Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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A list of 29 items of ignorance. lies and delusions from Sol88 over the last 6 years

Sol88 said:
Well after 7 years arguing the toss and a year after arriving at 67P, we have found the source of the "jets"!!
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The source of comet jets (sublimating ices) has been known for about 60 years as you know, Sol88 :jaw-dropp!
Only the deluded Thunderbolts cult have been have been "arguing the toss" and their delusions are more than 7 years old.

The Rosetta mission is one where we have had images good enough to trace jets to specific locations on a comet nucleus. Before it was basically light/dark side resolution.

A list of 14 items of ignorance. lies and delusions from Sol88 over the last 6 years.
  1. A couple of lies about the [URL="http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Rosetta_the_ambition_to_turn_science_fiction_into_science_fact"]Rosetta: the ambition to turn science fiction into science fact article.[/URL]
  2. 21 October 2015 Sol88: Ignorant that the Solar System formed from a cloud of Hydrocarbons, Argon, Nitrogen....
  3. B]21 October 2015 Sol88[/B]: Ignorant about what tholins are.
  4. 21 October 2015 Sol88: A lie about "a host of confirmation and surprises" for the EC delusion at 67P.
  5. 21 October 2015 Sol88: The repeated delusion that "surprises" support the EC delusion (logical fallacy of false dichotomy).
  6. 27 October 2015 Sol88: States a delusion about "Sugar ice sublimate to colaldehyde gas"
  7. 27 October 2015 Sol88: A delusion about "Formation of jets in Comet 19P/Borrelly by subsurface geysers" being proven wrong.
  8. 27 October 2015 Sol88: A delusion about "Geologic control of jet formation on Comet 103P/Hartley 2" being proven wrong.
  9. 27 October 2015 Sol88: A lazy lie about a "pit like structure" and the jet that was observed from it.
  10. 27 October 2015 Sol88: Blindly parroting Wal Thornhill's ignorance of Newton's Laws (jets push on comets)
  11. 27 October 2105 Sol88: Ignorance of 2 mainstream papers leads to thinking that they are about the electric comet delusion!
  12. 27 October 2015 Sol88: States a ELECTRIC UNIVERSE is chemistry delusion!
  13. 12th June 2015 Sol88: Comets are not lengths of wire attached to a spacecraft. pops up again (first on 23 December 2014)!
  14. 29 October 2015 Sol88: When are you going to get back to the ELECTRIC COMET DELUSION and its jets?
  15. 2 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation about this observation of molecular oxygen at 67P?

125 days and counting of fear of physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.
 
Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for 67P jet source locations

A list of 29 items of ignorance. lies and delusions from Sol88 over the last 6 years
4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the locations that jets have been traced to on 67P?

Morphology and dynamics of the jets of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko: Early-phase development
Aims. The OSIRIS camera onboard the Rosetta spacecraft obtained close-up views of the dust coma of comet 67P. The jet structures can be used to trace their source regions and to examine the possible effect of gas-surface interaction.

Methods. We analyzed the wide-angle images obtained in the special dust observation sequences between August and September 2014. The jet features detected in different images were compared to study their time variability. The locations of the potential source regions of some of the jets are identified by ray tracing. We used a ring-masking technique to calculate the brightness distribution of dust jets along the projected distance.

Results. The jets detected between August and September 2014 mostly originated in the Hapi region. Morphological changes appeared over a timescale of several days in September. The brightness slope of the dust jets is much steeper than the background coma. This might be related to the sublimation or fragmentation of the emitted dust grains. Interaction of the expanding gas flow with the cliff walls on both sides of Hapi could lead to erosion and material down-fall to the nucleus surface.
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You link to an image showing that jets come from the neck (lowest part :eek:!) of the comet nucleus: Locations of the potential source regions of the jets emitted from the neck region. Spots 1 and 2 are the possible locations of the two jets referred to as jets 1 and 2 on September 16, 2014 (top panel). The color bar indicates the most likely distribution probability of the numerous jets identified in different images.
 
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Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the origin of some jets from pits

Sol88 said:
Well after 7 years arguing the toss and a year after arriving at 67P, we have found the source of the "jets"!!
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This is ignorant of you, Sol88, since you should have known for months that jets have been traced to locations on 67P.
Comet sinkholes generate jets (Posted on 01/07/2015 by emily)
A number of the dust jets emerging from Rosetta’s comet can be traced back to active pits that were likely formed by a sudden collapse of the surface. These ‘sinkholes’ are providing a glimpse at the chaotic and diverse interior of the comet.
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“We see jets arising from the fractured areas of the walls inside the pits. These fractures mean that volatiles trapped under the surface can be warmed more easily and subsequently escape into space,” says Jean-Baptiste Vincent from the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, lead author of the study
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4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the origin of some jets from the walls of pits on 67P?

The paper is Large heterogeneities in comet 67P as revealed by active pits from sinkhole collapse
 
Reality Check said:
This is ignorant of you, Sol88, since you should have known for months that jets have been traced to locations on 67P.
Comet sinkholes generate jets (Posted on 01/07/2015 by emily)]



4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the origin of some jets from the walls of pits on 67P?

The paper is Large heterogeneities in comet 67P as revealed by active pits from sinkhole collapse
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Where are the pits, sinkholes, pressurised subsurface chambers with nozzles/orifices, as required under this model Formation of jets in Comet 19P/Borrelly by subsurface geysers
Abstract
Observations of the inner coma of Comet 19P/Borrelly with the camera on the Deep Space 1 spacecraft revealed several highly collimated
dust jets emanating from the nucleus. The observed jets can be produced by acceleration of evolved gas from a subsurface cavity through
a narrow orifice to the surface. As long as the cavity is larger than the orifice, the pressure in the cavity will be greater than the ambient
pressure in the coma and the flow from the geyser will be supersonic. The gas flow becomes collimated as the sound speed is approached and
dust entrainment in the gas flow creates the observed jets. Outside the cavity, the expanding gas loses its collimated character, but the density
drops rapidly decoupling the dust and gas, allowing the dust to continue in a collimated beam. The hypothesis proposed here can explain the
jets seen in the inner coma of Comet 1P/Halley as well, and may be a primary mechanism for cometary activity
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Hapi region on comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko - 28 March 2015 by Thomas Appéré, on Flickr


Looking, looking, looking....nope no cavity, orifice or anything like in the paper.

but

4. Summary

The jet features detected in August and September 2014 originated mostly from the Hapi region of 67P.

The ever-changing morphology of the jet features can be seen by the consecutive observations over a timescale from one rotation period to several days. These variations in the jet appearance might be controlled by a certain on-and-off mechanism (i.e., the gas source has become extinguished) as the surface or subsurface temperature distribution evolved; alternatively, the reason might be the changing viewing geometry from Rosetta.

The excess total brightness of the collimated jet is 3~10% brighter than the background dust coma. The values of the jet brightness slopes are higher than the background coma. This means that the dust grains emitted from the neck region might be subject to fast sublimation, fragmentation, or acceleration.
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Sol88:Do you understand the idiocy of that question about a narrow jets on 19P

Sol88 said:
Where are the pits, sinkholes, pressurised subsurface chambers with nozzles/orifices, as required under this model Formation of jets in Comet 19P/Borrelly by subsurface geysers
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Why is that question not unexpected, Sol88?
Oh yes: A list of 29 items of ignorance. lies and delusions from Sol88 over the last 6 years.
The question is idiotic because
  1. This is a thread about the Electric Comet.
  2. The paper is mainstream science, not the Electric Comet delusion.
  3. The paper is about specific narrow jets not jets in general.
  4. Totally unable to comprehend English (the question in my post)!
  5. What make this question actually idiotic is the many years with the fantasy that evidence against science is evidence for the EC delusion.
4 November 2015 Sol88: Do you understand the idiocy of that question about a hypothetical mainstream mechanism for narrow jets on Comet 19P?

The question I asked was:
4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the origin of some jets from the walls of pits on 67P?
You missed: 4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the locations that jets have been traced to on 67P (the neck, not highest points)?
 
Sol88 said:
but...
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What about that irrelevant quote, Sol88?
It is not about your delusion that comets are rocks.
It is not about your delusion that there are electrical discharges on comets.
It is not about your presumed delusion that Venus caused the Earth to stop spinning because of poetry in a Bible verse. You are a follower of the Thunderbolts cult whose dogma includes this fantasy.
 
Reality Check said:
Why is that question not unexpected, Sol88?
Oh yes: A list of 29 items of ignorance. lies and delusions from Sol88 over the last 6 years.
The question is idiotic because
  1. This is a thread about the Electric Comet.
  2. The paper is mainstream science, not the Electric Comet delusion.
  3. The paper is about specific narrow jets not jets in general.
  4. Totally unable to comprehend English (the question in my post)!
  5. What make this question actually idiotic is the many years with the fantasy that evidence against science is evidence for the EC delusion.
4 November 2015 Sol88: Do you understand the idiocy of that question about a hypothetical mainstream mechanism for narrow jets on Comet 19P?

The question I asked was:
4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the origin of some jets from the walls of pits on 67P?
You missed: 4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the locations that jets have been traced to on 67P (the neck, not highest points)?
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Good try drop kick!

Cats outa the bag now anyway, PREDICTION = new paper release out stating dusty plasma effect as the dominate mechanism for cometary jet production.

See how we go ay, RC?
 
Sol88 said:
It's electrical (Dusty Plasma)...whoda thunk it :boggled:
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That is a lie about dusty plasma in the observation of jets issuing from the walls of pits: Large heterogeneities in comet 67P as revealed by active pits from sinkhole collapse
That is the ignorance of thinking that a paper called DUSTY PLASMA EFFECTS IN COMETS: EXPECTATIONS FOR ROSETTA (PDF) is about observations of jets issuing from the walls of pits.
whoda thunk that we would see a lie and ignorance :boggled:.
Well everyone who has read this thread: A list of 29 items of ignorance. lies and delusions from Sol88 over the last 6 years.

Plus:
  1. 4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the origin of some jets from the walls of pits on 67P?
  2. 4 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation for the locations that jets have been traced to on 67P (the neck, not highest points)?
  3. 4 November 2015 Sol88: Do you understand the idiocy of that question about a hypothetical mainstream mechanism for narrow jets on Comet 19P?
 
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Reality Check said:
What about that irrelevant quote, Sol88?
It is not about your delusion that comets are rocks.
It is not about your delusion that there are electrical discharges on comets.
It is not about your presumed delusion that Venus caused the Earth to stop spinning because of poetry in a Bible verse. You are a follower of the Thunderbolts cult whose dogma includes this fantasy.
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Just so Reality Check is not getting to confusamatated

Comets are rocks (Mainstream speak= well consolidated material)

Comets have now been shown to be highly electrical active

Electrical discharges have been shown to occur on comets

Venus stopped the Earth from spinning?? Did it please tell me more about this? haven't come across this before
 
 
Sol88 said:
Just so Reality Check is not getting to confusamatated
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Just so you know what your delusions are, Sol88: They are the Electric Comet delusions which that quote is not about :jaw-dropp!
Reality Check said:
What about that irrelevant quote, Sol88?
It is not about your delusion that comets are rocks.
It is not about your delusion that there are electrical discharges on comets.
It is not about your presumed delusion that Venus caused the Earth to stop spinning because of poetry in a Bible verse. You are a follower of the Thunderbolts cult whose dogma includes this fantasy.
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You have forgotten who the Thunderbolts cult prophets are :eye-poppi.
4 November 2015 Sol88: David Talbott is deluded enough to extend the fantasies of Immanuel Velikovsky.
4 November 2015 Sol88: Wal Thornhill is a follower of the fantasies of Immanuel Velikovsky.

ETA: Wal Thornhill presentedThe Electrical Nature of Comets in a 2007 conference.
Do you want to use your great knowledge of physics or comets to point out the ignorance and a lie or 2 in the abstract, Sol88 :p!
 
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Sol88 said:
Electrical discharges have been shown to occur on comets
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That is a lie, Sol88. You have not produced any observations of electrical discharges on any comets.

Sol88 said:
Venus stopped the Earth from spinning?? Did it please tell me more about this? haven't come across this before
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This Thunderbolts cult delusion has been explained to you in this thread.
12 June 2015 Sol88: Is Velikovsky's Venus explaining Joshua 10:13 a delusion or mainstream physics?
 
Sol88 said:
Just so Reality Check is not getting to confusamatated

Comets are rocks (Mainstream speak= well consolidated material)

Comets have now been shown to be highly electrical active

Electrical discharges have been shown to occur on comets

Venus stopped the Earth from spinning?? Did it please tell me more about this? haven't come across this before
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Scientifically illiterate nonsense. Just in case anybody was wondering.
 
Sol88 said:
Electrical discharges have been shown to occur on comets
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Oh yes, when was this then? Point me to the paper. Talking garbage, as usual.
Honestly, anyone would think this is some kind of cult (not spelt wrong), or some kind of quasi-religious b*llocks. Let's see the evidence Sol; you know you haven't got any, nor ever will; why not just give up on this shyster now? He's conned you for long enough, how about turning it round, and starting to ask a few questions back the other way?

You have been CONNED! End of. You're just too scientificaly illiterate to realise it. Hard luck.
 
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jonesdave116 said:
Oh yes, when was this then? Point me to the paper. Talking garbage, as usual.
Honestly, anyone would think this is some kind of cult (not spelt wrong), or some kind of quasi-religious b*llocks. Let's see the evidence Sol; you know you haven't got any, nor ever will; why not just give up on this shyster now? He's conned you for long enough, how about turning it round, and starting to ask a few questions back the other way?

You have been CONNED! End of. You're just too scientificaly illiterate to realise it. Hard luck.
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Have not heard a single explanation from you, Jonesdave116, on the MAINSTREAM mechanism for the production of cometary jets!

So have a crack sport, how do you think jets are formed, maintained and collimated?

Thread below should set you going.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10960917#post10960917
 
maybe you could explain
certain on-and-off mechanism
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Like an electrical discharge???

No of course not, it's
(i.e., the gas source has become extinguished)
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even though the dust continues after the "gas" has pushed it, to accelerate past rosetta?

How does the gas do that?
The gas flow becomes collimated as the sound speed is approached and
dust entrainment in the gas flow creates the observed jets. Outside the cavity, the expanding gas loses its collimated character, but the density
drops rapidly decoupling the dust and gas, allowing the dust to continue in a collimated beam.
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and are we talking "gas" or a slightly ionized "gas" (Plasma)?

I ask, because to the mainstream they seem interchangeable.
 
Sol88 said:
and are we talking "gas" or a slightly ionized "gas" (Plasma)?

I ask, because to the mainstream they seem interchangeable.
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they are not even remotely interchangeable.
the ratio ionized vs. neutral gas is about 10-6, in the coma of 67P, comparison of all p!asma instruments with the cops neutral gas measurements.
now can we call this a plasma, is the question?
and the answer in this case is yes, because we can e.g. observe the electron upper hybrid frequency, indicating collective behaviour of the charged particles, one (1) of the requirements of a plasma.
a little knowledge goes a long way, sol, why not try to actually read e.g. alfven's cosmic electrodynamics and actually learn something about space plasmas or any other book on plasma physics: kivelson & russell, baumjohann & treumann, chen, stix, ..., heck even perrat gets the plasma physics correct if not his simulations)
 
tusenfem said:
they are not even remotely interchangeable.
the ratio ionized vs. neutral gas is about 10-6, in the coma of 67P, comparison of all p!asma instruments with the cops neutral gas measurements.
now can we call this a plasma, is the question?
and the answer in this case is yes, because we can e.g. observe the electron upper hybrid frequency, indicating collective behaviour of the charged particles, one (1) of the requirements of a plasma.
a little knowledge goes a long way, sol, why not try to actually read e.g. alfven's cosmic electrodynamics and actually learn something about space plasmas or any other book on plasma physics: kivelson & russell, baumjohann & treumann, chen, stix, ..., heck even perrat gets the plasma physics correct if not his simulations)
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Some more qualitative answers regarding electric comets reactions with an electric sun are progressing very well in the Safire Project investigation of the electric sun hypothesis.

Part of this is using data from 67P in the experiment, see from here at 20m 03s ...

Montgomery Childs: SAFIRE Project Update | EU2015

Should be very interesting ;)
 
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