Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

Bjarne said:

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.
Albert Einstein.

Einstein’s mistake was not to follow his own advice. he tried so far i can understand only by mathematical eqautions to unite these 2 forces to one

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That is an especially idiotic remark.
The full quote is: WikiQuotes

I believe in intuition and inspiration. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution. It is, strictly speaking, a real factor in scientific research.

• Cosmic Religion : With Other Opinions and Aphorisms (1931) by Albert Einstein, p. 97; also in Transformation : Arts, Communication, Environment (1950) by Harry Holtzman, p. 138

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The quote has nothing to do with the use of mathematics. Mathematics is the language of science. It is about scientific research. The quote says that it is important to use imagination as well as knowledge in scientific research.

It would be idiotic to constuct a TOE using imagaination.
My guess is you will use imagaination and your "equation" will be "there are cows throwing pixie dust thus gravity and the strong force are united"

My guess is you will use imagaination and your "equation" will be "there are cows throwing pixie dust thus gravity and the strong force are united"

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Ahhh not quite
Any better attempt ?
Remember you must also tell me how you believe it can be possible.

It would be idiotic to constuct a TOE using imagaination.

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It would not be there witthout imagination. I can see (as expected) you really have a problem here.

Bjarne said:

Ahhh not quite
Any better attempt ?
Remember you must also tell me how you believe it can be possible.

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No - I never agreed to tell you how "it is possible".
There are serveral published theories. Don't be lazy, Bjarne - look them up.

You are the one with the equation so Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

Or are you lying?

Bjarne said:

It would not be there witthout imagination. I can see (as expected) you really have a problem here.

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You are right: It would be idiotic to constuct a TOE just using imagaination. You need mathematics as well. You need knowledge as well.

You have real problems since you claim that you have an equation that unites gravity and the strong force. But you are ignorant of the basics of mathematics and physics:
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !

Also see The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads or (original full list to which more points have been linked)

And you seem to be lying in any case otherwise you could answer: Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

Reality Check said:

You are right: It would be idiotic to constuct a TOE just using imagaination. You need mathematics as well. You need knowledge as well.

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To understand nature imagination is the most important factor. Mathematics only coforms it.

You have real problems since you claim that you have an equation that unites gravity and the strong force. But you are ignorant of the basics of mathematics and physics:
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !

Also see The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads or (original full list to which more points have been linked)

And you seem to be lying in any case otherwise you could answer: Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

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I have ask you first to answer some basic questions to check if you at all are minded to understand the math I want to show you.

Now when you have begun to get you head out of the bush, and hopefully understand that we are discussion the cause of ; the curvature of space, and how that can be united with the strong force, I will repat the question and hope to get better "out of the bush" replies.

1. I believe you are agreeing gravity is a force and also that matter somehow exerts a force on space so that it curves?
2. Do you have any idea or suggestion at all; how matter, - (which process in creation of matter) possible (also) is able to exerts a force on Space ?
3. Do you have any idea or suggestion to what a gravitational wave really is; “made of”?
4. Do you believe that it requires force (and energy) to deform / curve space in the same way as gravity does it.
5. Do you believe that a gravity wave must be release of energy? – Release of that energy/force responsible for deforming space?
6. Where do you believe that energy/force comes from?

Please answer the questions using simple farmer words and not used such empty expression and explanation like for example ; A gravitational wave is fluctuation between the muuuuuhh and møøøhhhh, but just keep it simple WHAT is a gravitational wave etc……etc….etc….

And as I wrote math is ONLY to confirm that what you have imaging is correct.

I am asking you; WHAT do you imaging a gravitational wave realy is ?

At the same time; WHAT do you imaging the curvature os space really is ?

I mean it is not enough just to write; "quantum chromodynamics Lagrangian" and then believe that you or anyone else KNOW what you are blab blab about, - or that this answer the question.

Do you belive anyone really know what a gravitioanl wave is ?
And if so, why are all the billion USD procects to detect such then failed?

"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother." - Albert Einstein ..

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And here is mine

"You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your Mother Cow." - Bjarne..

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Please keep that in mind next time attempting answering the questions. .

Are you lying about your equation uniting gravity and the string force,Bjarne

Bjarne said:

To understand nature imagination is the most important factor. Mathematics only coforms it.

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Wrong: To understand nature, measurements are the most important factor. Mathematics is then used to model nature. The scientific process then refines (and throws away) these models by requiring them to match nature and produce testable, falsifiable predictions.
The Einstein quote
The full quote is: WikiQuotes

I believe in intuition and inspiration. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution. It is, strictly speaking, a real factor in scientific research.

• Cosmic Religion : With Other Opinions and Aphorisms (1931) by Albert Einstein, p. 97; also in Transformation : Arts, Communication, Environment (1950) by Harry Holtzman, p. 138

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is about scientific research where he says that imagination is more inportant than knowledge.

Bjarne said:

I will repat the question and hope to get better "out of the bush" replies.

1. ...

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Since you are a simple farmer, read the links.
1. You are wrong. Your cow will understand this:
Matter curves spacetime. Objects that do not have an external force acting on them and are moving in a curved spacetime follow a "straight" line (technically a geodesic). To an observer this line is curved. But Newton's laws means that a force is acting on the object. We call that force gravity.

2. Gibberish. Your cow would not write such gibberish.

3. Gravitational wave

In physics, a gravitational wave is a fluctuation in the curvature of spacetime which propagates as a wave, traveling outward from the source

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Your cow will understand this.

4. That what General Relativity says: mass and energy curves space time. Your cow will understand this

5. Gravitational wave Your cow can read and will understand this article.

6. Many energetic sources should emit gravitational waves, e.g. LIGO is looking for "Measurable emissions of gravitational waves are expected from binary systems (collisions and coalescences of neutron stars or black holes), supernova of massive stars (which form neutron stars and black holes), accreting neutron stars, rotations of neutron stars with deformed crusts, and the remnants of gravitational radiation created by the birth of the universe."
Your cow can read and will understand this list.

Bjarne said:

Do you belive anyone really know what a gravitioanl wave is ?
And if so, why are all the billion USD procects to detect such then failed?

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I know that anyone who takes the time to study science knows what a Gravitational wave is.
The gravitational wave detectors have not failed yet. They depend on fairly rare events to generate strong enough gravitational waves that they can detect. It turns out that that no such events fell within the detector sensitivities so far.

P.S. Nice article on Cosmic Variance about how LIGO tests the detector (and keeps their researchers honest) by injecting false signal into the data.

So show us your farmer mathematics, Bjarne, or admit that you are lying about the equation: Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

Bjarne said:

To do this you need first to know how matter is created:

As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. Snipped…
Max Planck

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What is the possible cause, - not of motion due to gravity, BUT of the cause of gravity, which means; what is the possible cause of the curvature of space.

To be able to connect that cause, you MUST connect the cause of “curvature of space” – to what Max Planck just told.

If you do not have any idea at all but ONLY try to solve this mathematical you must be extremely lucky to hit reality, simply because your imagination would be completely blind and can’t guide you.. ( I am doubting if it ever had). ..

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.
Albert Einstein.

Einstein’s mistake was not to follow his own advice. he tried so far i can understand only by mathematical eqautions to unite these 2 forces to one.

So here are the advise and the points, - now you try to unite the cause of gravity (curvature of sapce) and the cause of the strong force, to one and the same process / force.

Let me push you gentle, - the cause of the strong force is caused by to the interaction (push/pull teamwork) between particles.

If you prefer the words from a master instead, go ahead>:
All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.

I think you have all you need now to do the unification; all you need is imagination, there is nothing more as I can do as show mathematical how to unite this two forces to one, but you must try to suggest some possible solution first first, - yourself.

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You can't even quote things correctly. Here's the full quote, with editorial bolding added by me:

As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.
Max Planck, Das Wesen der Materie [The Nature of Matter], speech at Florence, Italy (1944) (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797)

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Found at http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Max_Planck, eighth quote down.

Your cow will understand this

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muuhh muhhh
This is all empty words without any connection what space really does.
I mean you have never observer "curved" spaced, you cannot see it or feel that this is what space does, you even can't even imaging what curved sapce really is.
And that's a fact.

When it comes to gravitional waves you have not used one single word to describe it. Try it, - and you will understand allready here you have a big problem.

Grand mother don't know what fluctation means.

It turns out that that no such events fell within the detector sensitivities so far.

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Nothing but Bla bla bla, it will never be detected.

Are you lying about your equation uniting gravity and the string force,Bjarne

Bjarne said:

muuhh muhhh
This is all empty words without any connection what space really does.

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If you are dumber than you Mother Cow (who I am sure can read and and understand what I wrote) then that is your problem not mine .

So let see if I am dumber than your Mother Cow :
Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

Don't worry about my understanding the mathematics. I know much more mathematics than a someone who is ignorant enough to think that:
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !

For example: 1 + 1 in base 10 = 2
Or how to do a contour intergration, the complex digamma function (and how to compute it efficiently using an asymptotic function) and the rest of the mathematics in my thesis.

Spacetime. Not space. Spacetime.

Edit: Space-time and space time are acceptable as well.

Bjarne said:

This is all empty words without any connection what space really does.

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Your failings in basic comprehension are not our fault.

I mean you have never observer "curved" spaced, you cannot see it or feel that this is what space does, you even can't even imaging what curved sapce really is.

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So in your world, it is necessary for you to personally observe something before you believe it exists?

And that's a fact.

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Practically nothing you say is a fact.

When it comes to gravitional waves you have not used one single word to describe it.

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Rewriting a standard definition purely for the sake of using different words is an entirely pointless exercise.

Try it, - and you will understand allready here you have a big problem

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The only problem is that you do not understand.

Grand mother don't know what fluctation means.

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Then she should use a dictionary. We are not dealing with physics for children here; long words might be used in a technical context and you may have to look up their meaning.

Bjarne said:

I mean you have never observer "curved" spaced, you cannot see it or feel that this is what space does, you even can't even imaging what curved sapce really is.

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Your imagaination as well as your math and physics skills must be missing.
It is very easy to imagine what curvred space is. For example look at the rubber sheet analogy.

It is very easy to "imaging what curved sapce really is" - it is pixies holding hands, it is unicorns dancing in space!, it is matter making space do the waltz!

Bjarne said:

When it comes to gravitional waves you have not used one single word to describe it. Try it, - and you will understand allready here you have a big problem.

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That is idiotic, Bjarne. Gravitational waves is two words. But it you want to be an idiot here is a single word to describe it
WWWWWWWWWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaVVVVVVVVVVVeeeeeeeeee

Bjarne said:

Grand mother don't know what fluctation means.

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Grand mother is dumber than a cow then .
Just for you Bjarne (and your grand mother): A fluctation is a regular change. Like the tides or ocean waves or light or graviotational waves.

Think of ripples in the rubber sheet analogy for curved spacetime.

Bjarne said:

Nothing but Bla bla bla, it will never be detected.

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Nothing but assertion from state of ignorance, bla bla bla, gravitational waves may be detected.

Excuse me, why do we keep feeding this idiot?

Come on, let's press ignore and let him fester in his own imaginary universe.

Hans

I do not see it as feeding the idiot. I see it as feeding the dancing bear to see more of its amusing antics.

There is also the benefit of permanently recording the various bits of ignorance and delusions that he spouts for the world to read.

Ignoring him is an option but there may be people out there that could take him seriously.

A final benefit is that his ignorance actually means that a few of his questions leads to some information that I did not know.
For example his idea in another thread that the Earth's magnetic field is caused by ferromagnetic material in the crust meant that I found that this was shown to be wrong by Gauss in 1838:

Reality Check said:

Gauss, J. C. F., Allgemeine Theorie des Erdmagnetismus: Resultate aus den Beobachtungen des magnetischen Vereins in Jahre 1838. 1838, Leipzig. 73. ("General Theory of Terrestrial Magnetism: Results from the observations of the magnetic Association in 1838").

I will emphasis this: Science has known for 172 years that the poles of the magnet that generates the Earth's magnetic field are ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.

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Posted on 9th February 2010 and Bjarne still persists in his delusion!

So in your world, it is necessary for you to personally observe something before you believe it exists?

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It is important that it is possible to be able to imaging before you at all can know WHAT you really believe.

1. If you can imagine what curved space is, then tell us about it ???
2. And try now to tell me what curved space is made of, do you think?
3. And what is a gravitational wave made of, do you think?

It is very easy to imagine what curved space is. For example look at the rubber sheet analogy

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Finally again the head a bit out of the bush, I am happy to hear that.
It seems that RC now agree that curvature of is space is; "a stretching property of space” , - towards a body. (like the rubber sheet is stretching towards a body)
Good RC..
Shall we call that property; - a stretching property of the space density?
The same property known from the expanding Universe?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaVVVVVVVVVVVeeeeeeeeee

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Really Good RC
And what is that Wave made of ?

fluctation is a regular change. Like the tides or ocean waves or light or graviotational waves

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Really Good RC
And WHAT is changing?
Do you mean; the elastic density of space you already know exist due to the Bigbang?

Or in other words;
Do you mean that we can use the picture of the rubber sheet, - hence a gravity wave means the tension in the rubber sheet is released, - hence the rubber pulls back to a state without tension ? - Is that what you mean a gravity wave is?

If it is a wave where did it come from, - it must be lacking somewhere right - WHERE ?

So the rubber sheet is similar to the; stretching space, - that stretching space can be released and this is a gravity wave.
I believe this is what you are saying . .

So is it really necessary to invent more stretching properties of space other than this property you already know exist - due to the expanding universe (stretching space) ?
Or WHAT property of space is changing, do you think?

Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
Albert Einstein


The good thing with cows is that they do never made things more complicated as things are.
This is why cows never create unnecessary mysteries and later denies they self have created them, and then is unable to solve these, - and it get worse when first orthodox concrete creeds takes over..
Only Humans are that stupid...

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.
Albert Einstein

Are you lying about your equation uniting gravity and the string force,Bjarne

Bjarne said:

It seems that RC now agree that curvature of is space is; "a stretching property of space” , - towards a body. (like the rubber sheet is stretching towards a body)

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You are wrong as usual.
It is an analogy. The curving of spacetime is like the curving of a rubber sheet.

Bjarne said:

Really Good RC
And what is that Wave made of ?

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Fluctuations in spacetime

Bjarne said:

Really Good RC
And WHAT is changing?

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Spacetime

Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

Don't worry about my understanding the mathematics. I know much more mathematics than a someone who is ignorant enough to think that:
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !

I will emphasis this: Science has known for 172 years that the poles of the magnet that generates the Earth's magnetic field are ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.

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Haleluja Haaaaaaleeeee luuuu jaaaaaa

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Are you lying about your equation uniting gravity and the string force,Bjarne

Bjarne said:

Haleluja Haaaaaaleeeee luuuu jaaaaaa

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Gibberish, delusion and ignorance: First fatal flaw in Bjarne's idea (MF = ferro magnetism + solar wind

The basics are really easy.

1. Measure the direction in which Earth's magnetic field points at various places around the world.
2. That gives you magnetic field lines that you can trace to position of the origin of the magnetic field.
3. Note that that position is ~5000 kilometers below the surface of the Earth.

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