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23rd August 2017, 03:28 PM | #241 |
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Sol88: The problem is his ignorant delusions about a paper
24 August 2017 Sol88: The problem is his ignorant delusions about a paper (bulk = not surface!).
A homogeneous nucleus for comet 67P/Churyumov– Gerasimenko from its gravity field is not about the first few meters of the surface that MUPUS-PEN sampled or the rest of his deluded highlights of the paper and his usual insane comments. 24 August 2017 Sol88: Idiotic mention of a paper on ices and dust comets in his comet delusions thread. |
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23rd August 2017, 03:36 PM | #242 |
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Sol88: A lie about an ""old chestnut" when we have mechanisms to put dust in the coma
24 August 2017 Sol88: A lie about an ""old chestnut" when we have mechanisms to put dust in the coma which he has cited .
24 August 2017 Sol88: Second idiotic mention of a paper on ices and dust comets in his comet delusions thread. 24 August 2017 Sol88: Third idiotic mention of a paper on ices and dust comets in his comet delusions thread. 24 August 2017 Sol88: Third time today not citing the papers he mentions and quotes. GIADA: shining a light on the monitoring of the comet dust production from the nucleus of 67P/Churyumov Gerasimenko Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko Read 254 items of ignorance, delusion and lies dating from 29 August 2016 to 23 August 2017 (maybe hundreds more in the last 8 years!) for his previous delusions and lies about dust activity. |
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23rd August 2017, 11:40 PM | #243 |
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24th August 2017, 06:42 PM | #244 |
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24th August 2017, 07:25 PM | #245 |
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Sol88: Idiotic citing of a mainstream paper in a thread about his comet delusions
25 August 2017 Sol88: Idiotic citing of a mainstream paper in a thread about his comet delusions.
To which we can add the inability to read English and so 25 August 2017 Sol88: Citing a paper that debunks the comets are rocks part of his delusions! 21 August 2017 Sol88: "Interesting" ignorance because main-belt comets show that his comets are rocks delusions are just that! |
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24th August 2017, 07:36 PM | #247 |
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Well maybe we can start at the start?
Mainstream get there assumption from models developed to try and explain observations. Such as..
So now after all the new data and observation we can rule out and the icy conglomerate model (Klinger et al. 1985), is on very shaky ground. So that basically leaves the mainstream with NO MODEL to try and make sense of the data and observation. So ad hoc explanations that are untestable rule the roost! but the ELECTRIC COMET... Solid as ROCK!! |
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24th August 2017, 07:39 PM | #248 |
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24th August 2017, 07:44 PM | #249 |
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Hybrid modelling of cometary plasma environments
go knock yourself out! If fact, how does that work inside the diamagnetic cavity? |
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24th August 2017, 11:18 PM | #250 |
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but the EC WHAT EXACTLY?
please enlighten us by writing up how the electric comet is supposed to work. but note that even DT could not explain it, because it was not a "model" is was more like a "hypothesis" (I'd say more like loose sand) YOU seem to be the expert here on the EC, so the burden is on YOU in this thread which is actually called (so you don't forget); The Electric Comet Theory |
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24th August 2017, 11:22 PM | #251 |
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25th August 2017, 05:03 AM | #252 |
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But it is coupled via complex plasma phenomena, including I'd say double layers!
Or as you'd call 'em, plasma boundaries As if in the dust is coupled all the way from the rock hard surface of the comet, all the way in a circuit way out too whoop whoop and back! The focus for the energy is the comet nucleus itself! The bright spots are not ice but indeed the glow mode electric discharge machining of solid rock producing very fine dust composed on some comets as extremely high temperature minerals. Flash heated in a arc mode EDM, not seen on this low These are confined into collimated 'jets' that we observe doing there thing. But Hartley 2, had em stumped for water produced per surface area of nucleus... |
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25th August 2017, 05:49 AM | #253 |
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yeah whatever! you know nothing sol snow
If you are actually interested in the diamagnetic cavity then you should read Etienne Behar's paper The birth and growth of a solar wind cavity around a comet – Rosetta observations I am still waiting on the first paper by the EC community! |
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27th August 2017, 05:25 PM | #254 |
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Sol88: Usual idiocy of citing mainstream comet paper and lying about them
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27th August 2017, 05:28 PM | #255 |
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Sol88: Idiotic citation of an irrelevant mainstream comet paper
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27th August 2017, 05:37 PM | #256 |
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Sol88[/B]: Ignorant "double layer" fantasies
28 August 2017 Sol88: Ignorant "double layer" fantasies.
28 August 2017 Sol88: Insanely ignorant statements about "bright spots" based on his comet delusions. 28 August 2017 Sol88: A probable lie about Hartley 2 (no citation). 28 August 2017 Sol88: A delusion about Hartley 2 since his comet delusions have no "water produced per surface area of nucleus" at all ! |
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27th August 2017, 05:41 PM | #258 |
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Sol88: An irrelevant rant with the usual lies about the mainstream model
28 August 2017 Sol88: An irrelevant rant with the usual lies about the mainstream model.
The mainstream model of sublimating ices has worked for the last 70 years. Your comet delusions as you know have been debunked since the day they were proposed by the existing data on comets. |
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27th August 2017, 10:48 PM | #259 |
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I still dont get why Sol seems to equate density with hardness- just because something is hard, doesnt mean its dense, and vice versa
Oh and thankyou to tusenfem and the others for posting links to the various papers, its fascinating to see the progress on the various missions continuing long after the 'media' drops them |
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Exactly, dislocations in a lattice structure reduce density but can increase hardness.
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From my metallurgy classes I recall the three primary crystalline structures for steel as Austenite, Pearlite and Martensite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austenite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearlite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martensite While austenite is denser martensite is significantly harder (can also be harder than pearlite), again due to the number of dislocations.
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2nd September 2017, 05:46 PM | #261 |
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Yup, or it could also be rock, in fact bedrock!
Geomorphology of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko Samuel P. D. Birch,1‹ Y. Tang,2 A. G. Hayes,1,2 R. L. Kirk,3 D. Bodewits,4 H. Campins,5 Y. Fernandez,5 R. de Freitas Bart,2 N. W. Kutsop,2 H. Sierks,6 J. M. Soderblom,7 S. W. Squyres1,2 and J-B. Vincent6,8
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I don't get why they designed and lander to land on a comet, made as we KNOW of dust and ice, and not design the penetrator to penetrate highly porous 'ice' with some dust!
Complete FAIL! Unless they just proved comets are NOT made from ice and dust matrix Which I think, from the abstract, is the correct terminology for a comet nucleus, comets are a ROCKY body! |
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So really the only question is if comets are rocks, rocky, well consolidated material, bedrock... take your pick. Then what are the implications for the solar nebula hypothesis?
Or as Reality check would like to know, 'where does the rock come from'? |
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Your citaion doesn't say "in fact bedrock" it refers to "Layered bedrock units...". a method of identifying different layers of stratified material.
https://www1.maine.gov/dacf/mgs/pubs...k/bed-read.htm How exactly does the EC model the lithification of that "in fact bedrock"? The dislocation and anchoring factors apply to hardness in general and have particular relevance for stratified materials. As those dislocation and anchoring elements can be an inherent result of the layering process. |
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Sol88: The usual lie about comets being rock by citing mainstream papers
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3rd September 2017, 02:53 PM | #267 |
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Sol88: 2 lies about the MUPUS-PEN design and testing that he has cited several times
A 'ice' lie.
Another lie because he does know about the MUPUS-PEN design and testing using the knowledge of comets in about 2001. MUPUS-PEN was designed to penetrate highly porous ice with some dust. What we found was highly porous sintered ice with some dust. 4 September 2017 Sol88: A couple of lies about the MUPUS-PEN design and testing that he has cited several times. 4 September 2017 Sol88: Usual unthinking parroting of Thunderbolts cult dogma of comets being rocks. |
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Sol88: The idiocy again of citing mainstream comets are not rocks science
4 September 2017 Sol88: The idiocy again of citing mainstream comets are not rocks science!
Insane repeating what has been already addressed in the last 8 years of the thread. NASA's Stardust Comet Samples Contain Minerals Born in Fire Stardust detected the expected non-planetary grains but his delusions demand planetary material. The grains formed in the early solar system but his delusions demand grains formed today. Some of the grains have minerals formed in the inner solar system ("Born in Fire") and were transported to the outer solar system to make up comets. Comet’s minerals hint at liquid water Liquid water as in ices melted by heat from the Sun - again in the early solar system ! |
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GIADA: shining a light on the monitoring of the comet dust production from the nucleus of 67P/Churyumov Gerasimenko
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Sol88: Repeated idiocy of citing a mainstream comets are ices and dust paper
4 September 2017 Sol88: Repeated idiocy of citing a mainstream comets are ices and dust paper, making deluded comments and a lie.
For example his current delusion that dust grains must have the same density as the bulk of a comet (ices + dust). He lies about the empirical evidence that has for the last 70 years and still shows that comet nuclei are "icy dusty conglomerates". |
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Sol88: Repeats the 'ice' lie. in an insanely ignorant question
4 September 2017 Sol88: Repeats the 'ice' lie in an insanely ignorant and irrelevant question.
Insanely ignorant because over the last 8 years we have cited the many observsions that comets have ices, e.g. the ejecta from Deep Impact (5 million kilograms (11 million pounds) of water). Irrelevant because this is a thread abut his comet delusions that he is still unable to support after 8 years. Posters here have been kind enough to try to educate him about the real world of comets but it has become clear that he is too deep into the delusional pit of Thunderbolts dogma to ever emerge again. So all we get now are lying posts about mainstream ices and dust comets and irrelevant time wasting questions that I for one will not answer. |
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Sol88: Repeated idiocy of citing a mainstream comets are ices and dust paper
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Sol88: An irrelevant but correct comment about a quote on mainstream comets
4 September 2017 Sol88: An irrelevant but correct comment about stratified materials for comets made of ices and dust.
Needs an exclamation mark after so many deluded or lying posts ! The mechanisms creating stratification in comet nuclei made of ices and dust should be and are being considered in the real world of science. |
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An obvious 'ice' lie that you have been repeating for years is just one reason that there is no point in trying to lift you out of the pit of dogma you have dug yourself into.
4 September 2017 Sol88: Repeats the 'ice' lie in an insanely ignorant and irrelevant question. There is also the current idiocy of citing mainstream papers: 4 September 2017 Sol88: The idiocy again of citing mainstream comets are not rocks science! If you want to show that you can pull yourself out of that pit then all you have to do is show that I am wrong with: 4 September 2017 Sol88: 8 years of denial of basic arithmetic (0.6 g/cc < 3.0 g/cc). by not denying the measured density of comets. Or show how the several methods of doing those measurements are all wrong and give the correct densities from your theory. |
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