of possible relevance. Before such claims can be regarded as valid, advocates need to demonstrate the statistical significance of their correlations in objectively chosen historical data sets. To guard against inspection and selection biases, advocates of solar-terrestrial triggering of earthquakes also need to demonstrate the persistence and statistical significance of their claimed correlations against future data.

Which points out delusions about the contents of the Suspicious0bservers videos (delusions rather than ignorance since you have cited and so must have viewed many of them).
* You have cited no analysis of any statistical significance of their correlations against historical data.
* You have cited no analysis of any statistical significance of their correlations against future data (i.e. predictions).
* These crank videos are Ben Davidson selecting an activity on the Sun and then cherry picking a random (or worse newsworthy) earthquake to associate that activity with. IMO it is a bit sick to use the Nepalese earthquakes to support a delusion.

Repeated your other delusions about the crank Ben Davidson.
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
Haig: 14th May 2015 Haig: Given no citation to the research by Dr. Holloman, it is possible that this press release by Ben Davidson is lying about the research being connected to earthquakes

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Reality Check · May 18, 2015

Haig said:
Wonder what will happen ?

Obviously nothing because these crank videos do not have any actual predictions - just fantasies, Haig.

Haig said:
A little bit off topic but still relevant in understanding the Sun - Earth connection ...

Almost completely off topic which is the series of crank videos containing no actual science that you are spamming the thread with. You link to a delusion from that crank video series - what looks like a "super-flood" caused by a magnetic field reversal :jaw-dropp

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Haig said:
Wrong, Holloman and U-yen do!

Wrong:
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
14th May 2015 Haig: Given no citation to the research by Dr. Holloman, it is possible that this press release by Ben Davidson is lying about the research being connected to earthquakes

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14th May 2015 Haig: Dr. Kongpop U-yen is an electrical engineer who is gullible enough to fall for the Velikovsky-based electric universe delusion! (he presented at EU2014) which hints at where you may have hooked up with part of the electric universe delusion.

hgus · May 18, 2015

Reality Check said:
Obviously nothing because these crank videos do not have any actual predictions - just fantasies, Haig.

Of cause you are right! But I also think you are sort of wrong here. After all we are talking about around a weeks time, and any earthquake, volcanoe or (major) storm anywhere on the globe will satisfy.

Haig · May 18, 2015

Mikemcc said:
'Planetary alignments' now. Does astrology come into this too?

hgus said:
Of cause you are right! But I also think you are sort of wrong here. After all we are talking about around a weeks time, and any earthquake, volcanoe or (major) storm anywhere on the globe will satisfy.

Nope, that's not correct, think again

Planets Lining Up - Big Week Ahead

Earthspot Quake & US Climate Extremes Event 5.17.15

Some background videos on the topic ... no need to bother if you've seen them

EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update]

Earthquakes and the Solar System

Published on 6 Jan 2014
1) Magnetic Polarity Data: http://wso.stanford.edu/Polar.html -- it has stopped updating since 11/23/2013.
2) Jupiter opposes the sun now, and Venus conjoins Mercury on January 8th. Anyone see that coronal hole coming in now?
3) There are some things you cannot un-see. If indeed the IMF and coronal holes are quake factors as I suggested for 2 years, then the underlying magnetics of the sun MUST be relevant to seismicity. I THOUGHT I was going to find an answer to the baffling quake droughts! ...I'm still in shock at how perfectly this matches.
4) Today's news will appear on the website only, in a few hrs, going back to sleep. Be safe everyone.

Mikemcc · May 18, 2015

No I haven't seen them, nor do I wish to watch or look through astrology BS. Planetary alignment just inducates that you don't even have an understanding of something as simple as Newtonian gravity. Here's a hint... r^2...

Haig · May 18, 2015

Mikemcc said:
No I haven't seen them, nor do I wish to watch or look through astrology BS. Planetary alignment just inducates that you don't even have an understanding of something as simple as Newtonian gravity. Here's a hint... r^2...

Ah! so you didn't understand this post HERE about Planetary alignment and their "tails"

Think again !

tusenfem · May 18, 2015

So, as usual haig's replies are devoid of any effort to actually answer questions

Haig said:
Sure, I'm not a scientist like you, just a numpty, but I do enough to get the point across. Stop nitpicking

YOU want to play scientist, then keep to the rules of science and present evidence and models, etc. Not nitpicking, just asking for something to work with.

Haig said:
Shock delivered to Earth's magnetosphere by a sudden massive ramp-up of the solar wind

And then ... ????

Haig said:
I took that to be a typo. My understanding is Earth directed coronal holes, flares, CME's, detaching filaments etc ALL increase the solar wind as the effect reaches Earth.

Naturally it is some sort of typo, but how on earth can you get from:
Consequently, the center of the holes stayed firmly pointed towards wind at Earth begin to slow down.
to:
Earth directed coronal holes, flares, CME's, detaching filaments etc ALL increase the solar wind as the effect reaches Earth.?
I would think:
Consequently, the center of the holes stayed firmly pointed towards the Earth and the wind ~~at Earth~~ begin to slow down.

Haig said:
Watch this "space" I mean both but it depends on how/why our Sun is a variable star. Do you know?

Yes, your new poodle is cute.

Haig said:
You know me so well

Wow, not even any further comment? No diving into a possible (far fetched?) model that I just hand over to you?

Haig said:
Yes, it's the stuff that may hit the Earth we should focus on and we all should care about that

Again, an non-answer

Haig said:
Wrong, Holloman and U-yen do!

Then show me their paper

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