Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

abaddon said:
I only left out the yooboob bit because I refuse to be dragged into argumentum ad youtubem.
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Fully agreed and (mostly) understood (no need for the "m" on youtube - but it does make it funnier!)
 
ferd burfle said:
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No, Haig, why would I folllow these links? They link to crank sites, vanity journals and youboob videos. I quit followingyour links long ago. Wake me up if you post a link to a peeer-reviewed paper that isn't in a vanity journal.
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Wake up ferd :cool:

The videos I linked to are full of references to peer reviewed papers or publications in my post HERE :eek:

The list in the citations is the same :)

You've no excuse now :D

 
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Yawn. Cite those "papers" here, Haig. Like I said, I'm not going to increase the hit counters of your links.
 
Haig said:
Also a total fiction ...
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The total truth is The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos etc. just keep on coming from you, Haig.
Here you cite a meaningless rant by a Thunderbolts author who seems ignorant and rather deluded. For example
* the insanity that astronomers do not know about and apply electromagnetism!
* a repeat of Anthony Peratt's ignorance about the structure of spiral galaxies - they do not have zero mass between their arms as in his 1986 simulations.

5 June 2015 Haig: Some of the ignorance, fantasies,, delusions and even lies that you believe in.
 
Haig: Can you understand that Ben Davison lied about Antarctica ice melting

Haig said:
The videos I linked to are full of references to peer reviewed papers or publications in my post ...
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You still have no comprehension of what the crank Ben Davidson videos contain, Haig. They are full of references to cherry picked peer reviewed papers or publications that Ben Davidson lies or fantasizes about.
4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!

Ben Davidson even lies about climate science:
Reality Check said:
And look NO smilies when I tell you that you are parroting lies from a crank YouTube video channel, Haig!
Its first link is an article stating that overall (land and sea ice) Antarctica is Melting Faster Than Ever

That crank video then idiotically cites an article on just sea ice (now a smilie is needed) :eek:
Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum
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8 June 2015 Haig: Can you understand that Ben Davison lied about Antarctica ice melting?
 
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ferd burfle said:
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No, Haig, why would I folllow these links? They link to crank sites, vanity journals and youboob videos. I quit followingyour links long ago. Wake me up if you post a link to a peeer-reviewed paper that isn't in a vanity journal.
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Actually in this case the links are reputable - and one is a real paper, the rest are summarisations from reputable sources.

Evidence for solar wind modulation of lightning PDF

Modulation of galactic cosmic rays during the unusual solar minimum between cycles 23 and 24 Russian researchers find more evidence to support notion that lightning is caused by cosmic rays

Earth's Chandler Wobble Changed Dramatically in 2005
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However what is missing is their relevance to this discussion.

For example the abstract of the highlighted paper (from a 2-minute skim) is stating that low sunspot activity was linked to high cosmic ray flux and proposing a mechanism to explain this.

L.-L. Zhao, G. Qin, M. Zhang, B. Heber
(Submitted on 26 Oct 2013 (v1), last revised 25 Mar 2014 (this version, v4))
During the recent solar minimum between cycles 23 and 24 (solar minimum P
23/24) the intensity of
Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs) measured at the Earth was the highest ever recorded since space age. It is the purpose of this paper to resolve the most plausible mechanism for this unusually high intensity. A GCR transport model in three-dimensional heliosphere based on a simulation of Markov stochastic process is used to find the relation of cosmic ray modulation to various transport parameters, including solar wind (SW) speed, distance of heliospheric boundary, magnitude of interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) at the Earth, tilt angle of heliospheric current sheet (HCS), values of parallel and perpendicular diffusion coefficients. We calculate GCR proton energy spectra at the Earth for the last three solar minima P
21/22,
P
22/23, and
P
23/24, with the transport parameters obtained from observations.
Besides weak IMF magnitude and slow SW speed, we find that a possible low magnetic turbulence, which increases the parallel diffusion and reduces the perpendicular diffusion in the polar direction, might be an additional possible mechanism for the high GCR intensity in the solar minimum P
23/24. Comments: Accepted for publication in JGR space physics
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This has absolutely nothing to do with sunspots causing earthquakes anymore than the discovery that sunlight and rain interact to cause rainbows.
 
jimbob said:
Actually in this case the links are reputable - and one is a real paper, the rest are summarisations from reputable sources.



However what is missing is their relevance to this discussion.

For example the abstract of the highlighted paper (from a 2-minute skim) is stating that low sunspot activity was linked to high cosmic ray flux and proposing a mechanism to explain this.

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This has absolutely nothing to do with sunspots causing earthquakes anymore than the discovery that sunlight and rain interact to cause rainbows.
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We are considering mechanisms on how the Sun can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes & major storms. We know lightening is associated with ALL three.

These papers confirm the Sun's influence in modulating, here on Earth, lightening and hence storms, GCR's and their effects, the position and undulations of the Jet Stream, hence weather and climate, etc ... :cool:
 
Haig said:
We are considering mechanisms on how the Sun can trigger earthquakes, volcanoes & major storms. We know lightening is associated with ALL three.

These papers confirm the Sun's influence in modulating, here on Earth, lightening and hence storms, GCR's and their effects, the position and undulations of the Jet Stream, hence weather and climate, etc ... :cool:
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And your links where they are reputable don't show what you think they do.

Lightning is associated with volcanic eruptions. Rainbows are associated with rain. It doesn't follow that lightning affects volcanoes any more than rainbows affect rain. Neither imply that the sun causes earthquakes.

Rainbows are also associated with sunlight - maybe they cause sunlight?
 
Haig said:
We are considering ...
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No, Haig - you are spamming the thread with the delusions of Ben Davidson. You are displaying an abysmal ignorance of science. You are lying about what you cite - little of it is about any Sun to earthquake connection.

We are not ignorant or gullible. We know that Ben Davidson is a deluded crank.
We can understand the science:
[*]13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
We are not ignorant enough to state several delusions about the Solar System.
We are not deluded enough to think that every paper that mentions the Sun and the Earth is about the Sun causing earthquakes.
We are not stupid enough to think that the lightning that the eruptions of volcanoes causes, makes the volcanoes erupt. Case comes before effect, not after :jaw-dropp!

5 June 2015 Haig: Some of the ignorance, fantasies, delusions and even lies that you believe in.
 
Reality Check said:
No, Haig - you are spamming the thread with the delusions of Ben Davidson. You are displaying an abysmal ignorance of science. You are lying about what you cite - little of it is about any Sun to earthquake connection.
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Nope RC - I'm just following the suggestion of the OP by aleCcowaN ;) btw What happened to him ?

Ben Davidson is simply carrying out observations over the last two years as to whether certain solar events are triggering earthquakes, volcanoes & major storms. The evidence is mounting in favour of that being correct :)

Just as these two presentations suggest EARTHSPOTS: Storms and Earthquakes [Update] and Earthquakes and the Solar System

Why don't you join us and become a suspicious observer ? :D
 
Haig: Ben Davidson's Sun -> earthquake videos are evidence of his delusions

Haig said:
Nope RC - I'm just following the suggestion of the OP by aleCcowaN
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Nope, Haig - that is a lie because the OP does not ask about Ben Davidson spewing out videos containing his fantasy that earthquakes are caused by solar activity.

The OP asks for your evidence that earthquakes are caused by solar activity not a deluded crank not presenting any evidence as I pointed out before and you have ignored. I will make this very explicit.

9 June 2015 Haig: Why Ben Davidson's Sun -> earthquake videos are evidence of his delusions (not science!)
  1. Correlation is not causation.
    No viable mechanism in those videos makes the Ben Davidson idea a fantasy.
  2. An example or even examples is not even a correlation :eek:!
    No analysis to support a correlation makes that Ben Davidson fantasy a delusion.
  3. Selecting a solar event and cherry picking one earthquake out of many is Ben Davidson lying about the correlation.
    That confirms how delusional this idea is.
  4. The scientific evidence is that there is no correlation between solar activity and earthquakes as you know Haig.
    4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
 
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Reality Check said:
Nope, Haig - that is a lie because the OP does not ask about Ben Davidson spewing out videos containing his fantasy that earthquakes are caused by solar activity.

The OP asks for your evidence that earthquakes are caused by solar activity not a deluded crank not presenting any evidence as I pointed out before and you have ignored. I will make this very explicit.
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Nope RC you're wrong :p

The OP says this ...
aleCcowaN said:
Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

The title is right. Haig proposes earthquakes to be caused by solar activity. He might be right, he forewarned us about Villarrica, a Chilean volcano, a couple of hours ago an it has being erupting indeed since 3 a.m. local time, today.

This is a subject that deserves to be examined in a forum about scepticism in science. And I know he'll approve because he's so raring to discuss it that he drops info about it in the AGW and electric comet threads, all over the place:

Here some samples to start working:
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And two of the samples he gives (of mine) are Ben Davidson :D Source


Davidson is doing a great job of presenting the case for Potential Correlation Between +M8 Earthquakes and Solar Polar Fields :)

DOES THE SUN TRIGGER LARGE EARTHQUAKES?
suspicious0bservers said:
Dr. Christopher Holloman’s team of researchers at The Ohio State University Statistical Consulting Service was able to construct a model that exhibited very strong agreement between solar magnetism patterns and the occurrence of large earthquakes. Formal testing of the model can only be performed by examining its performance over the next few years, but the agreement was sufficient to suggest that a relationship likely exists between solar polar fields, or magnetic fields associated with the north and south poles of the sun, and large earthquakes.

“The strong agreement of the model was surprising to everyone involved,” says Ben Davidson of KAHB, “but we have to understand the limitations of the analysis at this stage.” According to Davidson, this model is not predictive at this time; the analysis relies on data from the Wilcox Solar Observatory which requires at least 10 days to update past real-time, and is usually updated monthly. “The data is averaged in 10-day periods, so when a large earthquake happens, we still need to perform a retrospective analysis. What we have now is a rubric for gauging the correlations between these events into the future.”

“The most striking aspect of the model is that it is, for the most part, relatively simple,” says Dr. Holloman. “The patterns observed in the solar magnetic fields aren’t the result of applying some obscure mathematical functions. The algorithm is based on things like peaks and troughs in solar cycles or the absolute strength of one of the poles at a particular time. Such simple models are more often predictive than more complex models, and we are eager to see how the predictions play out over the next few years.”
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I wonder if you get it now RC ? ;)


Belz... said:
I'm sorry, Haig. It's just you not understanding physics. Don't blame other people for your own failings.
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Gezz Belz, you can't see the funny side of powering The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) with electricity because there is nothing else that can accelerate particles to the energy of 13 TeV ? They can't do it with gravity or magnetism alone they have to use the electric force that drives our Electric Universe :D

Belz... said:
Since you can't understand the science and can't do the math, it's doubtful that you can reach the correct conclusion about this.
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I know a dodge when I see it. Rather than consider a new paradigm because the gravity only one has been falsified they "invent stuff".

The Electromagnetic Force is the answer to the maths problem they found. :p
 
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