Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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More trouble for the mainstream...

Dwarf planet Ceres looks like an asteroid but acts like a comet
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That makes Ceres the first large body in the asteroid belt to show such comet-like activity, blurring the line between comet and asteroid.
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Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune probably moved a lot in the solar system’s early days, which could have sent objects like Ceres hurtling closer to the sun, says Chris Russell, Dawn’s principal investigator
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Ummm...Velikovsky anyone?? He arrived at a body of radical inter-disciplinary ideas, which might be summarised as
The causes of these natural catastrophes were close encounters between the Earth and other bodies within the solar system — not least what are now the planets Saturn, Jupiter, Venus, and Mars, these bodies having moved upon different orbits within human memory.
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Sol88 said:
More trouble for the mainstream...
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More delusions from the Thunderbolts cult, Sol88, with that quote?
Coupled with the idiocy of citing Velikovsky, though it is nice that you have revealed yourself to be deluded enough to be a follower of Velikovsky :eek:!

Sol88, Ceres is behaving as the mainstream expects so this is not trouble.
Dwarf planet Ceres looks like an asteroid but acts like a comet
IT’S an invader. Shiny spots and minerals on the surface of Ceres suggest that the asteroid belt’s largest object may have been born in the outer solar system, far from its current abode. This also hints that our current classification of comets, asteroids and planets is too simplistic.

At 950 kilometres across, Ceres is considered a dwarf planet like Pluto, despite orbiting in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. When NASA’s Dawn spacecraft arrived at Ceres in March, it saw that most of the dwarf is as dark as fresh asphalt, but that there are lighter spots in craters, which range from the brightness of concrete to that of ocean ice.

New measurements suggest that the bright regions are mostly made of icy salt deposits, says Andreas Nathues, lead investigator for Dawn’s camera team at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Munich, Germany.

A large crater called Occator has an especially bright pit, which probably contains water ice that vaporises as Ceres rotates into sunlight. The vapour produces haze clouds that appear and disappear during Ceres’s 9-hour day.

That makes Ceres the first large body in the asteroid belt to show such comet-like activity, blurring the line between comet and asteroid.
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This is the mainstream behavior of sublimating ices :jaw-dropp!
 
List of 86 items of ignorance, lies and delusions from Sol88

List of 72 items of ignorance, lies and delusions from Sol88
  1. 27 November 2015 Sol88: The delusion that observations that he wants will be made, e.g. a "video/time lapse" of active regions.
  2. 27 November 2015 Sol88: Another example of your inability to understand science or even English!
  3. 27 November 2015 Sol88: Yet another abysmal lack of reading comprehension!
  4. 27 November 2015 Sol88: The delusion that Earth's magnetotail is a comet jet with "entrained" dust.
  5. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Repeats his delusion about comets being the Moon!
  6. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Mindlessly parrots the deluded neo-Velikovsky electric universe woo.
  7. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Lies about a paper - the only mention of comets is as a source of lunar water and other volatiles through impacts.
  8. 8 December 2015 Sol88: An insult as a response to Lukraak_Sisser pointing out the obvious fact that a cited paper is not about Sol88's EU delusion.
  9. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Paranoia about Rosetta scientists "dragging their feet".
  10. 8 December 2015 Sol88: An inane demand that scientists produce specific images.
  11. 8 December 2015 Sol88: A delusion of thinking that a ".gif loop of an active jet" will show that the jet is not produced by sublimating ices!
  12. 8 December 2015 Sol88: the insanely ignorant delusion that gravity is magnetism!
  13. 8 December 2015 Sol88: A lie about the electric universe being about plasma - EU is deluded neo-Velikovsky fairly stories being extended to bigger scales.
  14. 22 December 2015 Sol88: Emphasizes that he is a follower of the Thunderbolts cult with its neo-Velikovsky delusions.
162 days and counting of fear of physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.
 
Reality Check said:
More delusions from the Thunderbolts cult, Sol88, with that quote?
Coupled with the idiocy of citing Velikovsky, though it is nice that you have revealed yourself to be deluded enough to be a follower of Velikovsky :eek:!

Sol88, Ceres is behaving as the mainstream expects so this is not trouble.
Dwarf planet Ceres looks like an asteroid but acts like a comet

This is the mainstream behavior of sublimating ices :jaw-dropp!
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That's quaint, never really followed Vellkkovsky but maybe I should now the mainstream are following suit😦
 
Reality Check said:
List of 72 items of ignorance, lies and delusions from Sol88
  1. 27 November 2015 Sol88: The delusion that observations that he wants will be made, e.g. a "video/time lapse" of active regions.
  2. 27 November 2015 Sol88: Another example of your inability to understand science or even English!
  3. 27 November 2015 Sol88: Yet another abysmal lack of reading comprehension!
  4. 27 November 2015 Sol88: The delusion that Earth's magnetotail is a comet jet with "entrained" dust.
  5. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Repeats his delusion about comets being the Moon!
  6. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Mindlessly parrots the deluded neo-Velikovsky electric universe woo.
  7. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Lies about a paper - the only mention of comets is as a source of lunar water and other volatiles through impacts.
  8. 8 December 2015 Sol88: An insult as a response to Lukraak_Sisser pointing out the obvious fact that a cited paper is not about Sol88's EU delusion.
  9. 8 December 2015 Sol88: Paranoia about Rosetta scientists "dragging their feet".
  10. 8 December 2015 Sol88: An inane demand that scientists produce specific images.
  11. 8 December 2015 Sol88: A delusion of thinking that a ".gif loop of an active jet" will show that the jet is not produced by sublimating ices!
  12. 8 December 2015 Sol88: the insanely ignorant delusion that gravity is magnetism!
  13. 8 December 2015 Sol88: A lie about the electric universe being about plasma - EU is deluded neo-Velikovsky fairly stories being extended to bigger scales.
  14. 22 December 2015 Sol88: Emphasizes that he is a follower of the Thunderbolts cult with its neo-Velikovsky delusions.
162 days and counting of fear of physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.
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Indeed, they have produced the .gif and lo and behold jets on the terminator! Problem is there is no ice for sublimation :rolleyes:
 
Sol88 said:
That's quaint, never really followed Vellkkovsky but maybe I should now the mainstream are following suit😦
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I think you do have that wrong.

Mainstream astronomy has accepted for decades that the planets can and have moved around in their orbits and that the majority of this movement happened relatively quickly at the start of the formation of the solar system. Where quickly means something that takes millions of years.

It's Veliskovsky's delusion that quickly means something that happens in timescales observable by humans and that this happened within the last 10000 years or so.

The mainstream model has mechanisms that are testable in simulations and a well understood source of the movement.
The Veliskovsky delusion has none of that AND it lacks a credible mechanism to prevent planets from disintegrating under the forces needed for his 'theory' to work.
 
Sol88 said:
Indeed, they have produced the .gif and lo and behold jets on the terminator! Problem is there is no ice for sublimation :rolleyes:
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Problem is that is several lies in one post, Sol88 :jaw-dropp.
  1. This is the electric comet thread and you are abysmally failing to produce evidence to support that delusion. This gif is not that evidence :eek:.
  2. Jets on the terminator are expected in the real world for anyone who knows about the real world (not you Sol88 :p!).
  3. The repeated lie that there is no ices on comets made of ices and dust.
A list of 86 items of ignorance, lies and delusions from Sol88
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
I think you do have that wrong.

Mainstream astronomy has accepted for decades that the planets can and have moved around in their orbits and that the majority of this movement happened relatively quickly at the start of the formation of the solar system. Where quickly means something that takes millions of years.

It's Veliskovsky's delusion that quickly means something that happens in timescales observable by humans and that this happened within the last 10000 years or so.

The mainstream model has mechanisms that are testable in simulations and a well understood source of the movement.
The Veliskovsky delusion has none of that AND it lacks a credible mechanism to prevent planets from disintegrating under the forces needed for his 'theory' to work.
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Yeah planetary formation theory got turned on it's head with the Pluto system calling into question the whole shebang including comets/asteroids/dwarf planets!

Seems the mainstream mob have to redifine the definitons for all solar system objects.

Is Ceres a comet or and asteroid? Eceladeus?
 
Sol88 said:
Yeah planetary formation theory got turned on it's head with the Pluto system calling into question the whole shebang including comets/asteroids/dwarf planets!
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Yeah that is total ignorance and delusion as usual , Sol88.
A list of 86 items of ignorance, lies and delusions from Sol88
The model of planetary formation was not affected by a scientific body finally deciding to define what a planet is :jaw-dropp!

You are a follower of the Thunderbolts cult so obviously do not know anything about astronomy. So:
Ceres is a dwarf planet.
Eceladeus does not exist.
Enceladus is a moon..
 
tusenfem said:
that "talk" would be very quiet as i had a poster
the paper will be published in january
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If you won't talk about Rosetta data on electric comet 67P others will ;)

Rosetta data of comet 67P shown to confirm a voltage driven chemical reaction.

Evidence for Electrical Comet Activity | Space News
In recent years, Dr. Franklin Anariba, a specialist in electrochemistry at Singapore Universe of Technology and Design, has investigated the evidence for electrochemical reactions on comets. In this video compilation of 5 recent interviews, Dr. Anariba analyzes the latest papers from the Rosetta mission, which provide stunning, direct evidence for electrical comet activity, evidence which may prove to be a game-changer in comet science.
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Haig: Parroting of Thunderbolt cult lies, etc. in this thread

The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).
  1. 10th November 2010 Tim Thompson: Pointed out that Haig repeated a lie a lie about a flash before The Deep Impact impact. No sign that Haig understands that he was lied to in the following 5 years :eek:!
  2. 9th February 2015 Haig: the delusion that David Talbott's 2005 fantasies, ignorance and lies about comets is science!
  3. 9th February 2015 Haig: Debunks EC by lining it to a neo-Velikovskian delusion and denial of actual science electric sun and universe).
  4. 18th February 2015 Haig: Thunderbolts ignorance, delusions and lies in 67P's Mysterious Water Production video
  5. 18th February 2015 Haig: Lying about a citation which has nothing to do with the electric comet delusion!
  6. 25th February 2015 Haig: Still believes in the Thunderbolts ignorance, delusions and lies
  7. 16th March 2015 Haig: Three examples of standard comet behavior and the delusion that they are due to unspecified "electric activity"
  8. 10th April 2015 Haig: Here we have an electrochemist (Franklin Anariba) rather incoherently talking about comets at a conference held by the deluded Thunderbolts crowd.
  9. 10th April 2015 Haig: EU2015 will be yet another collection of mostly cranks
  10. 28th May 2015 Haig: The delusions and lies of Dr. Donald E. Scott in his Birkeland current paper
  11. 2 June 2015 Haig: The plasmacosmology.net ignorance, delusions and lies about EDM
  12. 4th June 2015 Haig: The basic idiocy of the Safire Project
  13. 4 June 2015 Haig: Where are the cited laboratory experiments that create the same species of ions as seen in comets with electrical discharges on rocks? (deafening silence!)
  14. 4 June 2015 Haig: Parroting Wal Thornhill lies about the Deep Impact mission - again!.
  15. 4 June 2015 Haig: This paper is the scientific discovery that electrons a kilometer from the surface of the nucleus are breaking up water and CO molecules that have sublimated from the nucleus ices :eye-poppi!
  16. 5 June 2015 Haig: The Electric Comet hypothesis starts with comets being blasted from the surface of rocky planets such as the Earth in recent history. That requires them to be rock as the links and videos make that perfectly clear
  17. 9 June 2015 Haig: Is it you or Thunderbolts that are lying about the Sun? (the answer looks like both)
  18. 10 June 2015 Haig: Is that a lie about Alfvén showing that flares and CME are not caused by magnetic reconnection? (the answer is yes!)
  19. 12 June 2015 Sol88 [or Haig]: Is Velikovsky's Venus explaining Joshua 10:13 a delusion or mainstream physics?
  20. 11th August 2015 Haig: The lies and delusions in your 'Rosetta for a Water Universe' citation
  21. 14th August 2015 Haig is a believer of Velikovsky's delusion that planets zoomed around the Solar System to explain various myths in recent times
  22. 24 August 2015 Haig: do you want to try the basic physics that Sol88 cannot do (calculate the size of the Deep Impact crater on a rock)?
  23. 17th November 2015 Haig: Cites the deluded Dr. Franklin Anariba (a EU 2013 speaker)
  24. 23rd November 2015 Haig: Six delusions about comets and a lie about Birkeland currents
  25. 30th November 2015 Haig: Links to more delusions and lies from Wal Thornhill in a video
  26. 30th November 2015 Haig: Cites another lying Thunderbolts cult member Michael Gmirkin
  27. 30th November 2015 Haig: Jets and the solar wind does not support your delusion that comets are rocks
 
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Haig said:
If you won't talk about Rosetta data on electric comet 67P others will ;)

Rosetta data of comet 67P shown to confirm a voltage driven chemical reaction.
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Shame for the EU crowd that we have, still, zero evidence for any of their delusions, eh?
Ever heard of the principle of parsimony? Also known as Occam's razor? It means, in this case, that we have irrefutable evidence of ice on and beneath the surface of comets. It means the H2O and CO2 vapour (among others) seen in the cometary coma has been explained. We don't need the idiotic rantings of EU proponents to explain anything. Thornhill was (as recently as 2010) arguing that the H2O seen in the coma was actually OH! This should give you a clue to just how scientifically inept the Thunderdolts proponents actually are. The first unambiguous detection of H2O on a comet occurred in 1986.
Perhaps you could explain how somebody could actually be that scientifically inept, yet still be believed by people? Are his followers equally scientifically inept? Or don't they do science? Just cults, mythology and religion?

While you're at it, please explain why all this woo doesn't happen to asteroids, including those on eccentric orbits. Would it be due to the fact that that they are composed mainly of rock, and comets aren't?
 
Haig said:
If you won't talk about Rosetta data on electric comet 67P others will ;)

Rosetta data of comet 67P shown to confirm a voltage driven chemical reaction.

Evidence for Electrical Comet Activity | Space News
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of course he can only do that in a boobtoop vid
maybe he should write a paper and submit it to a real journal?

and i will talk all you want about plasma physics at the comet, my paper will be out probably next week, after our secretary paid the publication charges

ETA: wow look at all the cometary paper anuriba published!!
 
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tusenfem said:
of course he can only do that in a boobtoop vid
maybe he should write a paper and submit it to a real journal?
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Maybe he will ... in due coarse :p

wow look at all the cometary paper anuriba published!!
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Who better, but a specialist in electrochemistry, to confirm a voltage driven chemical reaction!

Yes, the latest papers from the Rosetta mission, which provide stunning, direct evidence for electrical comet activity :D

The Electric Comet (Full Documentary)
 
Haig said:
Who better, but a specialist in electrochemistry, to confirm a voltage driven chemical reaction!
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Interviews of an electrochemist hosted by the Thunderbolts cult cannot confirm anything except their belief in the delusions of that cult, Haig :jaw-dropp!
Dr. Franklin Anariba is dumb enough to allow the cult to report his "analysis" rather than publishing his analysis. This is because he has no such analysis, just opinion and fantasies :eek:!
ETA: Wow - look at all the electrochemistry in plasma (as in cometary coma) that Dr. Franklin Anariba has published :p!
Wow - look at the many years of space physics that Franklin Anariba has studied - none!

Repeating a lie even with a :D does not make it the truth.
A Thunderbolts cultist parroting the ignorance, delusions and lies of the Thunderbolts cult for 6 years does not make their delusions such as comets are rocks, facts.
The parroting of the Thunderbolt cult ignorance, delusions and lies in this thread alone (continuation of a thread that is now 6 years of delusions from Sol88 and Haig!).

ETA: Evidence for Electrical Comet Activity | Space News
  • Starts with lying about "countless" observations, etc. raising doubts about the validity of comets being ices and dust. Every observation of comets has confirmed that they are made largely of ices with dust.
  • 3:39: Dr. Franklin Anariba states that he is not refuting the standard model but "interpreting" data thru electrochemistry. This is bad science - the data tells you the interpretation, not the other way around.
  • 4:08: The cult influence shows with "if comets were to contain large amounts of volatile ices". The science is that comets do contain large amounts of volatile ices!
  • 4:30: The woo really starts with the delusion that water production on icy comets can be explained by proton implantation as on the rocky Moon.
  • 5:04: Fantasy about a voltage difference between comets and a "surrounding plasma tube of the Sun"!
  • 5:24: The delusion that the amount of H2O in 67P's coma cannot be explained by what water ices he imagines to have been detected.
    There is not a lot of water ice that have been detected on the surface because the surface is largely covered in dust. The subsurface composition has more water ice.
  • 5:36: Molecular oxygen was first detected at 67P.
    The credible origin is from the comet formation. Anariba has a fantasy of electrochemical production.
 
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