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TESTIMONY of MOLTEN STEEL
All the testimony can be found in the following links:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091901astanehfinds
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-was-there-molten-metal-under.html
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AE911Truth-NIST-Written-Submission12-18-07.pdf
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html
http://8real.proboards104.com/index.cgi?board=buildings&action=print&thread=2
http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/molten-steel-found-at-ground-zero-weeks-after-911/
1. Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, “21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running”
2. Alison Geyh, who heads a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reports: “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”
3. Ron Burger, a public health advisor who arrives at Ground Zero on September 12, says that “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminds him of a volcano.
4. According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6: “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.”
5. New York firefighters recall “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.”
6. As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.”
7. But Dr. Frank Gayle, who leads the steel forensics aspects of NIST’s investigation of the WTC collapses, is quoted as saying: “Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that’s what melted the steel. Indeed it didn’t, the steel did not melt.”
8 A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a "foundry" or like "lava".
9. An employee of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed "Fires burning and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet."
10. The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."
11. A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero "descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams."
12. An Occupational Safety and Health Administration Officer at the Trade Center reported a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, "its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel."
13. Greg Fuchek A witness said “In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel”
14. The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks
15. A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said "for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal - everything from molten steel beams to human remains...."
16. An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, "A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures". Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 or in rubble pile were (arguably) subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them.
17. Mark loiseaux president of controlled demoltion, Inc. Who was hired for building 7 clean up, said that “molten steel was found at WTC 7”
18. Bart voorsanger, an archetect hired to save “relics from the rubble” stated about the mult ton “meteorite” that it was a “fused element of molten steel and concrete”
19. Sarah Atlas “nobodies going to be alive. Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins”
20. The president of Tully Construction of Flushing, NY, said he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at Ground Zero.
21. Richard Riggs on the history channel “the fires got very intense down there and actually melted beams where it was molten steel being dug up”
Video footage of testimony
#8 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3060923273573302287&q
#21 http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI&NR=1
RELICS FROM THE RUBBLE
1)The meteorite http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2w7fSG8&feature=related http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=swH1WaIMkNc&feature=related
2) FEMA metalurgical examination sample 1 and NIST’s sample K-16 photos (p312 and 317). Both FEMA smaple 1 and NIST sample K-16 are in fact the same steel sample.
Relics from the rubble prove that temperatures were suffucient to melt. There is dispute over wheter K-16 was evaporated by exposure to high temperatures over a long period of time or a short period of time and whether this evaporation occured during or after the collapse. But there can be no dispute over the meteorite since steel must first melt in order to fuse with another element or material.
THERMAL IMAGES
I came across this post #443 by Dr.Greening (Apollo20) here He provides the following quotation from the following source: Spadafora, R. “Firefighter and safety and health issues at the World Trade Center Site.” American Journal of Industrial Medicine, 42, no.6 (2002): p532
"Fires burned beneath the rubble for the first 4 months of the operation. Helicopters using thermal imaging cameras revealed underground temperatures ranging from 400 to more than 2,800 deg F." [2800F = 1537c and steel melts at 1500c]
Unfortunately there are no thermal footage to accompany this quotation but I am sure its out there and would be eager to see it. It would also be nice to know when the thermal footage was recorded. In any case, such temperatures further confirm that conditions in the rubble pile were consistent with melting steel observed by numerous individuals. I am assuming that surface temperatures of 1537c would mean that temperatures below were even greater.
It should also be noted that although thermal images from USGS did not show such temperatures, molten steel was still found under the somewhat cooler temperature ratings by USGS nonetheless.
All the testimony can be found in the following links:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091901astanehfinds
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-was-there-molten-metal-under.html
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AE911Truth-NIST-Written-Submission12-18-07.pdf
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html
http://8real.proboards104.com/index.cgi?board=buildings&action=print&thread=2
http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/molten-steel-found-at-ground-zero-weeks-after-911/
1. Leslie Robertson, one of the structural engineers responsible for the design of the WTC, “21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running”
2. Alison Geyh, who heads a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reports: “Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.”
3. Ron Burger, a public health advisor who arrives at Ground Zero on September 12, says that “feeling the heat” and “seeing the molten steel” there reminds him of a volcano.
4. According to a member of New York Air National Guard’s 109th Air Wing, who is at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6: “One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers’ remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots.”
5. New York firefighters recall “heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel.”
6. As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.”
7. But Dr. Frank Gayle, who leads the steel forensics aspects of NIST’s investigation of the WTC collapses, is quoted as saying: “Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that’s what melted the steel. Indeed it didn’t, the steel did not melt.”
8 A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a "foundry" or like "lava".
9. An employee of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed "Fires burning and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet."
10. The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."
11. A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero "descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams."
12. An Occupational Safety and Health Administration Officer at the Trade Center reported a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, "its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel."
13. Greg Fuchek A witness said “In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel”
14. The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks
15. A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said "for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal - everything from molten steel beams to human remains...."
16. An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, "A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures". Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 or in rubble pile were (arguably) subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them.
17. Mark loiseaux president of controlled demoltion, Inc. Who was hired for building 7 clean up, said that “molten steel was found at WTC 7”
18. Bart voorsanger, an archetect hired to save “relics from the rubble” stated about the mult ton “meteorite” that it was a “fused element of molten steel and concrete”
19. Sarah Atlas “nobodies going to be alive. Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins”
20. The president of Tully Construction of Flushing, NY, said he saw pools of "literally molten steel" at Ground Zero.
21. Richard Riggs on the history channel “the fires got very intense down there and actually melted beams where it was molten steel being dug up”
Video footage of testimony
#8 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3060923273573302287&q
#21 http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI&NR=1
RELICS FROM THE RUBBLE
1)The meteorite http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=xbMu2w7fSG8&feature=related http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=swH1WaIMkNc&feature=related
2) FEMA metalurgical examination sample 1 and NIST’s sample K-16 photos (p312 and 317). Both FEMA smaple 1 and NIST sample K-16 are in fact the same steel sample.
Relics from the rubble prove that temperatures were suffucient to melt. There is dispute over wheter K-16 was evaporated by exposure to high temperatures over a long period of time or a short period of time and whether this evaporation occured during or after the collapse. But there can be no dispute over the meteorite since steel must first melt in order to fuse with another element or material.
THERMAL IMAGES
I came across this post #443 by Dr.Greening (Apollo20) here He provides the following quotation from the following source: Spadafora, R. “Firefighter and safety and health issues at the World Trade Center Site.” American Journal of Industrial Medicine, 42, no.6 (2002): p532
"Fires burned beneath the rubble for the first 4 months of the operation. Helicopters using thermal imaging cameras revealed underground temperatures ranging from 400 to more than 2,800 deg F." [2800F = 1537c and steel melts at 1500c]
Unfortunately there are no thermal footage to accompany this quotation but I am sure its out there and would be eager to see it. It would also be nice to know when the thermal footage was recorded. In any case, such temperatures further confirm that conditions in the rubble pile were consistent with melting steel observed by numerous individuals. I am assuming that surface temperatures of 1537c would mean that temperatures below were even greater.
It should also be noted that although thermal images from USGS did not show such temperatures, molten steel was still found under the somewhat cooler temperature ratings by USGS nonetheless.
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