The General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis

Dammit. It's too late to edit out the word "to" from my last post.
 
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marplots said:
It all sounds very reasonable to me.

Any chance we could get a link?
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Thank you.

Because you can see how reasonable it is, I will link you to the first video Mr. Bill Gaede made for me concerning it. A lot has changed since then. Its basically not the same theory anymore, but there are many ideas that are still kept, like gas giants adopting their previously existing moons and what not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINLrXi54zA

I hope you can learn the theory in its entirety. I hope to bring the power of good theory to the masses, because they have been fed nonsense for many years now. Its a shame many "skeptical" people in here can't see that.
 
jeffreyw: The delusional YouTube Video "Earth is older than the Sun!"!

jeffreyw said:
Because you can see how reasonable it is, I will link you to the first video Mr. Bill Gaede ....
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Oh dear, jeffreyw - the everything is ropes crank Bill Gaede with his screeds of YouTube videos and no science :jaw-dropp?
This is the idiot with the "youstupidrelativist" web site (not worth linking to). His abysmal ignorance of all physics is worse then yours.
27 June 2016 jeffreyw: Does not know an implied endorsement by the ignorant crank Bill Gaede is a bad idea!

27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusional YouTube Video "Earth is older than the Sun!"!
This is the real Earth
According to radiometric dating and other sources of evidence, Earth formed about 4.54 billion years ago.
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This is the real Sun
The Sun is a G-type main-sequence star (G2V) based on spectral class and it is informally referred to as a yellow dwarf. It formed approximately 4.6 billion[a][9][18] years ago from the gravitational collapse of matter within a region of a large molecular cloud.
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Reality Check said:
Oh dear, jeffreyw - the everything is ropes crank Bill Gaede with his screeds of YouTube videos and no science :jaw-dropp?
This is the idiot with the "youstupidrelativist" web site (not worth linking to). His abysmal ignorance of all physics is worse then yours.
27 June 2016 jeffreyw: Does not know an implied endorsement by the ignorant crank Bill Gaede is a bad idea!

27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusional YouTube Video "Earth is older than the Sun!"!
This is the real Earth

This is the real Sun
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I am going to do everything in my power to crush establishment dogma and there's nothing you can do to stop me. Keep commenting. It will be a waste of time for you. I guarantee it.
 
Wolrab said:
jeffreyw said:
Thank you.

like gas giants adopting their previously existing moons and what not.

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Wait, what? Where do moons come from if not really old, really small stars? Consistency please.
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If the moon is differentiated with an iron/nickel core it is the remains of an ancient dead star.

Moons are really old, dead stars if they are differentiated with iron/nickel cores. If there is no differentiation then they are impact remains. I thought this was already covered?

Please do not continue to waste my time. That's why I haven't been responding to these comments. They show you haven't been reading the theory.
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jeffreyw said:
If the moon is differentiated with an iron/nickel core it is the remains of an ancient dead star.
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That is an ignorant statement, jeffreyw: If a moon is differentiated with an iron/nickel core then it is a moon (not a star or planet) with an iron/nickel core.
A star has measured properties including being maybe millions of times heavier than a moon and having a totally different composition from moons
 
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jeffreyw: The delusion that something called "establishment dogma" exists.

jeffreyw said:
I am going to do everything in my power to crush establishment dogma ...
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Persisting in abysmal ignorance and delusions cannot crush anything except your own intelligence, jeffreyw. Relying on the abysmal ignorance and delusions of other cranks will not help either.
27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusion that something called "establishment dogma" exists.
What exists is mainstream science backed up with evidence that millions of physics students have learned, e.g. the masses of stars and planets, etc. that make your ideas into delusions.

Read the pit of ignorance and delusion (and some lies) you have been digging yourself deeper into: 17 June 2016 jeffreyw: 37 items of ignorance and delusion since 15th January 2015

  1. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion from 27 December 2014 - establishment science does not have life forming on comets.
  2. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that plasma at temperatures of stars have "electrochemical" and "redox" reactions.
  3. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that stars are not powered by fusion (we detect the neutrinos from that fusion from the Sun!)
  4. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that life forms on stars - the Earth is not a star now and was not a star when life originated here.
  5. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: Conspiracy theory fantasy about peer review.
  6. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that stars are "big hot and bright" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  7. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that planets are "small, cold and dim" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  8. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that " Nobody seems to have asked the question, "what happens when stars don't shine anymore?"".
  9. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: New stars are observed to from collapsing gas clouds, not imaginary Bennett pinches.
  10. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: It is not difficult to understand that stars are hundreds of thousands of times heavier than planets and remain that heavy when they cool down :eek:!
  11. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: The idiocy of labeling astronomers as "creationists" :jaw-dropp!
  12. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: Does not know an implied endorsement by the ignorant crank Bill Gaede is a bad idea!
  13. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusional YouTube Video "Earth is older than the Sun!"!
 
Reality Check said:
That is an ignorant statement, jeffreyw: If a moon is differentiated with an iron/nickel core then it is a moon (not a star or planet) with an iron/nickel core.
A star has measured properties including being maybe millions of times heavier than a moon and having a totally different composition from moons
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With that statement I'm going to give you the benefit of a doubt.

Stars lose mass.

Do you understand now?

If you can't just imagine this:

A star loses mass for 10 billion years. What's left over?

Oh and I'd prefer you leave out statements like, "ignorant". Lets see who's the ignorant one.
 
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Reality Check said:
Persisting in abysmal ignorance and delusions cannot crush anything except your own intelligence, jeffreyw. Relying on the abysmal ignorance and delusions of other cranks will not help either.
27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusion that something called "establishment dogma" exists.
What exists is mainstream science backed up with evidence that millions of physics students have learned, e.g. the masses of stars and planets, etc. that make your ideas into delusions.

Read the pit of ignorance and delusion (and some lies) you have been digging yourself deeper into: 17 June 2016 jeffreyw: 37 items of ignorance and delusion since 15th January 2015

  1. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion from 27 December 2014 - establishment science does not have life forming on comets.
  2. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that plasma at temperatures of stars have "electrochemical" and "redox" reactions.
  3. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that stars are not powered by fusion (we detect the neutrinos from that fusion from the Sun!)
  4. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that life forms on stars - the Earth is not a star now and was not a star when life originated here.
  5. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: Conspiracy theory fantasy about peer review.
  6. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that stars are "big hot and bright" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  7. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that planets are "small, cold and dim" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  8. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that " Nobody seems to have asked the question, "what happens when stars don't shine anymore?"".
  9. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: New stars are observed to from collapsing gas clouds, not imaginary Bennett pinches.
  10. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: It is not difficult to understand that stars are hundreds of thousands of times heavier than planets and remain that heavy when they cool down :eek:!
  11. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: The idiocy of labeling astronomers as "creationists" :jaw-dropp!
  12. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: Does not know an implied endorsement by the ignorant crank Bill Gaede is a bad idea!
  13. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusional YouTube Video "Earth is older than the Sun!"!
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Nothing in this comment has any effect on me. I suggest doing something else with your life, you are wasting your time.
 
I have slowly realized that over the years the people in this thread have not come to terms with what is happening. I can break it down:

1. Establishment science is false dogma. They have been teaching you that stars are fusion reactors and planets are cold dead worlds that are only hot because of the left over heat of formation.

This is incorrect. A "planet" is an evolving star. This means stellar evolution is planet formation. It will be a large pill to swallow, but like antibiotics it will be good for ya.

Here is another video where I explain it very simply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeM5pRcuOsA
 
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jeffreyw said:
Stars lose mass.
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Stars do not lose the amount of mass you want them to lose in order to match your delusion that planets are stars.
No star loses 99.99% of its mass. Stars in general age and become white dwarf stars, neutron stars or black holes.
No star will ever become rocky as in a planet.

Understand a basic fact abut the universe - it will not obey your fantasies :eek!
 
jeffreyw said:
...are wasting your time.
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I know that pointing out ignorance, delusions and lies to a crank is unlikely to have any effect.
It is never a waste of time to document the ignorance, delusions and lies of a crank for everyone in the world to reread for however long the Internet lasts. From now on when people look up 'General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis', this thread will appear :jaw-dropp!

Read the pit of ignorance and delusion (and some lies) you have been digging yourself deeper into: 17 June 2016 jeffreyw: 37 items of ignorance and delusion since 15th January 2015
14 new items - another 6 and I will merge this into a 57 items of ignorance and delusion since 15th January 2015 list.
  1. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion from 27 December 2014 - establishment science does not have life forming on comets.
  2. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that plasma at temperatures of stars have "electrochemical" and "redox" reactions.
  3. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that stars are not powered by fusion (we detect the neutrinos from that fusion from the Sun!)
  4. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that life forms on stars - the Earth is not a star now and was not a star when life originated here.
  5. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: Conspiracy theory fantasy about peer review.
  6. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that stars are "big hot and bright" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  7. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that planets are "small, cold and dim" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  8. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that " Nobody seems to have asked the question, "what happens when stars don't shine anymore?"".
  9. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: New stars are observed to from collapsing gas clouds, not imaginary Bennett pinches.
  10. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: It is not difficult to understand that stars are hundreds of thousands of times heavier than planets and remain that heavy when they cool down :eek:!
  11. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: The idiocy of labeling astronomers as "creationists" :jaw-dropp!
  12. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: Does not know an implied endorsement by the ignorant crank Bill Gaede is a bad idea!
  13. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusional YouTube Video "Earth is older than the Sun!"!
  14. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusion that something called "establishment dogma" exists.
 
Reality Check said:
Stars do not lose the amount of mass you want them to lose in order to match your delusion that planets are stars.
No star loses 99.99% of its mass. Stars in general age and become white dwarf stars, neutron stars or black holes.
No star will ever become rocky as in a planet.

Understand a basic fact abut the universe - it will not obey your fantasies :eek!
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Your delusion is that white dwarfs are 100,000 kelvin and at the end of stellar evolution. No dead/dying star is that hot. I appropriately place them at the beginning, directly after supernova. Dead stars are cold worlds, near the temperature of Pluto's surface. Please offer a real challenge, this is old.
 
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Reality Check said:
I know that pointing out ignorance, delusions and lies to a crank is unlikely to have any effect.
It is never a waste of time to document the ignorance, delusions and lies of a crank for everyone in the world to reread for however long the Internet lasts. From now on when people look up 'General Theory of Stellar Metamorphosis', this thread will appear :jaw-dropp!

Read the pit of ignorance and delusion (and some lies) you have been digging yourself deeper into: 17 June 2016 jeffreyw: 37 items of ignorance and delusion since 15th January 2015
14 new items - another 6 and I will merge this into a 57 items of ignorance and delusion since 15th January 2015 list.
  1. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: A delusion from 27 December 2014 - establishment science does not have life forming on comets.
  2. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that plasma at temperatures of stars have "electrochemical" and "redox" reactions.
  3. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that stars are not powered by fusion (we detect the neutrinos from that fusion from the Sun!)
  4. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: The 27 December 2014 delusion that life forms on stars - the Earth is not a star now and was not a star when life originated here.
  5. 20 June 2016 jeffreyw: Conspiracy theory fantasy about peer review.
  6. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that stars are "big hot and bright" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  7. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that planets are "small, cold and dim" by tradition - it is observations and measurements that establish this.
  8. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: A lie that " Nobody seems to have asked the question, "what happens when stars don't shine anymore?"".
  9. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: New stars are observed to from collapsing gas clouds, not imaginary Bennett pinches.
  10. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: It is not difficult to understand that stars are hundreds of thousands of times heavier than planets and remain that heavy when they cool down :eek:!
  11. 21 June 2016 jeffreyw: The idiocy of labeling astronomers as "creationists" :jaw-dropp!
  12. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: Does not know an implied endorsement by the ignorant crank Bill Gaede is a bad idea!
  13. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusional YouTube Video "Earth is older than the Sun!"!
  14. 27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The delusion that something called "establishment dogma" exists.
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Still wasting your time I see.
 
jeffreyw said:
They have been teaching you that stars are fusion reactors ...
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More ignorance leading to a delusion, jeffreyw?
27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The ignorant delusion that stars are not fusion powered.

"They" do not teach this. Astronomy students work out fro themselves that the sun is fusion powered using the known laws of physics. Simply put:
  • Balance gravity against pressure to give stable balls of gas. This gives an equation for the pressure at any depth within a star, e.g. its core.
  • Use the gas laws to derive the temperature at the core of a star given the pressure.
  • Use nuclear physics to show that the temperature and pressure at the core of a star means fusion has to happen.
  • More advanced: Calculate the neutrino flux from the fusion that matches the energy output of the Sun. Test this against the observed neutrino flux and see that they match.
Physics students also learn abut the history of astronomy and how alternative scientific explanations have been shown to be wrong by producing short lived stars. No fuel burning. No heat from gravitational collapse, no heat from fission, etc.


Of course they do not learn about whatever delusion you have to replace fusion.
 
Reality Check said:
More ignorance leading to a delusion, jeffreyw?
27 June 2016 jeffreyw: The ignorant delusion that stars are not fusion powered.

"They" do not teach this. Astronomy students work out fro themselves that the sun is fusion powered using the known laws of physics. Simply put:
  • Balance gravity against pressure to give stable balls of gas. This gives an equation for the pressure at any depth within a star, e.g. its core.
  • Use the gas laws to derive the temperature at the core of a star given the pressure.
  • Use nuclear physics to show that the temperature and pressure at the core of a star means fusion has to happen.
  • More advanced: Calculate the neutrino flux from the fusion that matches the energy output of the Sun. Test this against the observed neutrino flux and see that they match.
Physics students also learn abut the history of astronomy and how alternative scientific explanations have been shown to be wrong by producing short lived stars. No fuel burning. No heat from gravitational collapse, no heat from fission, etc.


Of course they do not learn about whatever delusion you have to replace fusion.
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Fusion occurs in birthing galaxies. Eddington's 1920's delusion can suck it compared to radio observations.

Hercules A would be his worst nightmare, where the velocities for fusion are occurring. Sorry to hurt your ego, but the stellar fusion model has been wrong for 100 years.

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Wake up son. You have been lost. You are the delusional, lost, ignorant one. Where's your boy Eddington with his horse drawn carriages and backwards creationism? He's dead, lets keep it that way.
 
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