Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Sol88: The delusion that the Nebular hypothesis is dogma when it is science.

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Geez, your on the money there JD116!!!
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jonesdave116 did get it right, Sol88. You are blindly following the deluded Thunderbolts cult with is dogma and here are more of your delusions (not about comets) :eek:!

The Nebular hypothesis is science - not your delusional dogma about that comets are rock because they were blasted from the surface of Earth via lightning from Venus as it stopped the Earth spinning, restarted it spinning and dropped manna because of Bible texts.

23 March 2016 Sol88: The delusion that the Nebular hypothesis is dogma when it is science.

The Thunderbolts cult delusion that Birkeland currents have to appear everywhere. We see this in some of their picture of the day posts where they idiotically point at images of plasma filaments and announce them to be Birkeland currents.
Try reading what you link to and understanding what Birkeland currents are. They are terrestrial phenomena that only appeared after Earth formed and are hard to detect - we had to put spacecraft basically inside them :jaw-dropp! IMO they may happen around other planets - maybe Jupiter

23 March 2016 Sol88: Ignorantly parroting the Thunderbolts cult delusion that Birkeland currents have to appear everywhere.
 
The colour-changing comet
Rosetta’s comet has been seen changing colour and brightness in front of the ESA orbiter’s eyes, as the Sun’s heat strips away the older surface to reveal fresher material.

Rosetta’s Visible and InfraRed Thermal Imaging Spectrometer, VIRTIS, began to detect these changes in the sunlit parts of Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – mostly the northern hemisphere and equatorial regions – in the months immediately following the spacecraft’s arrival in August 2014.

A new paper, published in the journal Icarus, reports on the early findings of this study, up to November 2014, during which time Rosetta was operating between 100 km to within 10 km of the comet nucleus. At the same time, the comet itself moved along its orbit closer to the Sun, from about 542 million km to 438 million km
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This is large areas of the nucleus surface being revealed as sublimating ices removes dust. It is not high areas being eroded by imaginary electric discharges as in the electric comet delusion!

Related articles:
Rosetta reveals comet’s water-ice cycle
"23 September 2015 ESA’s Rosetta spacecraft has provided evidence for a daily water-ice cycle on and near the surface of comets."
Exposed water ice detected on comet’s surface
"24 June 2015 Using the high-resolution science camera on board ESA’s Rosetta spacecraft, scientists have identified more than a hundred patches of water ice a few metres in size on the surface of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko."
 
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There have also been a couple of papers recently regarding the possible location of the formation of the ices within 67P. One, that I may have linked to before, was based on N2/CO & Ar/CO ratios being indicative of clathrates formed in the protosolar nebula, relatively close to the Sun:
A protosolar nebula origin for the ices agglomerated by Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
https://www.researchgate.net/public...gglomerated_by_Comet_67PChuryumov-Gerasimenko

The other, more recent one, comes to the same conclusions based on measurements of CH4 & C2H6:
The presence of clathrates in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/2/4/e1501781.full.pdf

Both free access.
 
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jonesdave116 said:
There have also been a couple of papers recently regarding the possible location of the formation of the ices within 67P. One, that I may have linked to before, was based on N2/CO & Ar/CO ratios being indicative of clathrates formed in the protosolar nebula, relatively close to the Sun:
A protosolar nebula origin for the ices agglomerated by Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
https://www.researchgate.net/public...gglomerated_by_Comet_67PChuryumov-Gerasimenko

The other, more recent one, comes to the same conclusions based on measurements of CH4 & C2H6:
The presence of clathrates in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/2/4/e1501781.full.pdf

Both free access.
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and

Don't forget A Star With A Disk Of Water Ice? Meet HD 100546
It might seem incongruous to find water ice in the disk of gas and dust surrounding a star. Fire and ice just don’t mix. We would never find ice near our Sun.
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So the question would need to be asked, "Where does water come from?"

Well from wiki
Distribution in nature:

In the universe


Much of the universe's water is produced as a byproduct of star formation. The formation of stars is accompanied by a strong outward wind of gas and dust. When this outflow of material eventually impacts the surrounding gas, the shock waves that are created compress and heat the gas. The water observed is quickly produced in this warm dense gas.[17]

On 22 July 2011 a report described the discovery of a gigantic cloud of water vapor containing "140 trillion times more water than all of Earth's oceans combined" around a quasar located 12 billion light years from Earth. According to the researchers, the "discovery shows that water has been prevalent in the universe for nearly its entire existence".[18][19]

Water has been detected in interstellar clouds within our galaxy, the Milky Way.[citation needed] Water probably exists in abundance in other galaxies, too, because its components, hydrogen and oxygen, are among the most abundant elements in the universe. Based on models of the formation and evolution of the Solar System and that of other star systems, most other planetary systems are likely to have similar ingredients.
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So the "wind", we assume, is a solar wind or more correctly a PLASMA (
The solar wind is a stream of charged particles released from the upper atmosphere of the Sun. This plasma consists of mostly electrons, protons and alpha particles with energies usually between 1.5 and 10 keV; embedded in the solar-wind plasma is the interplanetary magnetic field
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)and the dust is, we assume again, is Cosmic dust...
In circumstellar dust, astronomers have found molecular signatures of CO, silicon carbide, amorphous silicate, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, water ice, and polyformaldehyde, among others (in the diffuse interstellar medium, there is evidence for silicate and carbon grains).
Cometary dust is generally different (with overlap) from asteroidal dust. Asteroidal dust resembles carbonaceous chondritic meteorites. Cometary dust resembles interstellar grains which can include silicates, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and water ice.
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So we have a plasma stream and refractory dust "making water" around stars, same as the water detected coming from a comet which in essence are acting like mini suns!

JD116 tell me again about the "ice" detected from Tempel 1.

So all we need is dust and plasma (ubiquitous throughout the Universe) "making" water which is also ubiquitous through the Universe!!! :D

but...

Comets, well there different ay???
 
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Sol88 said:
Don't forget A Star With A Disk Of Water Ice? Meet HD 100546
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Do not forget that quote mining is bad, Sol88 :p!
A Star With A Disk Of Water Ice? Meet HD 100546
It might seem incongruous to find water ice in the disk of gas and dust surrounding a star. Fire and ice just don’t mix. We would never find ice near our Sun.

But our Sun is old. About 5 billion years old, with about 5 billion more to go. Some younger stars, of a type called Herbig Ae/Be stars (after American astronomer George Herbig,) are so young that they are surrounded by a circumstellar disk of gas and dust which hasn’t been used up by the formation of planets yet. For these types of stars, the presence of water ice is not necessarily unexpected.
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This is the detection of water ice in the circumstellar disk around a 10 million year old star.

ETA: It is nice of you to provide evidence for water ices around a new star that will be collected by comets in its future. But you are shooting the Thunderbolts cult delusion in the head :eek:!
 
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JD116 tell me again about the "ice" detected from Tempel 1.
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Sol88, tell us when you will stop lying about ices (no scare quotes) detected from Tempel 1.

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. mostly cited by Haig.
291 days and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

ETA:
18 March 2016 Sol88: The delusion that detecting that comets are made of various amounts of ices and dust invalidates the model that comets are made of ices and dust!
18 March 2016 Sol88: Lies yet again with "ices" when comets have ices.
18 March 2016 Sol88: A lie about ices being hidden - we have detected lots of ice on comets, e.g. the impact ejecta from Tempel 1 and several Rosetta observations.
18 March 2016 Sol88: Delusion that comets have not been confirmed to have been made of ices and dust.
21 March 2016 Sol88: How does the electric comet delusion explain this tweet with science not fantasies?
21 March 2016 Sol88: Literally a "god" of the gaps argument from a "solar system formation completely" tweet.
21 March 2016 Sol88: A lie - it was the measured density of comets lead to a composition of ices and dust in the 1950's
21 March 2016 Sol88: A lie - Rosetta went to 67P to study 67P in detail (not to confirm imaginary assumptions).
21 March 2016 Sol88: A lie about an assumption that comets formed during the formation of the solar system (it is a rational conclusion from the evidence).
23 March 2016 Sol88: The delusion that the Nebular hypothesis is dogma when it is science.
23 March 2016 Sol88: Ignorantly parroting the Thunderbolts cult delusion that Birkeland currents have to appear everywhere.
 
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@ RC

You compleatly, as usual, missed the point :o

Read it again, slowly...

Much of the universe's water is produced as a byproduct of star formation. The formation of stars is accompanied by a strong outward wind of gas and dust. When this outflow of material eventually impacts the surrounding gas, the shock waves that are created compress and heat the gas. The water observed is quickly produced in this warm dense gas.[17]
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And since the EU mob believe in the Electric Sun and not in the mainstream BS on some hidden fairies hiding deep unseen within the sun, then this "water is produced as a byproduct of star formation" statement holds true.

Same on comets! :)

The true power of the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE shines thru again... not ad hoc made up codswallop!

I mean any rational thinking human being would question the whole
When this outflow of material eventually impacts the surrounding gas, the shock waves that are created compress and heat the gas. The water observed is quickly produced in this warm dense gas.
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Ha ha ha funny stuff that!!
 
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@ RC

You compleatly, as usual, missed the point :o

Read it again, slowly...



And since the EU mob believe in the Electric Sun and not in the mainstream BS on some hidden fairies hiding deep unseen within the sun, then this "water is produced as a byproduct of star formation" statement holds true.

Same on comets! :)

The true power of the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE shines thru again... not ad hoc made up codswallop!

I mean any rational thinking human being would question the whole

Ha ha ha funny stuff that!!
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What is the same on comets? How are you getting all the H2O, CO2, CO, not to mention dozens of other compounds only found in protosolar nebulas and dense interstellar molecular clouds, beneath the surface of a comet? What are the reaction pathways in this evidence free electric sun woo? How are you keeping all that together when a rocky planet (which doesn't have these molecules lying around on the surface) is hit by a non-existent electric thunderbolt?
What are the formation temperatures of these ices?

The electric sun is not only proven to be woo, it simply cannot answer any of these questions. It is a fairy tale, made up by a couple of used car salesmen who have, as their one skill, the ability to con scientifically illiterate wannabes who can never quantify anything. If you asked them how many legs they have, they would need the use of their fingers to figure it out.
 
Sol88: "Drinks the Kool-Aid" by parroting the deluded electric sun fantasy.

Sol88 said:
@ RC
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I am not interested in your parroting of deluded EU electric sun BS that has nothing to do with this thread, Sol88.
13 April 2016 Sol88: "Drinks the Kool-Aid" by parroting the deluded electric sun fantasy.
That "mainstream BS" about solar physics comment shows how badly you have fallen for the Thunderbolts cult BS. A child can understand that we have observed the neutrinos that can only be produced by fusion at the centre of the Sun. A rational adult who has learned about physics can understand that a body of hydrogen plasma the mass of the Sun will undergo fusion at its centre.

Obviously you are not that "rational thinking human being", Sol88, because they will not see anything wrong with Water
When this outflow of material eventually impacts the surrounding gas, the shock waves that are created compress and heat the gas. The water observed is quickly produced in this warm dense gas.
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13 April 2016 Sol88: Ignorance of basic science - shockwaves produce "warm dense gas" and chemical reactions (e.g. H2 + O -> H2O) go faster in "warm dense gas".

ETA: 14th January 2016, jonesdave116 wrote "So, all in all, I'd say the EU is still batting zero. Not only were they wrong; they were horribly wrong" links to Wal Thornhill repeating lies from 2005 in 2010 :jaw-dropp!
For example, Wal Thornhill lied in 2005 about a flash before impact in the Deep Impact mission to Tempel 1. Wal Thornhill repeats this lie about a flash before impact in 2010. Lots of other lies and delusions in the blog post by Wal Thornhill.

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!) - added March 2016 lies and delusions.
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. mostly cited by Haig.
292 days and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.
 
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Reality Check said:
I am not interested in your parroting of deluded EU electric sun BS that has nothing to do with this thread, Sol88.
13 April 2016 Sol88: "Drinks the Kool-Aid" by parroting the deluded electric sun fantasy.
That "mainstream BS" about solar physics comment shows how badly you have fallen for the Thunderbolts cult BS. A child can understand that we have observed the neutrinos that can only be produced by fusion at the centre of the Sun. A rational adult who has learned about physics can understand that a body of hydrogen plasma the mass of the Sun will undergo fusion at its centre.

Obviously you are not that "rational thinking human being", Sol88, because they will not see anything wrong with Water

13 April 2016 Sol88: Ignorance of basic science - shockwaves produce "warm dense gas" and chemical reactions (e.g. H2 + O -> H2O) go faster in "warm dense gas".



snipped the drivel....

Ahhh!!! the old flavour changing neutrinos
Flavours beget mass

As it turns out, neutrinos come in three “flavours”, electron, muon and tau, suggesting a way to make the numbers match theory. The sun was thought to produce electron neutrinos only, and if these particles were somehow morphing into the other two flavours as they travelled through space, it could explain the anomaly. But it would also mean that neutrinos were not massless – instead they would have an almost immeasurably tiny mass.
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No more needs to be said really, like dark matter and dark energy suggesting a way to make the numbers match theory. :blush:

or the theory is wrong....:jaw-dropp


and me 'ol mate, tell me all about
Much of the universe's water is produced as a byproduct of star formation. The formation of stars is accompanied by a strong outward wind of gas and dust. When this outflow of material eventually impacts the surrounding gas, the shock waves that are created compress and heat the gas. The water observed is quickly produced in this warm dense gas.[17]
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again

but...

first just have a look at this Shock waves are common in astrophysical environments

Because of the low ambient density, most astronomical shocks are collisionless. This means that the shocks are not formed by two-body Coulomb collisions, since the mean free path for these collisions is too large, often exceeding the size of the system. It is widely accepted that the mechanism driving these shocks consists of plasma instabilities, that operate on the scale of plasma skin depth, which is typically much shorter than the mean free path.
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Ohhh surprise surprise, it's electrical!!!!!

See post11225604
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I like your enthusiasm though, Reality Check. But deluded springs to mind again...

warm gas....:dl:
 
Sol88: The abysmal ignorance of thinking that neutrino oscillations are just theory

Sol88 said:
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Ahhh!!! the old flavour changing neutrinos
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We start with
13 April 2016 Sol88: "Drinks the Kool-Aid" by parroting the deluded electric sun fantasy.
And add
14 April 2016 Sol88: The abysmal ignorance of thinking that neutrino oscillations are just theory!
Neutrino oscillation
First predicted by Bruno Pontecorvo in 1957,[2] neutrino oscillation has since been observed by a multitude of experiments in several different contexts. Also, it turned out to be the resolution to the long-standing solar neutrino problem.
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Sol88: Plasma instabilities are electromagnetic, not your "electrical"

Sol88 said:
Ohhh surprise surprise, it's electrical!!!!!
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Ohhh surprise surprise, Sol88 ignorance about physics :p!
In response to
13 April 2016 Sol88: Ignorance of basic science - shockwaves produce "warm dense gas" and chemical reactions (e.g. H2 + O -> H2O) go faster in "warm dense gas".

You cite Shock waves are common in astrophysical environments
Because of the low ambient density, most astronomical shocks are collisionless. This means that the shocks are not formed by two-body Coulomb collisions, since the mean free path for these collisions is too large, often exceeding the size of the system. It is widely accepted that the mechanism driving these shocks consists of plasma instabilities, that operate on the scale of plasma skin depth, which is typically much shorter than the mean free path.
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and basically lie about the mechanism being electrical when the mechanism is electromagnetic.
The two-body Coulomb collisions that do not happen are in fact electrical :D!
14 April 2016 Sol88: Plasma instabilities are electromagnetic, not your "electrical"
 
Sol88 said:
But deluded springs to mind again...
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No new delusions in todays post, Sol88 - just abysmal ignorance.

  1. 18 March 2016 Sol88: The delusion that detecting that comets are made of various amounts of ices and dust invalidates the model that comets are made of ices and dust!
  2. 18 March 2016 Sol88: Lies yet again with "ices" when comets have ices.
  3. 18 March 2016 Sol88: A lie about ices being hidden - we have detected lots of ice on comets, e.g. the impact ejecta from Tempel 1 and several Rosetta observations.
  4. 18 March 2016 Sol88: Delusion that comets have not been confirmed to have been made of ices and dust.
  5. 21 March 2016 Sol88: How does the electric comet delusion explain this tweet with science not fantasies?
  6. 21 March 2016 Sol88: Literally a "god" of the gaps argument from a "solar system formation completely" tweet.
  7. 21 March 2016 Sol88: A lie - it was the measured density of comets lead to a composition of ices and dust in the 1950's
  8. 21 March 2016 Sol88: A lie - Rosetta went to 67P to study 67P in detail (not to confirm imaginary assumptions).
  9. 21 March 2016 Sol88: A lie about an assumption that comets formed during the formation of the solar system (it is a rational conclusion from the evidence).
  10. 23 March 2016 Sol88: The delusion that the Nebular hypothesis is dogma when it is science.
  11. 23 March 2016 Sol88: Ignorantly parroting the Thunderbolts cult delusion that Birkeland currents have to appear everywhere.
  12. 13 April 2016 Sol88: "Drinks the Kool-Aid" by parroting the deluded electric sun fantasy.
  13. 13 April 2016 Sol88: Still cannot understand that Wal Thornhill has been lying to Sol88 for many years (11 years to the general public) :eek:!
  14. 14 April 2016 Sol88: The abysmal ignorance of thinking that neutrino oscillations are just theory!
  15. 14 April 2016 Sol88: Plasma instabilities are electromagnetic, not your "electrical"
The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!) - added March 2016 lies and delusions.
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. mostly cited by Haig.
293 days and counting of fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.
 
Reality Check said:
Ohhh surprise surprise, Sol88 ignorance about physics :p!
In response to
13 April 2016 Sol88: Ignorance of basic science - shockwaves produce "warm dense gas" and chemical reactions (e.g. H2 + O -> H2O) go faster in "warm dense gas".

You cite Shock waves are common in astrophysical environments

and basically lie about the mechanism being electrical when the mechanism is electromagnetic.
The two-body Coulomb collisions that do not happen are in fact electrical :D!
14 April 2016 Sol88: Plasma instabilities are electromagnetic, not your "electrical"
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So you concede then after 6 years, RC?

Not a lie spoken by me but 'mainstream" astrophysicists seem to still be stumped by electromagnetism. They acknowledge the magnetic and ignore the electric , why?

This field in astrophysics is making rapid progress, with understanding of how the random field is generated having become reasonably well-established only in the last decade or so (it’s generated by turbulence in the ISM, modeled as a single-phase magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) fluid, within which magnetic field lines are frozen). On the other hand, the production of the large-scale field by the winding of the random fields into a spiral, by differential rotation (a dynamo), has been known for much longer.
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Where's the electric current?

Electromagnetism, which includes both electricity and magnetism as elements of one phenomenon
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Frozen in magnetic fields :dl:
Warm Gas :dl:
Compressing and heating space :dl::dl:


ampere (electric current) :)
coulomb (electric charge) :)
farad (capacitance) :)
henry (inductance) :)
ohm (resistance) :)
siemens (conductance) :)
tesla (magnetic flux density) :)
volt (electric potential) :)
watt (power) :)
weber (magnetic flux) :)

and

Resonance :)



Fact remains, the ELECTROMAGNETIC force dominates the extremely weak force of gravity....as stated as the main tenant of the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!!!
 
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