Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

Jrrarglblarg said:
Is earth an electromagnet? Or is the nickle-iron core a permanent magnet? I thought it was a permanent magnet but now that haig has used the magic word particle "electro" and posted some YouTube links I'm filled with Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt!
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Jrrarglblarg, If the Earth was a "permanent magnet" it isn't very permanent now is it? :eek:

Earth's Magnetic Field Is Weakening 10 Times Faster Now
The scientists who conducted the study are still unsure why the magnetic field is weakening, but one likely reason is that Earth's magnetic poles are getting ready to flip, said Rune Floberghagen, the ESA's Swarm mission manager. In fact, the data suggest magnetic north is moving toward Siberia
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Then there is the more pessimistic view ...

Sunrise from the West: Scientists warn magnetic pole switch
For the last 160 years there has been a steady decrease in the magnetic field of the earth with some warning that a swap of the magnetic poles from north to south would shift the continents so fiercely it would trigger mass earthquakes, rapid climate change, extinctions and global destruction.
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Geologic record shows hundreds of pole reversals have occurred through Earth's history.
It is caused by patches of iron atoms in our liquid outer core getting reverse-aligned, as if they were small magnets oriented in the opposite direction to others around them.
If reversed ions expand to the stage they out power the others, the Earth's overall magnetic field "flips".
It is believed a growing patch of reverse-alignment in the liquid core beneath Brazil and the South Atlantic is responsible.
Mr Tarduno said: "(It) has been decreasing for at least 160 years at an alarming rate, leading some to speculate that we are heading toward a reversal."
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So our Earth isn't a very good permanent magnet. ;)

What about our variable star the Sun is it a "permanent magnet" ? :rolleyes:

Well hardly, what permanent magnet reverses it's polarity every 11 years or so ? :p

The solar physicists don't know why it reverses it's polarity :eye-poppi

What Causes the Sun's Magnetic Field Flip?
While solar physicists know enough about this strange phenomenon to predict when it will occur, its ultimate causes remain mysterious.

"That gets into the whole [solar] cycle, and wondering what that is," Stanford University solar physicist Phil Scherrer told SPACE.com. "We still don't have a really self-consistent mathematical description of what's happening. And until you can model it, you don't really understand it — it's hard to really understand it."
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And our variable star is doing some strange things too!

Strange Doings on the Sun
"There is no scientist alive who has seen a solar cycle as weak as this one," said Andrés Munoz-Jaramillo, who studies the solar-magnetic cycle at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass.

To complicate the riddle, the sun also is undergoing one of its oddest magnetic reversals on record.

Normally, the sun's magnetic north and south poles change polarity every 11 years or so. During a magnetic-field reversal, the sun's polar magnetic fields weaken, drop to zero, and then emerge again with the opposite polarity. As far as scientists know, the magnetic shift is notable only because it signals the peak of the solar maximum, said Douglas Biesecker at NASA's Space Environment Center.

But in this cycle, the sun's magnetic poles are out of sync, solar scientists said. The sun's north magnetic pole reversed polarity more than a year ago, so it has the same polarity as the south pole.

"The delay between the two reversals is unusually long," said solar physicist Karel Schrijver at the Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Center in Palo Alto, Calif.

Scientists said they are puzzled, but not concerned, by the unusual delay. They expect the sun's south pole to change polarity next month, based on current satellite measurements of its shifting magnetic fields.

At the same time, scientists can't explain the scarcity of sunspots. While still turbulent, the sun seems feeble compared with its peak power in previous decades. "It is not just that there are fewer sunspots, but they are less active sunspots," Dr. Schrijver said.
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So our electromagnetic Sun is weakening and is forecast to continue weakening for the next few solar cycles and maybe for the whole of the 21st century. At the same time our electromagnetic Earth is also weakening. Just a coincidence eh? :eek:

Well we shall find out after solar cycle 25 gets past it's maximum.

The Sun is Going to Sleep

:eek:
 
 
Haig said:
So our electromagnetic Sun is weakening and is forecast to continue weakening for the next few solar cycles and maybe for the whole of the 21st century. At the same time our electromagnetic Earth is also weakening. Just a coincidence eh? :eek:
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If this happens then only ignorant or deluded people would believe that it is not a coincidence, Haig.
We have a solar dynamo that is not affected by the Earth.
We have a terrestrial dynamo deep in the core of the Earth that no one thinks is affected by the Sun.

Just a coincidence for rational people :jaw-dropp!

A bit of stupidity in that post though.
  • Citing some idiocy from World Bulletin.
    The reporter blindly writes a lie and rumors.
    Neanderthals died out in Europe between 41,000 and 39,000 years ago so "some fear will lead to the end of the human race and even have wiped out the neanderthals" is delusional.
    No citations to support what you quote.
  • Citing the Wall Street Journal.

What a rational person extracts from Sunrise from the West: Scientists warn magnetic pole switch is that there is no evidence of known large scale consequences.
Alan Thompson, head of geomagnetism at the British Geological Survey, said during previous flips: "no worldwide shifting of continents or other planet-wide disasters occurred, as geoscientists can testify to from fossil and other records."
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Haig said:
That is: The Sun outputs that are Earth facing / impacting (such as: coronal holes, flares, filaments, sudden changes in the solar wind speed, changes in polarity ... etc) may "trigger" earthquakes, volcanoes and major weather events.

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However, the hypothesis is: when the earthquake zone is in this fragile state a very big electromagnet (the Sun) can shock/jolt/trigger the very little electromagnet (the earth) into a more stable state by these variable outputs. Get it now? ;)
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That's not detailed enough. The question that's being asked of you is, do the solar wind and/or the Sun's magnetic/electric fields:

1) Directly exert force on the Earth's crust?

2) Interact with the Earth's magnetosphere, which directly exerts force on the crust?

3) Interact with the Earth's magnetosphere, which interacts with X, which interacts with Y, which interacts with Z, which directly exerts force on the crust?

4) etc.

That's what we're talking about when we ask for a coupling mechanism. If that level of detail doesn't exist yet, what you have doesn't even raise to the level of hypothesis.
 
Coupling could come later, as the mechanism for continental drift did. We don't even have correlation.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Coupling could come later, as the mechanism for continental drift did. We don't even have correlation.
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Not if he wants anyone to accept it. Geology is pretty strict about demanding explanations up front, to avoid Just So Stories.
 
Then there is that "the earthquake zone is in this fragile state" assertion - maybe Haig thinks that a butterfly landing on the San Andreas fault can trigger an earthquake :D.
 
Dinwar said:
Not if he wants anyone to accept it. Geology is pretty strict about demanding explanations up front, to avoid Just So Stories.
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There was an excellent story for plate continental movement before the mechanism was proposed, no?
 
Sideroxylon said:
There was an excellent story for plate continental movement before the mechanism was proposed, no?
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It wasn't accepted. Wegener's proposal for continental drift, while it had some evidence (shape of Africa/S. America coasts, fossil record, geological units on both landmasses) was not considered plausible until a mechanism was found.
 
Sideroxylon said:
There was an excellent story for plate continental movement before the mechanism was proposed, no?
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Problem is, it only rose to the level of "Okay, interesitng, but so what?" You can point out all kinds of interesting things on Earhth--but if you can't point out why they matter, it's pretty irrelevant. Granted, Wagner did better than most in terms of systematic examination of the eivdence, but he still only really presented what everyone knew; it wasn't until later that anyone took it seriously, for good reason (the original concept--continental drift--was simply absurd).

It's the same with evolution. For a long time, far longer than most are willing to accept, evolutionary theory had a lot of competition because it wasn't actually a theory. Darwin did a fantastic job of compiling evidence for change through time, but without a mechanism it was necessarily incomplete. It wasn't until genetics was rediscovered that evolutionary theory could be said to be a coherent theory--and that's when alternatives vanished from rational scientific discourse (the crap in the USSR was anything but rational, scientific, or discourse).
 
Dinwar said:
Problem is, it only rose to the level of "Okay, interesitng, but so what?" You can point out all kinds of interesting things on Earhth--but if you can't point out why they matter, it's pretty irrelevant. Granted, Wagner did better than most in terms of systematic examination of the eivdence, but he still only really presented what everyone knew; it wasn't until later that anyone took it seriously, for good reason (the original concept--continental drift--was simply absurd).

It's the same with evolution. For a long time, far longer than most are willing to accept, evolutionary theory had a lot of competition because it wasn't actually a theory. Darwin did a fantastic job of compiling evidence for change through time, but without a mechanism it was necessarily incomplete. It wasn't until genetics was rediscovered that evolutionary theory could be said to be a coherent theory--and that's when alternatives vanished from rational scientific discourse (the crap in the USSR was anything but rational, scientific, or discourse).
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Shame this sun thing can't rise to the level of "interesting".
 
Sideroxylon said:
Shame this sun thing can't rise to the level of "interesting".
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Oh, I think this Sun thing is more than "interesting" already ;)

Some of the possible mechanisms of solar activity influence upon geodynamic processes is described below from a 2009 paper HERE

When solar activity increases the corpuscular emission and solar magnetic field strength increase rapidly as well, inducing ring currents in various layers of Earth, particularly, in lithosphere and asthenosphere. Currents in asthenosphere appeared as a result of solar activity increase cause mantle heating, its plasticity growth and as a result convection currents acceleration. Convection currents acceleration leads to spreading acceleration, and increase of mantle temperature–to its heat expansion while Earth extension is taken place due to spreading. In the periods of solar activity decrease the ring currents magnitude inducing in the mantle, decreases as well and as a result there decreases temperature and Earth compression, accompanying by the process of subduction.
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YD Kalinin (1974), working on the proposed hypothesis, marks that, the shift of solar activity causes nonregular oscillations of the angular velocity of Earth rotation, that as a result influences on seismic activity.
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The mechanism of dependency is that in connection with the amplification of the solar activity the perturbation of quasistationary state of the atmosphere occurs, that leads to the redistribution of atmosphere mass on the Earth, that is center-of-gravity motion of Earth–atmosphere, and consequently, deformation of the Earth
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Haig said:
Some of the possible mechanisms of solar activity influence upon geodynamic processes is described ...
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with the idiocy of a Google cached result, Haig.
A proper citation:
V. E. Khain, E.N.Khalilov. ABOUT POSSIBLE INFLUENCE OF SOLAR ACTIVITY UPON SEISMIC AND VOLCANIC ACTIVITIES: LONG-TERM FORECAST. SCIENCE WITHOUT BORDERS. Transactions of the International Academy of Science H & E.Vol.3. 2007/2008, SWB, Innsbruck, 2009 ISBN 978-9952-451-01-6 ISSN 2070-0334;[3]​
This looks like a not peer-reviewed book.

Haig: 14 delusions about the Sun and earthquakes since 4 May 2015
Reality Check said:
Usual link to a crank video rather than understanding the science which is not a surprise since we have 5 June 2015 Haig: Some of the ignorance, fantasies, delusions and even lies that you have believed in since 2010..
  1. 4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
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Haig said:
Oh, I think this Sun thing is more than "interesting" already ;)

Some of the possible mechanisms of solar activity influence upon geodynamic processes is described below from a 2009 paper HERE
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The problem I have with your theories here is the same as with the rest of the EU fantasies.
It's not thought trough at all.
IF you were right, earthquakes would be the least of our worries.
The sheer, immense amounts of energy needed to affect the earth via electromagnetism would be noticed.
Everyone with a pacemaker in the area would die.
Every single electronic device in the path of the field would stop working
Everyone with metal in their bodies (be it medical prostheses or older amalgam fillings) would get lethal shocks.
The power grid in the area would overload.
Every compass would point towards the sun. Permanently.
This list can be expanded a lot, but NONE of that is ever detected.
Which means that either the EU theories are not true, or that electricity has magical powers to only cause earthquakes and not all the rest.
I and fortunately most of the world, goes with the first position.
 
We should add the EU (and some scientists!) obsession with the magic of electromagnetism. All that that electromagnetic stuff does is deliver energy to fault lines to trigger earthquakes. But we have the Moon delivering much more energy to fault lines through tidal forces and there is no evidence of that producing earthquakes.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
The problem I have with your theories here is the same as with the rest of the EU fantasies.
It's not thought trough at all.
IF you were right, earthquakes would be the least of our worries.
The sheer, immense amounts of energy needed to affect the earth via electromagnetism would be noticed.
Everyone with a pacemaker in the area would die.
Every single electronic device in the path of the field would stop working
Everyone with metal in their bodies (be it medical prostheses or older amalgam fillings) would get lethal shocks.
The power grid in the area would overload.
Every compass would point towards the sun. Permanently.
This list can be expanded a lot, but NONE of that is ever detected.
Which means that either the EU theories are not true, or that electricity has magical powers to only cause earthquakes and not all the rest.
I and fortunately most of the world, goes with the first position.
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You've not been paying attention Lukraak_Sisser.

Our protection against the electromagnetic effects of our variable star is the Magnetosphere. That's the shield that is weakening rapidly, read this post again HERE

The importance of our shield has already been recognised ... New Study Proves the Magnetosphere Protects Earth

btw RC our Earth and the Moon is classed as a twin system Earth - Moon system. Also, interestingly, our magnetosphere lashes the Moon each month. The Moon and the Magnetotail

The latest update from our variable electromagnetic Sun ...

Coronal Heating Problem, Space Weather | S0 News August 25, 2015

Mmmm no comments on the possible coupling mechanisms for triggering earthquakes and volcanoes ?

Some of the possible mechanisms of solar activity influence upon geodynamic processes are described below ...

When solar activity increases the corpuscular emission and solar magnetic field strength increase rapidly as well, inducing ring currents in various layers of Earth, particularly, in lithosphere and asthenosphere. Currents in asthenosphere appeared as a result of solar activity increase cause mantle heating, its plasticity growth and as a result convection currents acceleration. Convection currents acceleration leads to spreading acceleration, and increase of mantle temperature–to its heat expansion while Earth extension is taken place due to spreading. In the periods of solar activity decrease the ring currents magnitude inducing in the mantle, decreases as well and as a result there decreases temperature and Earth compression, accompanying by the process of subduction.
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YD Kalinin (1974), working on the proposed hypothesis, marks that, the shift of solar activity causes nonregular oscillations of the angular velocity of Earth rotation, that as a result influences on seismic activity.
Click to expand...

The mechanism of dependency is that in connection with the amplification of the solar activity the perturbation of quasistationary state of the atmosphere occurs, that leads to the redistribution of atmosphere mass on the Earth, that is center-of-gravity motion of Earth–atmosphere, and consequently, deformation of the Earth
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Haig said:
You've not been paying attention Lukraak_Sisser.

Our protection against the electromagnetic effects of our variable star is the Magnetosphere. That's the shield that is weakening rapidly, read this post again HERE
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Wow I am so happy that this "magnetosphere" protects us from electromagnetic effects such as sunlight.
 
Haig said:
Some of the possible mechanisms of solar activity influence upon geodynamic processes is described below from a 2009 paper HERE
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I guess you are glad that you link to a pdf without figures, otherwise you would clearly see the nonsense that these guys claim from Figs. 3 and 5 and 6 for example. Oh, it can be in phase, or out of phase and an increase can happen if the Wolf number increases or decreases, and whatever.

For those interested in the real publication go here to ResearchGate (beware, looooong download time)
 
"... in connection with the amplification of the solar activity the perturbation of quasistationary state of the atmosphere occurs ..."
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Gobbledegook for connoisseurs.

I find, from observation, that the first coffee of the day perturbs the quasistationary state of my lower alimentary canal, resulting in a very similar product.
 
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